And So it begins...........

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-10-04 01:21pm

I've actually been to that bench, it's outside a chicken place
i've been to before...

ROCKVILLE, Maryland (CNN) -- Police said Friday they believe a high-powered hunting or assault rifle was used "at a distance" to shoot to death three men and two women in the Washington D.C. suburbs of Maryland, and they have no evidence that the victims are associated with one another.

...........

Moose said Friday that authorities are "90 percent certain" that a high-powered hunting or assault rifle was used to fire .223-caliber ammunition from a distance in the shootings in Montgomery County. Each victim was shot with a single bullet.

"We're dealing with someone shooting from a distance, someone using a high- velocity round," said Moose. "Clearly at this point, we don't have any information that it is an illegal weapon."

The police chief would not say from what distance the shots were fired, but said, "We are very clear in that no one ran up to the individual, shot them and ran away." He described the killer or killers as skilled shooters.

The weapon could be anything from a banned assault rifle to a common type of hunting rifle, the chief said.

...........

Capt. Nancy Demme, a Montgomery County police spokeswoman, said police were "90 percent" certain that a high-powered hunting or assault- type rifle firing .223-caliber bullets was used.

..........

Joseph M. Riehl, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms special agent in charge of the investigation, displayed several different weapons that could have fired the shots in a Friday morning press conference.

List of firearms that may have been used
in the Montgomery County shootings

Armalite AR-180
Browning Model BBR
Bushmaster Firearms Models
Colt AR-15
IMI Galil
Remington Model 788
Remington Model 722
Remington Model XP-100

They included an AR-15 assault rifle, which is the civilian version of the
military M-16, and a bolt-action single-shot hunting rifle.

_________________________________________________________

Our Police Chief is a FUCKING IDIOT! I was able to own an AR-15
by easily skirting the ban due to buying a HEAVY BARRELED AR-15....

I also really find it amusing that their "long range, precision shooter"
has apparently hit a target at the extreme range of......150yds!!!

This is so convient just as we are about to elect our congressmen in a
month, and this election will determine the fate of the 1994 Assault
Weapons Ban which sunsets in 2004 BY LAW......

This means that in 2004, newly manufactured AR-15s with 30
round magazines, flash hiders, and bayonet lugs and collapsible
stocks will become LEGAL again to be owned by civilians .......unless
congress passes another even more restrictive ban......

Also, It is a fairly widespread "theory" that many such shootings
in the past ten years were results of "political actors". In the past,
shootings oddly occured right around the time new gun legislation
was being considered.

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At this point IMHO it sounds like it might be a gang initiation. In neraby Fairfax County, Virginia police have been targeted by a nationwide Latino gang, MS-13 (which stands for Mara Salvarucha) and orginated with street gang immigrants from El Salvador.

Also, in Virginia and possibly in Maryland also, brutal Oriental home
invasion gangs operate during daytime.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-04 01:23pm

It sunsets in 2004? Intresting, Say Shep, do you have a link to the full list?

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-10-04 01:24pm

From Freerepublic......

FOX just broadcast a press conference with the FBI special agent in charge of investigating the Maryland shootings. You'd think that an FBI SAC would be familiar with firearms and would be able to explain them coherently. I was very disappointed from the start, when the SAC indicated that the weapon used was a ".22." I could feel the Brady Bunch yelling, "Yes!" as they geared-up to use this factual but misleading statement to push for a ban on all long guns in Maryland.

The SAC then went on to show a variety of .223 cartridges, from the NATO round to a monster about the size of a 3-inch naval shell (which the camera locked onto), all now misidentified in viewers' minds as ".22s." The SAC then continued, showing an AR-15 and a bolt-action hunting rifle with a scope the size of the Holland Tunnel, while a drooling press expressed shock that such weapons and .223 ammunition are actually available for sale in Maryland and across the United States!

Considering the importance of this news conference, and the caliber of the LEOs involved, it was a dismaying display.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-10-04 01:27pm

Mr Bean wrote:It sunsets in 2004? Intresting, Say Shep, do you have a link to the full list?

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f ... N22855.DTL

Widower crusades to ban assault weapons

Gun law enacted after 101 California massacre due to
expire in 2004 -- NRA girds for battle

Washington -- A grimly determined Steve Sposato is back in the capital this week to campaign against assault weapons, nine years after a gunman toting two of the semiautomatic weapons killed his wife, Jody, and seven others at 101 California St. in San Francisco.

