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Let me make this loud and clear to all of you

Posted: 2003-11-24 01:10am
by LT.Hit-Man
I am not a canibal at lest not yet and the the only way I would is if it be came on is if it was not only leagl but safe as well.
With the advent of cloning I think that human meat would become a food staple in the next fifty to a hundread years from now I mean with the rate of human popluation growth we will run out of food realy fast, as far as I can recall the number of human beings on earth is somewhere around 7-7.5 billion and so far we have not made any kind of effort to inhabit other worlds we do have a means of doing so with a bit of refinment but so far it seems to me that most of the nations on earth are just content to fuck around play silly power games with on another wile the world is going down the shitter so when times get though and there's not enough food or space to go around what well the human race do then?
So I'm all for the idea of vat grown human meat.

But untill then I'll just have to be content with more mundane food items for consumption.

If anyone has a problem with the way I see things that's fine with me, hell if you wish to make your ojections known about the way I see things I'm cool with that but if asny of you are going to start flaming me for this instead of talking to me like a normal and clam human being then fuck off, I don't make a habit of roasting someone because I diagree with what they say or how they see things so I would like the same respitic that I try to show everyone ok?

BTW if this get's posted twice it's because my computer is having a fit. so ignor this if it comes up a second time

Posted: 2003-11-24 01:14am
by Sea Skimmer
Why the fuck would be bother cloning humans for food? That makes no sense; we could just keep breeding animals. And the world has slightly over 6 billion people.

Posted: 2003-11-24 01:16am
by Gandalf
1. The pop. of the Earth is about 6 billion.

2. I've got no beef with cannibalism. I'm very tempted to have a crack at it. Except for the whole illegality thing.

Posted: 2003-11-24 01:17am
by Stravo
What...the...fuck...is...WRONG...with..you...people????? :wtf:

Posted: 2003-11-24 01:19am
by Rogue 9
Let me make this perfectly clear to you. Cannibalism is:

1.) Morally wrong

2.) Extremely unhealthy

3.) Unnecessary

4.) Inferior to other meat by the description of any actual cannibal; eating human flesh was usually used by tribal societies for ceremonial purposes, not as a primary food source

Why on Earth do you have this obsession with cannibalism? Its bizarre. There are myriad reasons not to cannibalize, and almost no reason to do so.

Posted: 2003-11-24 01:20am
by Nathan F
Stravo wrote:What...the...fuck...is...WRONG...with..you...people????? :wtf:
At risk of being a me-tooer...SECONDED.

If you have the ability to clone something, clone a damn Angus beef cow!

Posted: 2003-11-24 01:26am
by LT.Hit-Man
Sea Skimmer wrote:Why the fuck would be bother cloning humans for food? That makes no sense; we could just keep breeding animals. And the world has slightly over 6 billion people.

You maybe right on that but it seems to me that given the growth rate of the human poplation we would not be able to produce enough food by breeding and cloning animals.
At lest 6 billion is better the 7 billion

Posted: 2003-11-24 01:28am
by Rogue 9
You maybe right on that but it seems to me that given the growth rate of the human poplation we would not be able to produce enough food by breeding and cloning animals.

So you suggest breeding or cloning humans to eat instead? How would that work any better, Einstein?

Re: Let me make this loud and clear to all of you

Posted: 2003-11-24 01:29am
by fgalkin
LT.Hit-Man wrote:I am not a canibal at lest not yet and the the only way I would is if it be came on is if it was not only leagl but safe as well.
With the advent of cloning I think that human meat would become a food staple in the next fifty to a hundread years from now I mean with the rate of human popluation growth we will run out of food realy fast, as far as I can recall the number of human beings on earth is somewhere around 7-7.5 billion and so far we have not made any kind of effort to inhabit other worlds we do have a means of doing so with a bit of refinment but so far it seems to me that most of the nations on earth are just content to fuck around play silly power games with on another wile the world is going down the shitter so when times get though and there's not enough food or space to go around what well the human race do then?
So I'm all for the idea of vat grown human meat.

