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England given a 2nd Chance (28 Days Later related)

Posted: 2003-09-07 11:05pm
by Stravo
For those who saw the movie or even those that at least know the premise what do you think happens afterwards? Once the infected die of stravation and the island falls back into civilized hands what happens to England? The vast majority of its populace are dead, perhaps the leadership itself is dead or scattered. Would it be feasible or possible to restore England back to her place or would England revret to some sort of protectorate of the EU or the UN?

Would England simply be disolved as a nation?

You have a significant majority dead with the vast majority of survivors over seas and those that managed to be evacuated,

It comes down to what happens to a modern nation that loses most of its population and political clout? Is there any precedent for this?

Posted: 2003-09-07 11:09pm
by weemadando
I have the feeling the UK would be under strict quarantine for a decade or so while "cleaner teams" make sure that the virus is well and truly gone.

Not to mention the several more years of CDC, WHO and UN investigations to make sure its truly safe for habitation.

Hell, I can see a great use for it being an Escape from NY type prison island.

Posted: 2003-09-07 11:14pm
by Joe
How does the rest of the world fare after the end of the movie?

Posted: 2003-09-07 11:19pm
by zombie84
The US would step in with "clean up teams" and occupy it to help the shattered nation, slowly gaining control and eventually consuming it as another colony.

Posted: 2003-09-07 11:20pm
by Stormbringer
Durran Korr wrote:How does the rest of the world fare after the end of the movie?
Outbreaks in few places on the Continent and North America. Presumably contained as far as we can tell. It seems civilization as a whole survived.

Posted: 2003-09-07 11:21pm
by Stravo
zombie84 wrote:The US would step in with "clean up teams" and occupy it to help the shattered nation, slowly gaining control and eventually consuming it as another colony.
I think the EU would be opposed to such a move right on their doorstep. I could foresee a competition between the US and EU for rights to England with an English government in exile along for the ride.

Posted: 2003-09-07 11:25pm
by Stormbringer
Stravo wrote:
zombie84 wrote:The US would step in with "clean up teams" and occupy it to help the shattered nation, slowly gaining control and eventually consuming it as another colony.
I think the EU would be opposed to such a move right on their doorstep. I could foresee a competition between the US and EU for rights to England with an English government in exile along for the ride.
America would have to take some roll as I highly doubt an operation of that magnitude could be conducted solely out of European resources.

But I think the US colonizing England is ridiculous. What for? Especially after that! It just wouldn't happen.

Posted: 2003-09-07 11:31pm
by Sea Skimmer
A lot would depend on how long the infected can survive for. If they can live out a full human lifespan (unlikely I think but possibul) then nuclear release or massed chemical bombing may be the only options.

Posted: 2003-09-07 11:31pm
by Joe
Stormbringer wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:How does the rest of the world fare after the end of the movie?
Outbreaks in few places on the Continent and North America. Presumably contained as far as we can tell. It seems civilization as a whole survived.
Wasn't there some alternate ending where things were worse?

Posted: 2003-09-07 11:33pm
by Sea Skimmer
Durran Korr wrote:
Wasn't there some alternate ending where things were worse?
There supposedly where several, IMDb has a list of them. But it seems none address what happens to the rest of the world.

Posted: 2003-09-07 11:34pm
by Stormbringer
Durran Korr wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:How does the rest of the world fare after the end of the movie?
Outbreaks in few places on the Continent and North America. Presumably contained as far as we can tell. It seems civilization as a whole survived.
Wasn't there some alternate ending where things were worse?
For the Brits yes, but none is any better or worse for the rest of the world.

Posted: 2003-09-07 11:42pm
by Stravo
The soldiers in the movie were pretty clear that England was under quarantine and the rest of the world has escaped the worst of the infection. As to how long, it was fairly evident from the final scene that many of the infected were dying of starvation 28 days after the events of the movie. (why the infected don't just feed on each other is a bit beyond me)

Posted: 2003-09-07 11:45pm
by Stormbringer
Stravo wrote:The soldiers in the movie were pretty clear that England was under quarantine and the rest of the world has escaped the worst of the infection.
But they didn't know; they figured but it's clear from the way the commader was talking they didn't know. And lot of it was just nerves and insanity taking their toll.
Stravo wrote:As to how long, it was fairly evident from the final scene that many of the infected were dying of starvation 28 days after the events of the movie. (why the infected don't just feed on each other is a bit beyond me)
Perhaps because other infected were unsuitable food sources?

Posted: 2003-09-08 05:51am
by InnerBrat
I suppose it depends whether or not the infected can get through the Chunnel.
If they can, and do, then I reckon that most of Europe, even Asia and Africa, are fucked. I also reckon there's no chance the UK government got out within the first few days.