To win passage of the assault weapons ban in 1994, backers had to agree that it would expire after a decade, in September 2004. The new Congress, to be elected in November, and the president would have to approve new legislation to keep the existing federal ban on manufacturing or selling semiautomatic versions of such weapons as AK-47s and Uzi submachine guns.

The two sides in the gun control debate, one of America's perennial hot- button issues, are gearing up for another battle, and Sposato -- the Lafayette man who lobbied strenuously for the 1994 law -- is back in the trenches. He faces groups like the National Rifle Association, the powerful 4 million- member group that promises to fight the ban with all its many resources as an infringement of Second Amendment rights.

SEEKING CANDIDATES' BACKING

"I intend to make this a hot issue," Sposato said as he appeared with several leaders of police and gun- control groups to announce that candidates in November's congressional elections will be asked to sign a pledge of support for making the ban permanent.

But in an election year in which campaigns are dominated by talk of war against Iraq and a sour economy, assault weapons are barely an asterisk among most voters' concerns.

Yet advocates point to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, saying that legalizing assault weapons capable of spewing several rounds of ammunition a second makes little sense in a society that fears more attacks.

"Will this administration and the next Congress go down as visionaries, or will they legalize these weapons, while touting the war on terrorism, in a society where we are being told there are al Qaeda sleeper cells?" asked Sposato, whose daughter Megan was only 10 months old when her mother was slain.

To the NRA, which is the key part of a powerful pro- gun political lobby that has contributed $1.88 million to congressional candidates this year, the assault weapons ban remains a bad idea that was "purely political in motivation and consequence."

'THEY'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE'

NRA spokeswoman Kelly Whitley scoffed at the attempt to tie the ban to fighting terrorism.

"They're taking advantage of the situation and trying to link the lawful ownership of firearms to 9/11," she said. "Since the terrorists used box openers, maybe they should propose banning them."

The law banned the manufacture and sale of semiautomatic, military-style assault weapons. It defined those weapons as guns with a detachable magazine and two or more of the following: a bayonet lug, flash suppressor, protruding pistol grip, folding stock or threaded muzzle. The law also banned the making or sale of "large capacity" ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.

The NRA says the 1994 law banned weapons that were rarely used in crimes, although the ones in which they have been wielded are high-profile incidents such as 101 California, the Columbine High School shootings in Colorado and the Santee school killings in San Diego County.

Those guns were available after 1994 because the ban didn't affect weapons already in the public's hands.

TARGET SHOOTING, HUNTING

While champions of the ban say the semiautomatic assault weapons have no valid use, the NRA says the weapons are used for target shooting and hunting. The NRA estimates these weapons account for about 15 percent of all guns in the country.

"Any firearm, regardless of type, size, caliber, cost or appearance, can be,

and is most often by far, used for legitimate purposes," adds the NRA.

Gun control advocates, who have managed to donate only about $51,000 to congressional candidates this year, admit they face an uphill fight in renewing the ban.

"It would be tough, maybe impossible, to pass this in the current Congress, " conceded former Maryland Rep. Michael Barnes, who now heads the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "Lots of members from both parties wouldn't be willing to vote for reauthorization."

After the 1994 vote, gun ownership advocates exacted revenge at the ballot box, ousting several members of Congress who had voted for the ban.

Sposato said he wanted to enlist Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., the prime sponsor of the 1994 ban and of subsequent efforts to fight its repeal, in the new fight.

FEINSTEIN'S SUPPORT

The senator, who as a freshman legislator got national attention for her gun control effort, is ready for the battle, said spokesman Howard Gantman.

"This will be one of our top priorities next year, no question," he said.

"But the gun lobby is extremely strong," Gantman added, saying the 108th Congress would face another major debate over guns.

One hopeful sign, said Barnes, is that in the 2000 presidential campaign then-candidate George W. Bush said he supported the law's renewal. Since then, the White House has been silent on the issue.

E-mail Edward Epstein at eepstein@sfchronicle.com.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-10-04 01:35pm

House of Delegates
Annapolis, Maryland 21401-1991

Dear Colleague:

Thank you for your interest in House Bill 1118 which was designed
to restrict future sales of assault weapons in Maryland. We
discovered in our research and throughout the Judiciary Committee
hearing that the bill, in its original form, was too broad.
Therefore, under the guidance of the law enforcement community, we
drafted amendments that would narrow the legislation.