But untill then I'll just have to be content with more mundane food items for consumption.

If anyone has a problem with the way I see things that's fine with me, hell if you wish to make your ojections known about the way I see things I'm cool with that but if asny of you are going to start flaming me for this instead of talking to me like a normal and clam human being then fuck off, I don't make a habit of roasting someone because I diagree with what they say or how they see things so I would like the same respitic that I try to show everyone ok?

BTW if this get's posted twice it's because my computer is having a fit. so ignor this if it comes up a second time
Yes, Mr. Canibal..... Whatever you say. :P

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Posted: 2003-11-24 01:30am
by Joe
I am not a canibal at lest not yet and the the only way I would is if it be came on is if it was not only leagl but safe as well.
With the advent of cloning I think that human meat would become a food staple in the next fifty to a hundread years from now I mean with the rate of human popluation growth we will run out of food realy fast, as far as I can recall the number of human beings on earth is somewhere around 7-7.5 billion and so far we have not made any kind of effort to inhabit other worlds we do have a means of doing so with a bit of refinment but so far it seems to me that most of the nations on earth are just content to fuck around play silly power games with on another wile the world is going down the shitter so when times get though and there's not enough food or space to go around what well the human race do then?
So I'm all for the idea of vat grown human meat.
I seriously had to make sure I wasn't asleep and dreaming when I read this, because this is some crazy shit.
But untill then I'll just have to be content with more mundane food items for consumption.
How selfless of you.
If anyone has a problem with the way I see things that's fine with me, hell if you wish to make your ojections known about the way I see things I'm cool with that but if asny of you are going to start flaming me for this instead of talking to me like a normal and clam human being then fuck off, I don't make a habit of roasting someone because I diagree with what they say or how they see things so I would like the same respitic that I try to show everyone ok?
Honestly, Hitman. This is SDNet, that doesn't fly here; if you want to have controversial opinions you can't defend, prepare to be flamed.

Posted: 2003-11-24 01:41am
by LT.Hit-Man
Durran Korr becuase this is SD net and most of the people here are open minded enough that disteastful sujects can be talked about here in a clam and reasonble manor that none of us should have to resort to flaming becuase some of us happens to disgree with what someone is talking about here, you see me as a sick freak right, that's fine with me and if you want to tell me that to my face so to speak that's cool too be at lest have the decency to do that in a reasonbel way.
Is that to much to ask for?

BTW I'm not singling you out becuase you happen to disgree with my thoughts on a given subject that you find revolting I'm just talking with you like any other sane and level headed human being would to another human being ok?

Posted: 2003-11-24 01:42am
by Sarevok
I am not a canibal at lest not yet and the the only way I would is if it be came on is if it was not only leagl but safe as well.
Let's hope it does not hapen.
With the advent of cloning I think that human meat would become a food staple in the next fifty to a hundread years from now
Eating human meat is unhealthy besides being unethical and immoral. Cloned humans are just people like us. They are human down to the last bits of genetic code. Eating a cloned human is no different than killing someone and eating him / her.
If you have the ability to clone something, clone a damn Angus beef cow!
As Nathan said why not clone animals for food instead ?
You maybe right on that but it seems to me that given the growth rate of the human poplation we would not be able to produce enough food by breeding and cloning animals.
Cloning animals is easier and cheaper than humans. We have no solid proof of human clones but witness the large number of cloned animals.

Posted: 2003-11-24 01:45am
by Sea Skimmer
LT.Hit-Man wrote:
You maybe right on that but it seems to me that given the growth rate of the human poplation we would not be able to produce enough food by breeding and cloning animals.
At lest 6 billion is better the 7 billion
Humans grow very slowly compared to most animals we currently eat. I say again cloning humans for food makes no sense regardless of any moral or health concerns.

Posted: 2003-11-24 01:56am
by LT.Hit-Man
Rogue 9 wrote:
You maybe right on that but it seems to me that given the growth rate of the human poplation we would not be able to produce enough food by breeding and cloning animals.

