Democrats Try to Undermine Democracy in NJ

Azeron · Post by **Azeron** » 2002-10-02 05:48pm

In New Jersey Senator Torricelli is the democratic nominee for reelection. He was censured by the senate for graft and corruption. NJ voters, are really being pissed about being sold out for a used color tv, jewlery, and some money.

He is likely to lose, and the senate is in the balance since Democrats are slated to lose 2 Senate elections due to strong evidence of corrpution, and law breaking.

So they decided after the ballots were printed and sent out to various locations, that they are going to lose so they have torricelli step down adn found someone not so sleazy take his place after the final deadline for withdrawl had passed.

They are taking it to court, to have the law put aside, and disenfranchise the absentee balloters, ,many of whom may not be there when the second ballot finnaly arrives way behind schedule.

the ballots of military voters have already started to come back

You know, this is just sleezy. Sure they are losing, well he is a sleezeball. He was still choosen by the democrats of NJ to be thier canidate. Now some back room deal is going to set thier new canidate. Just because your losing, you should be allowed to change canidates.

Meanwhile in Hawaii, a Democratic Canidate slated to win died, they want the voters to be able to pick a dead person to win, instead of finding a new canidate.

This is just a travesty of democracy. The DNC has no regard for the rule of law or a concept of decency.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-10-02 05:55pm

This is going to turn into another Palm Beach. However there is no room for interpretation in the law. The Democrats cannot change their candidate at this point. However with a well-stacked Jersey supreme court, its pretty clear this will be going all the way to the top.

Azeron · Post by **Azeron** » 2002-10-02 05:59pm

Well conventional wisdom has been wrong before. I don't think the Supreme Court is going to let this fly if the Democrats get their way.

What the democrats are doing really stinks. I get sick to my stomach that the party of Thomas Jefferson is so in love with power they are willing to undermine the rule of law to win.

They should change their name to "Facistocratic" to better reflect thier attitude towards the democratic proccess.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-10-02 06:00pm

Azeron wrote:The DNC has no regard for the rule of law or a concept of decency.

I find it incredibly funny that you said that.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-10-02 06:05pm

Azeron wrote:They should change their name to "Facistocratic" to better reflect thier attitude towards the democratic proccess.

When I read this, the gales of laughter disturbed the bats nesting in my roof.

Azeron · Post by **Azeron** » 2002-10-02 06:10pm

The NJ supreme court just sided with Democrats to undremine democracy. This will be on the Supreme Courts Desk on Monday, where it will most assuredly be overturned.

One of the biggest problems with the democratic plan is that there are NJ military units out in the feild and cannot be tracked down and given the new ballot in time.

The US Supreme Court traditionaly takes a dim view of disenfranchising military voters in the field, let alone this BS.

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-10-02 06:12pm

Wow. Political parties engaging in corrupt, dishonest and illegal activities in order to win?
What a shock.

Azeron · Post by **Azeron** » 2002-10-02 07:28pm

Well, it turns out the NJ judges all owe their offices to the Democratic Party. really bribed their way into office.

Rhadamanthus · Post by **Rhadamanthus** » 2002-10-02 08:42pm

What really bothers me is that they are being so brazen about it.

I mean, they couldn't even come up with a half-ass excuse about Toricelli stepping down for reasons of health or family or something. They've just flat out stated "We're afraid of losing our Majority, so in total violation of the law we're going to switch candidates in the middle of the election because it looks like our guy might lose."

I'm probably going to go into Cardiac arrest from laughter if they end up losing the majority because of this idiocy.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-10-02 09:39pm

When Torcielli loses his seat, they'll find a way to get another Democrat into office in a different state. Or, if Torcielli loses, he can just demand a recount.

Azeron · Post by **Azeron** » 2002-10-02 09:46pm

not true. it has to be close to trigger a recount. Besides its not like a florida thing, I beleive, may be wrong, use lever machines to register most votes. Its the absentee ballots that are printed.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2002-10-02 09:47pm

I don't like this.

I really don't like this.

The politicians doing the most beating of the war drums are the ones who got out of Vietnam on deferment after deferment, or the ones whose well-connected parents got them nice cushy positions in "national defense" formations like the National Guard that kept them out of harm's way. These are the politicians who frighten me the most of all - the ones who, when called upon to defend their country, hid behind abler, better men who bled and died instead.

The brave ones, the ones who faced battle and lived, are the ones NOT shouting for instant vengeance on whichever "enemy" is closest at hand.

Azeron · Post by **Azeron** » 2002-10-02 09:49pm

did you write on the right topic?

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2002-10-02 09:55pm

Uhh, correct me if I'm wrong here but wasn't this sleezebag barred from taking office and removed from the ballot because of that fact? All the DNC is supposed to be doing is trying to put a another candidate on the ballot after their first choice was disallowed after the candidate deadline had passed. This is how the BBC has reported the issue so far.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-10-02 09:56pm

It think it's an icredibly sleazy way to go about it. I'm not in the least suprised that they'd try but it's dissapointing. These are the bastards that want to run the country. No wonder it's going down the shitter.