Specifically, the proposed amendments listed actual assault
weapons which would be restricted and deleted the generic definition.
Further, the amendments explicitly stated that all present gun owners'
weapons would be "grandfathered" so that anyone already owning an
assault weapon at the time this law was enacted would be able to keep
their weapon. We have attached a copy of these amendments for your
files.

Unfortunately, these amendments - and, therefore, the bill - were
defeated in the House Judiciary Committee this morning by a vote of 10
to 11.

However, the problem still needs to be solved. These weapons are
proliferating at an alarming rate. For example, in 1986,
approximately 8,100 AK-47's were imported into the United States. In
1988, that number exploded to over 80,000 and, by next session, twice
that many more will have been imported.

Presently, there is a similar bill in the Senate that is
scheduled to have a hearing in the Judicial Proceedings Committee on
March 9, and the House Judiciary Committee has already committed to a
summer study of this legislation. We are confident we will have
action on these terrible weapons within a year, and hope you will
support this effort.

Sincerely,

John Gary Peter Franchot

*********************

HB1118

BY: Delegate
(To be offered to the Judiciary Committee)

AMENDMENTS TO HOUSE BILL NO. 1118
(First Reading File Bill)

AMENDMENT NO.
On page 1, line 20, strike "(1)"; and on pages 1 and 2, strike
beginning with "(I)" in line 21 on page 1, down through "CARBINE" in
line 19 on page 2, and substitute:

"(1) ANY OF THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC FIREARMS OR THEIR COPIES
REGARDLESS OF WHICH COMPANY PRODUCED AND/OR MANUFACTURED THAT FIREARM:

(I) UZI 9MM IN ANY FORMAT (MICRO, CARBINE, RIFLE);

(II) HECKLER AND KOCH HK 91 A3 (.308 CALIBER); 93-A (.223
CALIBER;

(III) GALIL 5.56MM AND 7.62MM;

(IV) FN LAR ASSAULT RIFLE/BATTLE RIFLE IN ANY FORMAT; PARA
50.63 (.308 CALIBER), PARA 50.64; HB FALO 50.41 (.308 CALIBER);
OR FN-FAR-HB FALO 50.42;

(V) SPRINGFIELD ARMORY SAR-48 (.308 CALIBER) IN ANY FORMAT;

(VI) MANDELL TAC-1 CARBINE IN 45 ACP OR 9MM;

(VII) COLT AR 15 IN ANY FORMAT;

(VIII) FNC .223 CARBINE;

(IX) AVTOMAT KALASHNIKOV SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE IN ANY FORMAT;

(X) CALICO M 900 9MM ASSAULT RIFLE;

(XI) SIG 550/551 ASSAULT RIFLE (.223 CALIBER);

(XII) MAC 10-11 IN ANY FORMAT;

(XIII) INTRATEC TEC 9 AND TEC 9M;

(XIV) COBRAY SWD 9MM IN ANY FORMAT;

(XV) FAMAS 5.56MM (.223 CALIBER);

(XVI) MOSSBERG MODEL 500 BULLPUP ASSAULT SHOTGUN;

(XVII) USAS-12 SEMI-AUTO ASSAULT SHOTGUN;

(XVIII) FEATHER CENTERFIRE AT-9 SEMI-AUTO;

(XIX) STEYR-AUG-SA SEMI-AUTO (.223 CALIBER);

(XX) VALMET M-76 AND M-78 IN ALL FORMATS;

(XXI) STERLING MK 6 CARBINE SEMI-AUTO 9 MM;

(XXII) BARRETT LIGHT .50 CALIBER SEMI-AUTO;

(XXIII) ARGENTINE L.S.R. SEMI-AUTO IN ALL FORMATS;

(XXIV) DRAGUNOV SNIPER RIFLE (7.62 X 39MM);

(XXV) AP 9 ASSAULT PISTOL;

(XXVI) STRIKER 12 ASSAULT SHOTGUN IN ALL FORMATS;

(XXVII) THOMPSON ORDNANCE M1 IN ALL FORMATS; AND

(XXVIII) RUGER MINI-14 FOLDING STOCK MODEL (.223 CALIBER).

(2) ANY DETACHABLE MAGAZINE FOR A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE OR HANDGUN
WITH A CAPACITY OF 20 ROUNDS OR MORE."

