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It boils down to how fundy her parents are, and how much of an infuence and control they exert on their daughter. Ask her how she feels about her religion. If she says she won't have sex until marriage, you can be pretty sure she's gonna want to raise kids that way too.

The nice thing about fundamentalist Christians is that they make it very obvious that they are and they love to tell people about their morals and values, so you'd get an indication of the ramifications of pro-creating with said female pretty quickly after asking her about mormonism and meeting her folks.

Since it seems like she's willing to date someone who claims Satan is a Lesbian, I don't think you have much to worry about.

closet sci-fi fan wrote:She's not a hardcore Mormon as far as I can tell.

My real question is that how religious can your prospective mate be before you have to worry about her trying raise fundy children?

What warning signs should I look for?

There are very few Mormons that aren't extremely strict in their religion. Their whole church is very strict and very, very adept at using peer pressure to keep individuals in line. That's not a slam of your girl, it's just the way it is.

It's a good bet that if she's a fundy, she'll want fundy children (not to mention lots of them as a mormon). The general rule of thumb is the parent will want kids like them.

If you're really concerned about this, talk to her about it. There are damn few fundamentalists that will hide it and if she really cares, she'll be honest.

Ask her if she'll take it up the ass.

Darth Wong wrote:Ask her if she'll take it up the ass.

Well, that didn't take long....

I've known many a strict mormon catholic and jehova's witness and there are two groups of youth. Half are the brainwashed fundies who do what mommy and daddy tell them to do. Then there is a good half. The half that can be saved! (praise jeebus!) The half that smokes and drinks and fucks behind the backs of absent parents. I fucked a jehova chick. I had a friend in high school named Matt....the guy (and his brother) got more ass than a porta-john at a backstreet boys concert. Yes, some are dateable, but be careful, many eventually wander back to the flock.

As someone who dated a Born again Christian (and posted a similar thread asking for advice about her here many moons ago) my advice is don't even try. She is either motivated by two things if she is dating outrside her strict fundie faith

Curiosity - she may really like you and is confused WHY she likes you if you are not part of her faith. The fundies are extremely cult like and can point to passages in the bible where God requires those of teh faith not to intermingle with others "under the yolk" as they call it. Now you can try to point out as I did that we're both Christians so what's the big deal? But the fundies have anticpated this bit of logic, she will most likely answer with a straight face that "You're not a real Christian" For you it would be "Christians are not mormons." In the end she will either decide that you are worth her losing her faith (Make no mistake, for her to take things further with you would require her to leave behind her faith because Fundies have forgotten the forgiveness and acceptance message of Jesus to the exclusion of the Chosen people aspect of his mission)

Hidden Agenda - This can either evolve from the curiosity stage as she decides that yes she wants you but she will "Save" you so that she can have you and stay in her religion (Happened to me, it's not pretty when you're absolutely aghast at the utter insanity and cultish atmosphere of the fundies) Or it can start this way, where they mark you for conversion and use the feminine charms to drag you in.

Either way after my experience I would recommend a hasty retreat. This can only lead to heart ache or problems later because once the fundies get their hooks in you - they make it nearly impossible for these girls to leave or even try to be happy with someon outside their cult. Sound bitter? Yep, she was gorgeous and fun to hang out with, but damn if that religion issue kept hanging around like the proverbial elephant in the room.

Stravo wrote: Either way after my experience I would recommend a hasty retreat. This can only lead to heart ache or problems later because once the fundies get their hooks in you - they make it nearly impossible for these girls to leave or even try to be happy with someon outside their cult. Sound bitter? Yep, she was gorgeous and fun to hang out with, but damn if that religion issue kept hanging around like the proverbial elephant in the room.

before the hasty retreat i´d recommend a couple of fine fucks.

salm wrote:

Stravo wrote: Either way after my experience I would recommend a hasty retreat. This can only lead to heart ache or problems later because once the fundies get their hooks in you - they make it nearly impossible for these girls to leave or even try to be happy with someon outside their cult. Sound bitter? Yep, she was gorgeous and fun to hang out with, but damn if that religion issue kept hanging around like the proverbial elephant in the room.

before the hasty retreat i´d recommend a couple of fine fucks.

IF you can get that. Fundie girls are remarkably adept at using the promise of poon as an incentive for being "saved". As in "If you convert then there would be no problems with us having a physical relationship." You have to give it to them, they use what they can to get you, sounds more like a business than a religion, no?

So Fundie girls are prostitutes that accept payment in souls rather then dollars?

Meh, living in Mormon central, I'll say this. If you are just trolling for a piece, it is likely that the girl will rebel against the oppressive nature of the religious enviroment from her parents and the 'church'.

If this is the case, hang on, it'll be a hell of a ride.

If its a more long term deal, definately observe the control excerted over her by her parents and to what degree she wants in put from the 'ward'. If she doesn't want to make a decision without the input of mommy and daddy (honestly without relegion, if she wants this she is trouble waiting to happen) or input from ward members, then is going to be nothing but trouble down the road. As her singificant other, you should not have to compete with others as if they were equal to your position. IMO.

