to our gay members

Tosho · Post by **Tosho** » 2002-10-06 04:33pm

http://www.creationweb.org/viewtopic.php?t=129
have fun destroying their homophobic little fantasy.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-10-06 04:37pm

here's a statement for you:

For Creationists and evolutionists alike we have a common consensus: We are on this earth to procreate. Homosexuality does not produce life; instead, only temporary pleasure for some. If humans evolved from a lesser animal, did humans also evolve into homosexuality? If this activity were common in the animal kingdom, wouldn’t we have a minuscule population today?
Ask any honest doctor that practices in a predominately homosexual community and he will describe for you the very serious health issues arising from homosexual activity.
Ask any honest cop that patrols in a predominately homosexual community about the incidence of domestic violence. In no other group of people is there even a close second to the severity, or the frequency of violence that occurs amongst homosexuals.
Drug & alcohol abuse, suicides, severe psychological disorders are all higher in the homosexual communities.
And of course, heterosexuals are mostly to blame because of their non-acceptance or non-approval of the homosexual lifestyle. Such is our lot in life I guess.
Just like the entire animal kingdom, our preference is for the opposite sex, and our natural goal is for procreation. And we are expected to recognize same-sex unions as normal and healthy, when all of the evidence points to the contrary? I don't think so.
We Creationists are often called naïve and intellectually dishonest (and many other things, I’m sure) because in the face of so much evolutionary evidence we insist upon our beliefs regardless.
How is this different for the homosexual?
There are many who leave the homosexual lifestyle, marry, have children, and live healthy heterosexual lifestyles. And there are those who try to leave… and fail. And of course there are those who make every attempt to make this lifestyle work.
I have no problem with this. It is their life, after all. But, it is wrong for them to expect, and especially for them to demand that heterosexuals call what they see as abnormal and destructive, otherwise. We certainly don’t demand that evolutionists believe in a literal 6 day Creation . They have their evidence, and we have ours. The same should go for sexual preferences.
stp

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-06 04:42pm

that was you, Talen?

Hyperion · Post by **Hyperion** » 2002-10-06 04:44pm

i'm gonna have me some fun now... damned buggers can't get it thru their head that some people are HARDWIRED that way!!!

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-10-06 04:56pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:here's a statement for you:

I'll assume that means you quoted it from the aforementioned site rather than writing it yourself. Otherwise, we'll have to beat you with rubber hoses.

For Creationists and evolutionists alike we have a common consensus: We are on this earth to procreate.

Actually, with 6 billion of us already here, that is no longer an imperative. Even if only one half of us procreate, the species is more than numerous enough.

Homosexuality does not produce life; instead, only temporary pleasure for some. If humans evolved from a lesser animal, did humans also evolve into homosexuality? If this activity were common in the animal kingdom, wouldn’t we have a minuscule population today?

Homosexuality is common in the animal kingdom (obviously, this guy has never seen a male dog in action).

Ask any honest doctor that practices in a predominately homosexual community and he will describe for you the very serious health issues arising from homosexual activity.

Appeal to anecdotal evidence.

Ask any honest cop that patrols in a predominately homosexual community about the incidence of domestic violence. In no other group of people is there even a close second to the severity, or the frequency of violence that occurs amongst homosexuals.

I like the way it doesn't occur to him that a "predominantly homosexual" community is probably going to be full of flaming queens rather than low-key homosexuals, and that this in no way legitimizes an attempt to generalize from their example.

Drug & alcohol abuse, suicides, severe psychological disorders are all higher in the homosexual communities.

And of course, heterosexuals are mostly to blame because of their non-acceptance or non-approval of the homosexual lifestyle. Such is our lot in life I guess.

Notice how he makes no effort to explain what's wrong with the prevailing theory that intolerance leads to these psychological problems.

Just like the entire animal kingdom, our preference is for the opposite sex, and our natural goal is for procreation. And we are expected to recognize same-sex unions as normal and healthy, when all of the evidence points to the contrary? I don't think so.