AMENDMENT NO.
On page 2, line 20, strike "(3)" and substitute "_(B)_"; and on
page 2, strike beginning with "A:" in line 20, down through "(III)" in
line 23; and on page 2, strike beginning with "OR" in line 24 down
through "SUBSECTION" in line 26.

AMENDMENT NO.
On page 2, line 27, strike "(B)" and substitute "_(C)_"; and on
page 3, line 1, strike "(C)" and substitute _(D)_".

AMENDMENT NO.
On page 2, line 35, following "PURPOSES." insert:

"(3) NOTHING IN THIS SECTION SHALL BE CONSTRUED TO MAKE
UNLAWFUL THE POSSESSION OF ANY ASSAULT WEAPON IDENTIFIED IN SUBSECTION
(A) BY A PERSON WHO TOOK POSSESSION, PURCHASED, TRANSPORTED INTO THE
STATE OR RECEIVED THE ASSAULT WEAPON PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF
THIS ACT.".

End of file

************

Glad they got all those evil guns off the street. These people are a joke.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-04 01:59pm

(IX) AVTOMAT KALASHNIKOV SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE IN ANY FORMAT;

Lucky I happen to know somone who owns a few Leagle AK-74s adn I'm going to be buying one off him soon

Doomriser · Post by **Doomriser** » 2002-10-04 04:50pm

MKSheppard wrote:(XXIV) DRAGUNOV SNIPER RIFLE (7.62 X 39MM);

WTF? Isn't the Dragunov a 7.62X54R?

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-10-04 04:55pm

Doomriser wrote: WTF? Isn't the Dragunov a 7.62X54R?

Now you see why I despise politons. They can't even get
the names or calibers of the stuff they're trying to ban
CORRECT.

How would you like it if some fucknut with no knowledge of
the computer industry tried to highly regulate and ban a lot of stuf....
oh wait, thats Fritz Hollings......

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-10-04 05:03pm

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=29180

FBI: Maryland shootings fit no category
Agency profilers can see no motive other than terrorism

Posted: October 4, 2002
3:10 p.m. Eastern
By Paul Sperry

© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

WASHINGTON – It's not gang-banging. Or spree-shooting. Or armed robbery. And it's not a serial killer.

So what would motivate two assailants to randomly target five victims in a Maryland suburb, and possibly a sixth in D.C., killing each with a single shot from a high-powered rifle?

The calculated shootings, which took place Wednesday and Thursday, are like none that federal investigators have seen.

"If some sicko just wants to go out and essentially assassinate a bunch of random people – and he's not a terrorist – it's almost like a new category" of crime, said a veteran FBI agent.

The perpetrators aren't spree shooters, FBI profilers have concluded.

Typically, spree shooters are loners who snap one day and fire away until police appear and they come to their own violent end.

They typically seek revenge on an employer, such as the post office, or fellow students at a school. They come to the scene loaded with weapons, and take a stand, spraying victims with bullets.

But in this case, two men in a white van or "box truck" did not spray bullets, but picked targets, trained a rifle, or rifles, on their victims and aimed to kill, like trained assassins.

"In a spree shooting, there are usually a lot of people wounded," said one agent. "The shooter is not really taking time to aim."

"This is much more cold and calculated than the typical spree shooting," he said. "The victims were not wounded."

What's more, the sniper, or snipers, didn't take a stand, but sped off to avoid capture.

"This is different – they've taken great steps to avoid being apprehended," he added.

Authorities are said to have a description of the shooters but are not releasing it. They've reviewed video tapes from security cameras at some of the businesses where the shootings took place.

"The idea of terrorism is to spread fear," said one law enforcement officer. "If that's what they wanted to do, they've succeeded, because there's a lot of fear in the Washington area right now."

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FUCK IT ALL! They have composite drawings of the perps, but aren't
releasing them! They could catch them much faster that way...
which leads me to believe it's an al-quaeda cell.....gotta keep
the economy up, at all costs.......

Also, the liberal agenda is like rust.....it never sleeps.....

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=146959

That, and under the guise of "educating" the people the FBI is now
showing the AR15 and is telling those who see an AR15 to
call the police...more ....Incredible...urging police to check those
with AR15s to see if they are allowed to posess them legally...

.........