So you suggest breeding or cloning humans to eat instead? How would that work any better, Einstein?
I'm glad you asked Rouge 9.
How that would be better is very simple realy, when and if we do get to the point where humans can be cloned in a tank how says we would need to clone a whole human being, just clone the best parts of the human body that would be fit for consumption and to put this in to contex with my post that you have replyed to a hungery person is a very dangerous person who would resort to killing and eatting a living self aware human being so in order to prevent that from happing cloning human meat would be a far better altunrtive then the mas choas and murder by hungry disprite people.
Right?

Posted: 2003-11-24 02:08am
by SeebianWurm
LT.Hit-Man wrote: How that would be better is very simple realy, when and if we do get to the point where humans can be cloned in a tank how says we would need to clone a whole human being, just clone the best parts of the human body that would be fit for consumption and to put this in to contex with my post that you have replyed to a hungery person is a very dangerous person who would resort to killing and eatting a living self aware human being so in order to prevent that from happing cloning human meat would be a far better altunrtive then the mas choas and murder by hungry disprite people.
Right?
You seem to be completely ignoring the fact that it would be just as easy, much less controversial, and morally almost unchallenged to clone only the parts of animals we want to eat.

There is no reason to eat human meat, barring starvation scenarios. And the one you've constructed quite simply isn't.

Posted: 2003-11-24 02:15am
by Rye
I don't see why we couldn't just grow different animal fleshes in big vats and sell that off, or perhaps with bones in for that old-skool off the drumstick feel. Human meat wouldn't be necessary, but i don't see why it would be immoral to eat cloned human meat, as long as it wasn't slaughtered from a human.

It'd probablyt taste nice too, since it has everything a human needs in it.

P.S Hitman, you're cool. :D

Posted: 2003-11-24 02:19am
by Gandalf
Rye wrote:P.S Hitman, you're cool. :D
When the time comes for a CT he should get Resident Cannibal or some such. :D

Posted: 2003-11-24 02:19am
by LT.Hit-Man
SeebianWurm wrote:
LT.Hit-Man wrote: How that would be better is very simple realy, when and if we do get to the point where humans can be cloned in a tank how says we would need to clone a whole human being, just clone the best parts of the human body that would be fit for consumption and to put this in to contex with my post that you have replyed to a hungery person is a very dangerous person who would resort to killing and eatting a living self aware human being so in order to prevent that from happing cloning human meat would be a far better altunrtive then the mas choas and murder by hungry disprite people.
Right?
You seem to be completely ignoring the fact that it would be just as easy, much less controversial, and morally almost unchallenged to clone only the parts of animals we want to eat.

There is no reason to eat human meat, barring starvation scenarios. And the one you've constructed quite simply isn't.
Well if it's so easy to clone animals then why the hell do we have so many starving people in the world?

Posted: 2003-11-24 02:28am
by SeebianWurm
LT.Hit-Man wrote: Well if it's so easy to clone animals then why the hell do we have so many starving people in the world?
It's not so easy. I was speaking in the same hypothetical scenario you were - that of cloning being an easy and viable method.

Posted: 2003-11-24 02:30am
by Darth Wong
LT.Hit-Man wrote:Well if it's so easy to clone animals then why the hell do we have so many starving people in the world?
Who needs cloning? It's easy to raise animals the old-fashioned way too, but the problem is that you have to feed the animals. It is extremely resource-intensive to raise livestock because you need to grow so much grain in order to feed them.

As for vat-grown human meat, that's simply insane. There are numerous very serious diseases that come from animal cannibalism (mad cow disease tends to sprout up after cows are given beef), so why would we want to do it with human meat?

There are also social issues. Today, if officers find traces of human flesh somewhere, they figure it was a murder. If human meat were widely consumed, it would be ridiculously easy to get rid of evidence after killing somebody.

Posted: 2003-11-24 02:36am
by Sarevok
Well if it's so easy to clone animals then why the hell do we have so many starving people in the world?
Cloning animals is expensive but they are cheaper and simpler than cloning humans. So it would be better both moraly and economicaly to eat animals.

