Did Bill kill O-Ren's parents?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-10-19 07:19pm

From an AICN talkbacker (sometimes, they have good stuff to say):

That Oren Ishi-i's parents were murdered by Bill? Bill was the killer with the sword. The character who killed her parents had the same rings on his fingers, the same color in his hair, and the same sword (notice the dots on the handle). Perhaps this could explain why the bride was sad before she offed Oren's scalp near the movie's climax. Oren and the Bride have both lost everything to Bill. This could explain why Hanzo was sad about Bill when he wrote his name on the window (Hanzo trained Bill, Bill was in Japan, so he could have easily killed Oren's parents a while ago). The path to vengence is indeed a forest, one in which we could get lost in.

I have to go see it again now, to find out if this is correct...

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-10-19 07:22pm

Durrrh.... no, I don't think so. Why would O-ren work for the man who killed her parents?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-10-19 07:23pm

Nope, this is all wrong.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-10-19 07:30pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:Durrrh.... no, I don't think so. Why would O-ren work for the man who killed her parents?

No other course of action?

In any case, this might explain why Bill was willing to let O-Ren go and do her own thing, a luxury not afforded for the Bride. Atonement.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2003-10-19 08:12pm

Durran Korr wrote:
DPDarkPrimus wrote:Durrrh.... no, I don't think so. Why would O-ren work for the man who killed her parents?
No other course of action?

In any case, this might explain why Bill was willing to let O-Ren go and do her own thing, a luxury not afforded for the Bride. Atonement.

he was hardly letting her do her "own" thing. He was her backer in the play to take charge of the Tokyo underworld. Thus he was intimately involved in the buisness she was engaged in and might very well have been a manipulating influence to the other bosses.

aphexmonster · Post by **aphexmonster** » 2003-10-19 08:39pm

well, the man that handed the mob boss his sword had bills ring on, and the sword had the same emblem as bills sword.... plus it never showed his face, so i think so ...

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-10-19 08:41pm

aphexmonster wrote:well, the man that handed the mob boss his sword had bills ring on, and the sword had the same emblem as bills sword.... plus it never showed his face, so i think so ...

But, O-ren never really saw him, so I doubt she'd have known Bill killed her parents... or I may be confused, I'm too sleepy to think this through.

aphexmonster · Post by **aphexmonster** » 2003-10-19 09:10pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
aphexmonster wrote:well, the man that handed the mob boss his sword had bills ring on, and the sword had the same emblem as bills sword.... plus it never showed his face, so i think so ...
But, O-ren never really saw him, so I doubt she'd have known Bill killed her parents... or I may be confused, I'm too sleepy to think this through.

She doesn't know that he did, but i think he did based on those clues

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-10-19 09:32pm

The guy looked Asian, though...

Bug-Eyed Earl · Post by **Bug-Eyed Earl** » 2003-10-19 09:54pm

One ring was green, the other was red, I believe.

I may be wrong, but I think that Bill's ring is a ring that belongs to David CArradine in real life.