Azeron · Post by **Azeron** » 2002-10-02 10:02pm

No he was only repremained by the senate for graft and corruption. The files were surpressed, but a court opened them to the public. It caused a politcal fiasco in NJ putting him 13 points behind AT LEAST (really more, but polls tilt left). Anyways, the democrats told him to quit the race, and see if they can replace him with someone else. So he did, within the period prohibited by state law so ballots cna paperwork can proceed on time. He stated the reason why he quit the race was that he was sure he was going to lose. It looked almost even before the files were released, so thats why he didn't resign before the deadline. Now they are trying to put in a well respected former senator to take his place. the democratically appointed NJ supreme court that freaking bought their seats with campaign donations, decided to disgard the law.

Now its going to the supremes.

This kind of election shanengans is not going to fly on a federal election.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-10-02 10:35pm

Didn't Clinton and Gore both dodge their way out of 'Nam too?

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-10-02 10:35pm

And all of the other jerks that went to Canada?

Azeron · Post by **Azeron** » 2002-10-02 10:38pm

If i recall Gore was a hovercraft captain during the war. they operated for about 2 weeks,.... if I recall.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-02 11:01pm

What really bothers me is that they are being so brazen about it.

Agreed, Its open its brazzen its idioitc
There where TWENTY better opitions to go with

Example, The Crook still runs but he *Promises if he wins to step down and let somone else(who they will name) take over the place for him

So your not realy voting for him though you are, your just voting for the other guy

That would be the cleanest soliution and the smartest one too but
of course they being them did not think of it or take it

To say I'm disguested with the current Democratic Party is quite a bit of understament and though I'm left or Right wing(I tend to be for intellgent people, one of the reasons why I typcialy go to the voting booth, look at my list of choices, shake my head and walk back out), but the utter IDIOCY and power-grubbing the Democrats are doing at the moment is the HEIGHT of insult
Iraq should have been invaded, and invaded last MONTH, not giving him all this handy time to prepare, The first news should have been a Prowler B-2 Strike aginst him followed up by Tommahawk attacks at military bases to smash the Tanks he has left along with anything else we could hit in the first six hours.

Bascily spend two weeks removing anything vaulgy representing a military structor or unit THEN ask him Kindly to step down, he's not going to be in much of a position to aurge is he?

But instead here we wait, its a forgon consulsion that we will invade but we will be spending the next two months waiting on the Democrats to stop manvoring for maxium poltical gain and *Expolring other opitions and making absoutly sure the Tooth Fairy will not save American before finaly using Force

Azeron · Post by **Azeron** » 2002-10-02 11:07pm

Mr Bean seeing as we are not supposed to aggree on anything, me being the village idiot/facist, and me being conservative and all. So to mantain consistancy, one of us will have to change their position on this issue.

If I start posting too intelligently, people might keep on sending me those annoying "Why did you get the village idiot label, when you make good points and morons are let to roam freely?"

Phil Skayhan · Post by **Phil Skayhan** » 2002-10-02 11:19pm

I disagree with the decision handed down from the NJ Supreme Court.

They seem to interpret the law to state that the two party system must be maintained in order to provide the voters of NJ a choice and allow the fullest participation in the electoral process. Even though there are other parties that do have candidates running for the office. (Granted that these "third parties" have little if no chance of winning the general election)

If the law does not, as they state, preclude the replacement of a candidate after the 51 day deadline, then what is the purpose or even the use of that law?

Regardless of how this plays out in the courts and assuming that the US Supreme Court upholds the decision, I would not be upset if Lautenberg wins the election. I'm not voting for him, but I respect him.

EDIT: spelled "parties" wrong

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-10-03 09:14pm

Mr Bean wrote: Iraq should have been invaded, and invaded last MONTH, not giving him all this handy time to prepare, The first news should have been a Prowler B-2 Strike aginst him followed up by Tommahawk attacks at military bases to smash the Tanks he has left along with anything else we could hit in the first six hours.

In the future you might gain more respect by considering the number of service men who WILL die doing this. I am a Marine, I have many good friends and good NCOs that I know who will be on the front lines of any invasion. I don't want to see them die for something like this which does not need to be done like Bush claims. Frankly I think that war mongers who think we have some right and need to invade should be placed in their stead so that they don't have to die for your blood thirst.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-10-03 09:23pm

Err....B-2's and Tomahawks bombing their tanks mean that it would save more lives when we do eventually invade...I fail to see your point.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-10-03 09:28pm

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:Err....B-2's and Tomahawks bombing their tanks mean that it would save more lives when we do eventually invade...I fail to see your point.

My point is that people will die, likely even people who I count as friends or good colleagues from various duties when I've been on active duty the last few summers. I'm not about to sacrifice friends fighting a war that doesn't need to be fought.

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