BTW are you suggesting that we reduce starvation by legalizing cannibalism ?

Posted: 2003-11-24 02:46am
by Utsanomiko
LT.Hit-Man wrote:Well if it's so easy to clone animals then why the hell do we have so many starving people in the world?
Wow, talk about fallacious argumenting. I do believe the important concept here to understand is 'easier' does not equal 'currently able to do effectively'. If I said building Island III O'Neil Space colonies was easier than terraforming and moving to Mars, asking 'then why don't we already have space colonies?' is not a logical responce.

If and when we start growing flesh (sans the rest of the living thing) in vats for consuption, why the hell would we pick not only the least ethical meat, but the least healthy and poorest tasing (as mentioned above. It's been equated to similar but below spam, from accounts I'm familiar with)? Is that just pointless or what? If that's what you need to excuse your either twisted fantasies or your attention-getting devices, it really ought to get a better footing or get thicker veiling.

Posted: 2003-11-24 02:58am
by LT.Hit-Man
Darth Utsanomiko wrote:
LT.Hit-Man wrote:Well if it's so easy to clone animals then why the hell do we have so many starving people in the world?
Wow, talk about fallacious argumenting. I do believe the important concept here to understand is 'easier' does not equal 'currently able to do effectively'. If I said building Island III O'Neil Space colonies was easier than terraforming and moving to Mars, asking 'then why don't we already have space colonies?' is not a logical responce.

If and when we start growing flesh (sans the rest of the living thing) in vats for consuption, why the hell would we pick not only the least ethical meat, but the least healthy and poorest tasing (as mentioned above. It's been equated to similar but below spam, from accounts I'm familiar with)? Is that just pointless or what? If that's what you need to excuse your either twisted fantasies or your attention-getting devices, it really ought to get a better footing or get thicker veiling.

Well think about this when and if we get to the point where human body parts can be cloned with out the rest of the person then it should be an easy matter to make a few gentic tweaks to the meat so that it gorws fast healther and better tasting and by the time it got to that point could it realy be called human, the same thing could be said about cloned animal meat?

And there is a very big deftrance between cloning an animal and terafrom mars and what not, I mean everyone seems to think that all this bio tech crap that we keep coming up with is going to make our lives easer and better then way has it not already done so.

Posted: 2003-11-24 03:07am
by Sea Skimmer
LT.Hit-Man wrote:
Well think about this when and if we get to the point where human body parts can be cloned with out the rest of the person then it should be an easy matter to make a few gentic tweaks to the meat so that it gorws fast healther and better tasting and by the time it got to that point could it realy be called human, the same thing could be said about cloned animal meat?
Logic is clearly not getting through. Animals already grow faster and are healthier and taste better. There is no reason in hell why we should waste a huge amount of resources to engineer a human body in ways, which are likely not possibul simply to duplicate what we already have.
And there is a very big deftrance between cloning an animal and terafrom mars and what not, I mean everyone seems to think that all this bio tech crap that we keep coming up with is going to make our lives easer and better then way has it not already done so.
Biotech has already improved life, at least for the developed world, in many ways and dozens of modified crops and animals are on the market. Though you might have noticed their vast campaign AGAINST food's like corn , which has, have been slightly genetically modified. If people won't trust that how the hell do you expect anyone to eat human flesh, which has been extensively modified?

Lets just go over it one more time. There is not a single reason to genetically modify human flesh and produce it for consumption. There are zero advantages and massive overwhelming drawbacks.

Posted: 2003-11-24 03:09am
by Sarevok
Well think about this when and if we get to the point where human body parts can be cloned with out the rest of the person then it should be an easy matter to make a few gentic tweaks to the meat so that it gorws fast healther and better tasting and by the time it got to that point could it realy be called human, the same thing could be said about cloned animal meat?
Prove you can make such changes to human DNA. If it was so easy to change the DNA then it would be possible to create flying humans with wings.

God all these talk of eating humans making me feel sick.