This crappy government is gonna get us killed. Maybe 5 at a time. The shooter was done by 10:00. He probably had lunch and got into a vehicle that is NOT a white delivery truck and is headed for the next AO, or a comfortable retirement...

But the gestappo is gonna take OUR guns away!
Assholes.

.............

Did any of you notice on the close up shots of the ammo that one of the rounds was actually a .308 or .30-06 round? What a crock. The casing was substantially larger than that of a .223. That was the casing they zoomed in on was the .308.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-10-04 05:53pm

I've been saying all along that anti-missile defenses, fighter planes, and tanks are a pretty ridiculous defense against terrorism. If someone wants to hurt people at random, it's almost impossible to stop them. And while I would want to be armed if I lived in that area, it probably wouldn't do me much good against people who stop, take a potshot at long range with a rifle, and then take off.

Mind you, Shep's wacko theory that the killings are orchestrated by the liberal conspiracy to perpetuate gun laws is just moronic, even for him. Maybe they're Al-Quaeda, or maybe they're other Islamic terrorists from other parts of the world, or maybe they're anti-government wackos from around here, or maybe they're just nuts.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-10-04 06:04pm

Darth Wong wrote: Mind you, Shep's wacko theory that the killings are orchestrated by the liberal conspiracy to perpetuate gun laws is just moronic, even for him.

Actually, it's true. It seems that a mass shooting event ALWAYS seems to
happen just around certain "critical" times, such as the time when a guy
went nuts outside the white house in 1994 and sprayed it with rounds
from an AR-15 ONE WEEK before the vote on the 94 Assault Weapons Ban...

The other theory (and more plausible) is that the antis always have at
least several gun control laws floating around in the hopper, ready
to be deployed when stuff like this happens....you CAN hold a bill
for quite a while before it must be voted on....

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2002-10-04 06:04pm

MKSheppard wrote: (X) CALICO M 900 9MM ASSAULT RIFLE;

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Glad they got all those evil guns off the street. These people are a joke.

That wouldn't be the gun with the cylindrical magazine that holds 50-100 rounds would it?

The "hand gun" version was popular in sci-fi for it's freaky look for awhile. Particularly the movie I Come in Peace.

My uncle had one for awhile, mainly because it was unique.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2002-10-04 06:11pm

MKSheppard wrote: The other theory (and more plausible) is that the antis always have at
least several gun control laws floating around in the hopper, ready
to be deployed when stuff like this happens....you CAN hold a bill
for quite a while before it must be voted on....

I could certainly buy that. Are there any politicians or political group that
won't take advantage of any situation if it will advance their agenda?
I can picture people (under this theory) justitying their actions because
later down the road it will save more people.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-10-04 06:16pm

Tsyroc wrote: I can picture people (under this theory) justitying their actions because
later down the road it will save more people.

Go here:

www.ehrlichandguns.com
This guy is possibly our next Governor of MD! Kathaleen Kennedy Townsend
may have pissed off too many people to win........

http://www.bradycampaign.org/press/rele ... Record=423

Memorable quotes:

"As a Maryland citizen, and most importantly, a mother of three, I will do everything necessary to ensure that Bob Ehrlich's shameful record on guns is exposed," said Lillian Pubillones Nolan, President of the Montgomery County chapter of the Million Mom March. "He can't hide under the guise of moderation for long. We know he has close friends at the National Rifle Association, and those friends are more important to him than the safety of the neighborhoods where our children play."

...........

Robert Ehrlich's poor record on gun violence prevention is not restricted to his years in Congress. As a Maryland state legislator, he voted against Maryland's landmark ban on Saturday Night Specials in 1988. Furthermore, Ehrlich supported the National Rifle Association's attempt to repeal the Saturday Night Special law later that year via a citizen referendum. Robert Ehrlich led the fight against Maryland's ban on assault weapons, voting against this lifesaving legislation in 1994. As a member of the Judiciary Committee, Ehrlich spoke out against the bill and tried to corral votes in committee to defeat it.

.........

And just last week, the Baltimore Sun and the Washington Post reported that Robert Ehrlich wants to review some of Maryland's lifesaving gun laws with "an eye toward getting rid of them." He is considering cutting the funding for the ballistic fingerprinting law, and for the panel that helps implement Maryland's life-saving Saturday Night Special Ban.

I love how they keep repeating 'lifesaving' over and over...what their
LIFESAVING saturday night special law means is that you can't
buy any handgun in MD next year that doesn't have a trigger lock
built in....and there are only TWO models on the market I think
that have this feature......defacto gun ban......