Yeah, watch that mommy and daddy shit. Even if they're not religious, it gets real old real fast when every time you want to do anything with a girl, you have to take her parents into account. In high school, you deal with it, but once you're all grownups, it blows ass when you realize you're not just dating her, you're dating her entire damn family.

RedImperator wrote: you're dating her entire damn family.

... which is OK if her mom is hot.

Zoink wrote:

RedImperator wrote: you're dating her entire damn family.

... which is OK if her mom is hot.

They never are, man. They never are.

Zoink wrote:

RedImperator wrote: you're dating her entire damn family.

... which is OK if her mom is hot.

You've been reading too many of those 'letters' in Hustler. Not a bad thing mind you, but unrealistic as Westling.

Knife wrote:You've been reading too many of those 'letters' in Hustler. Not a bad thing mind you, but unrealistic as Westling.

Now, now. Wrestling is staged. If nothing else, you have to give them credit for being talented stuntmen and athletes, because while the objective is not to seriously hurt the other guy, there is a lot of contact, and people do still get injuries.

The letters are pure fantasy, however.

Hotfoot wrote:

Knife wrote:You've been reading too many of those 'letters' in Hustler. Not a bad thing mind you, but unrealistic as Westling.

Now, now. Wrestling is staged. If nothing else, you have to give them credit for being talented stuntmen and athletes, because while the objective is not to seriously hurt the other guy, there is a lot of contact, and people do still get injuries.

I wouldn't dare debate the pure entertainment value and physical prowless of the people who perform the entertainment, having been a fan when I was a kid. It's still fake, physically impressive fake, but fake.

The letters are pure fantasy, however.

Ah, sweet fantasy........

Knife wrote:I wouldn't dare debate the pure entertainment value and physical prowless of the people who perform the entertainment, having been a fan when I was a kid. It's still fake, physically impressive fake, but fake.

Fake implies a host of other factors which aren't quite true, hence my usage of the word staged, since it is, after all, an act.

From my experience, if you get married, you have to convert.

At least it worked that way for a girl I knew.


It depends on how far you're willing to go on this. With the subject of children, it seems pretty far.

The Mormon church strongly urges its members to only date other Mormons. So if she's willing to date you, she can't be that hard core about it.

First suggestion, find out how active a member she is. Does she go to church every Sunday or jsut occasionally, etc.

And why does everyone always equate Mormons with Fundies when your typical Fundie want's to get rid of Mormons almost as much as he wants to get rid of Atheists and Gays?

Darth Servo wrote:The Mormon church strongly urges its members to only date other Mormons. So if she's willing to date you, she can't be that hard core about it.

Not necessarily. If they want to convert, they'll date outside their ranks.

First suggestion, find out how active a member she is. Does she go to church every Sunday or jsut occasionally, etc.

And why does everyone always equate Mormons with Fundies when your typical Fundie want's to get rid of Mormons almost as much as he wants to get rid of Atheists and Gays?

There are fundamentalists in other religions. Mormons are fundies in their own way. Even though other Christian Fundies want to get rid of them.

Do you like her?

I have dated a Mormon girl, she never pressured religion on me or anything else like that. She was also bisexual, dressed gothic, read comic books (My gosh she named here cat Locheed after Shadowcats Dragon, and her dog Morpheus, from Sandman), and she was a total cutie. Yet, she was really faithful to her religion. Don't go by sterotypes, look at her as a person. If you can accept she is religious, and she can accept you are not, go for it. But talk to her about it.

closet sci-fi fan wrote:She's not a hardcore Mormon as far as I can tell.

My real question is that how religious can your prospective mate be before you have to worry about her trying raise fundy children?

What warning signs should I look for?

One has to be real careful with Mormons. They are really, really effective at keeping people 'in the flock.' Literally if someone moves away, they will track them down and send them letters threatening them with all manner of nasty afterlife consequences if they don't shape up. (I am not making this up, my dad was a Mormon many years ago.)

And, they tend to impose a lot of rules on people and their sexuality (right down to the kind of underwear that a woman can wear. Again, I am not making this up, I had a Mormon friend in high school.)

Moral of the story: There is really no such thing as a non-hardcore Mormon, except one who has "de-converted," and no longer professes to follow the faith at all.

Just a word of caution.

Sir Sirius wrote:So Fundie girls are prostitutes that accept payment in souls rather then dollars?

As a Warhammer(/40K) player, why did I suddenly get the image of a Daemonette?

GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:
One has to be real careful with Mormons. They are really, really effective at keeping people 'in the flock.' Literally if someone moves away, they will track them down and send them letters threatening them with all manner of nasty afterlife consequences if they don't shape up. (I am not making this up, my dad was a Mormon many years ago.)

And, they tend to impose a lot of rules on people and their sexuality (right down to the kind of underwear that a woman can wear. Again, I am not making this up, I had a Mormon friend in high school.)

Moral of the story: There is really no such thing as a non-hardcore Mormon, except one who has "de-converted," and no longer professes to follow the faith at all.

Just a word of caution.

They, as a group, are just like any other religeon in that you will have your fundies, you hardcore group, your 'lets do it cause my parents did', your 'lets do it cause every one else does it', and those that were babtized when they were kids so they technically are part of that church but don't go.