Assuming we haven't got a decimated world consisting of the Americas and the Antipodes, then the UK is part of the EU, and that's who will recolonise it. (Bloody French :P)

Posted: 2003-09-08 06:45am
by HemlockGrey
America 'cleans' the island with purifying thermonuclear flames.

Posted: 2003-09-08 07:32am
by Oberleutnant
Durran Korr wrote:How does the rest of the world fare after the end of the movie?
The jet at the end of the movie confirms it: my country is safe. That's all what matters to me. :P

Posted: 2003-09-08 09:11am
by Gil Hamilton
I think that the world got away largely unharmed. I can't see how an Infected would get to New York City anyway. Besides, it's New York. They probably heard reports of the Infection in England, went on the subway, saw someone acting particularly weird, and phoned it in. I can see dozens and dozens of such sightings.

I've theorized that the Infected probably could get to France via the chunnel before they undoubtably flooded it to quarantine the island. So Europe may have had a problem, but I can't see too huge of one.

Posted: 2003-09-08 10:03am
by Zoink
Stravo wrote: (why the infected don't just feed on each other is a bit beyond me)

Probably done on purpose. If it was developed as a weapon, you'd want the infected to die off.

Posted: 2003-09-08 04:28pm
by 2000AD
innerbrat wrote:I suppose it depends whether or not the infected can get through the Chunnel.
If they can, and do, then I reckon that most of Europe, even Asia and Africa, are fucked.
I think that when news of the outbreak first reached France the first thing they'd do would be try to surrender to the possessed. After that doesn't work they'd probably destroy the channel tunnel or at least seal it off.

Posted: 2003-09-08 04:33pm
by Sea Skimmer
2000AD wrote:
I think that when news of the outbreak first reached France the first thing they'd do would be try to surrender to the possessed. After that doesn't work they'd probably destroy the channel tunnel or at least seal it off.
At most they'd collapse the very end of it on the French side, allowing for a future reopening. Shutting down the ventilation system and filling the tunnel entrances with earth would also work, though it would take somewhat longer. Flooding isn't an option, you'd have to pump a fuckload of water in, its not like there's a convenient pipe leading up to the bottom of the English Channel.

Unless the infected got on a train, which seems unlikely to me, they wouldn't be likely to get through, Its a rather long walk and they'd be noticed and met with a hail of gunfire.

Posted: 2003-09-08 04:50pm
by Seele
Gil Hamilton wrote:I think that the world got away largely unharmed. I can't see how an Infected would get to New York City anyway. Besides, it's New York. They probably heard reports of the Infection in England, went on the subway, saw someone acting particularly weird, and phoned it in. I can see dozens and dozens of such sightings.

I've theorized that the Infected probably could get to France via the chunnel before they undoubtably flooded it to quarantine the island. So Europe may have had a problem, but I can't see too huge of one.
Yeah, I agree. Also, the incubation period for the virus is only about 20 seconds. And with that short of a time period, I don't see how it would really spread off of the island. Any plane most likely would crash and any boat would just mindlessly wonder around and most likely sunk by the Coast Guard.

The news broadcast on how the infection is spreading around the world I think was misinformation for the survivors so they don't try to excape and possibly spread the infection.

Posted: 2003-09-08 04:51pm
by Stravo
Oberleutnant wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:How does the rest of the world fare after the end of the movie?
The jet at the end of the movie confirms it: my country is safe. That's all what matters to me. :P
It could be a lone remnant of airforce guys looking for women. :P

Posted: 2003-09-09 03:38pm
by Oberleutnant
Well, if that is the case then the end would have to be viewed in different light. :D It would even leave room for a bizarre sequel...

Posted: 2003-09-09 04:00pm
by SyntaxVorlon
Not really. I mean, where would they land? Besides it's a Scandahoovian plane(according to some), why go 500 miles, to the ROOT of an infection looking for women.
The movie seems a little based on Iain Banks' A Song of Stone. At least the soldier part does.(If this was obvious to everyone with the book, haha!, mine's autographed!)

Posted: 2003-09-09 05:57pm
by InnerBrat
SyntaxVorlon wrote:The movie seems a little based on Iain Banks' A Song of Stone. At least the soldier part does.(If this was obvious to everyone with the book, haha!, mine's autographed!)
*Hands SV a copy of Day of the Triffids by John Wyndham.*

This is to 28 Days what The Tempest is to Forbidden Planet, what Emma s to Clueless and what Cyrano de Bergerac is to The Truth about Cats and Dogs.

The same fucking plot. All other comparisons are redundant.