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-10-04 06:18pm

Tsyroc wrote:
MKSheppard wrote: The other theory (and more plausible) is that the antis always have at
least several gun control laws floating around in the hopper, ready
to be deployed when stuff like this happens....you CAN hold a bill
for quite a while before it must be voted on....
I could certainly buy that. Are there any politicians or political group that
won't take advantage of any situation if it will advance their agenda?
I can picture people (under this theory) justitying their actions because
later down the road it will save more people.

Ummmmm ... how is that different from Shep himself, trying to use these senseless killings as an excuse to peddle HIS political agenda? <sniff sniff> do I smell the acrid stench of hypocrisy in the air?

Face it: you can't stop terrorism through deterrent, for the simple reason that the terrorist only wants to kill randomly. Here's how you kill people in a van: you put ultra-black tint on all the windows. You stop. You rig up a small stand in your van to balance the front of the gun. You crack open the window. You look through your sights or scope and pick out a target. You take one shot. You roll the window back up and drive away. Unless someone happens to be staring right at the van, nobody even knows where the shot came from. Rinse and repeat. And how the fuck do you stop something like that?

The worst part is that with the bizarre crime-worship culture of America, there WILL be copycats.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2002-10-04 06:25pm

Face it: you can't stop terrorism through deterrent, for the simple reason that the terrorist only wants to kill randomly

Terrorism is also the only way for lesser countries or groups to counter the power of the American military. B-2 bombers cant stop a sniper on the street corner.

I wonder if this is a terrorist action, does not "feel" like one, but who knows.
Im sure the people Maryland are scared. Shit, I would not feel comfortable being out in public with random shootings going on. Even if the odds of getting shot are low.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-10-04 06:33pm

Darth Wong wrote: Ummmmm ... how is that different from Shep himself, trying to use these senseless killings as an excuse to peddle HIS political agenda? <sniff sniff> do I smell the acrid stench of hypocrisy in the air?

The difference is, I am not trying to take away Americans' freedoms by
capitalizing on a tragedy, like the Brady Bunch are.......

Face it: you can't stop terrorism through deterrent, for the simple reason that the terrorist only wants to kill randomly. Here's how you kill people in a van: you put ultra-black tint on all the windows. You stop. You rig up a small stand in your van to balance the front of the gun. You crack open the window. You look through your sights or scope and pick out a target. You take one shot. You roll the window back up and drive away. Unless someone happens to be staring right at the van, nobody even knows where the shot came from. Rinse and repeat. And how the fuck do you stop something like that?

Enough people saw that white truck the first time to get a description
of it out to the police, and pretty soon in your example, a darkly tinted
van is going to be splashed all over the news and you will be pulled
over by the police and shot as you resist arrest.

They were setting up roadblocks and pulling over every white truck
yesterday. The appropriate way to respond to such a killer is by
establishing a rapid response unit from the various State Police
Helicopter units...they can be on scene in minutes....and spotting
every vehicle that matches your hypothetical van for the cops below.

BTW, been watching a little too much THE JACKAL on DVD lately, MIke?

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2002-10-04 06:33pm

Darth Wong wrote: Ummmmm ... how is that different from Shep himself, trying to use these senseless killings as an excuse to peddle HIS political agenda? <sniff sniff> do I smell the acrid stench of hypocrisy in the air?

Good point. I guess the only difference in this situation is whether someone is on the offensive or just being defensive. In Shep's case
he might fit both.

Darth Wong wrote: Face it: you can't stop terrorism through deterrent, for the simple reason that the terrorist only wants to kill randomly. Here's how you kill people in a van: you put ultra-black tint on all the windows. You stop. You rig up a small stand in your van to balance the front of the gun. You crack open the window. You look through your sights or scope and pick out a target. You take one shot. You roll the window back up and drive away. Unless someone happens to be staring right at the van, nobody even knows where the shot came from. Rinse and repeat. And how the fuck do you stop something like that?

You take absolutely all the guns from everyone (fat chance) and then wait for the wackos to find something else to kill people with, like racing fuel and fertilizer.

The worst part is that with the bizarre crime-worship culture of America, there WILL be copycats.

Yeah, aint that a bitch. Remember when people first started poisoning Tylenol and other medications on store shelves? There were copycats on that.