The vague "common knowledge" evidence to which he alludes, riddled as it is with logical fallacies? Oh yeah, that evidence

We Creationists are often called naïve and intellectually dishonest (and many other things, I’m sure) because in the face of so much evolutionary evidence we insist upon our beliefs regardless.

Interesting. He acknowledges that he insists upon his belief despite the evidence.

How is this different for the homosexual?

There are many who leave the homosexual lifestyle, marry, have children, and live healthy heterosexual lifestyles. And there are those who try to leave… and fail. And of course there are those who make every attempt to make this lifestyle work.

Actually, the incidence of successful "conversions" is ridiculously low. Many of the Christian "poster boy" examples have had serious marital problems and relapses into their natural behaviour. It's like conditioning a dog to eat dry dog food. He'll eat it, and if you carefully control his every move, he might even seem fulfilled. But if left to his own devices without repression, he'll want that big juicy T-bone steak.

I have no problem with this. It is their life, after all. But, it is wrong for them to expect, and especially for them to demand that heterosexuals call what they see as abnormal and destructive, otherwise.

How is it destructive to be homosexual? Can anyone say "false cause fallacy?" "Hasty generalization?"

We certainly don’t demand that evolutionists believe in a literal 6 day Creation . They have their evidence, and we have ours.

We have scientific evidence, they have Biblical evidence. One of them is based on reality, the other is based on fantasy. I like the way he tries to make it seem as if they're on equal footing.

The same should go for sexual preferences.

So it's OK to tell people they're wicked and evil even if they're not hurting anyone? I don't see how this follows, but then again, I don't see how any of the right-wing gay-bashing intolerant bullshit follows.

Hyperion · Post by **Hyperion** » 2002-10-06 05:01pm

i did find it interesting that they proved scientifically that homosexuality is indeed a biproduct of overpopulation. they did the test using an uncontrolled rat population, the same effects started showing up. (including random killing and cannibalism, but that's not the point here...

)

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-10-06 05:03pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:here's a statement for you:
I'll assume that means you quoted it from the aforementioned site rather than writing it yourself. Otherwise, we'll have to beat you with rubber hoses.

It is a quote from that thread but from an unknown guest..

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-06 05:05pm

That;s why we're wondering if he popped in and said it.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-10-06 05:34pm

HOMOSEXUALS ARE GAY!

Cookie if you know the refrence.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-06 05:35pm

salm · Post by **salm** » 2002-10-06 05:40pm

homosexuality is quite common among storks.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-10-06 05:40pm

anarchistbunny wrote:HOMOSEXUALS ARE GAY!

Cookie if you know the refrence.

*insert WTF emoticon here*

Hyperion · Post by **Hyperion** » 2002-10-06 05:44pm

interesting, reduntant redundancy....

salm · Post by **salm** » 2002-10-06 05:50pm

the part where this one guy wants seperate churches and other stuff for gays is quite cool, oh, and by the way how about seperate churches for auto mechanics, colledge students and people who enjoy eating spam at midnight.

Hyperion · Post by **Hyperion** » 2002-10-06 05:52pm

*whoosh* i do beleive that was the sound of whatever you said passing over my head at high warp...

salm · Post by **salm** » 2002-10-06 05:57pm

er... not in this post, the guy called stp one or two posts later.

Hyperion · Post by **Hyperion** » 2002-10-06 05:58pm

there is no one named "stp" in this thread.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2002-10-06 06:02pm

not in THIS thread. this one:

http://www.creationweb.org/viewtopic.php?t=129

tosho posted in the beginning of this thread

btw 500

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-10-06 06:07pm

It irritates me when people reference Corinthians, Romans, Thessolians, etc. as unbreakable laws that Christians must obey. They were letters written by the Apostles. They're useful theological insights, but they ain't holy writ.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-06 06:47pm

the part where this one guy wants seperate churches and other stuff for gays is quite cool, oh, and by the way how about seperate churches for auto mechanics, colledge students and people who enjoy eating spam at midnight.

Why Bother? After all God says...

Leveticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Just a fun remind of that Evil Genocdial Overlord worshiped by Millions

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-10-06 08:36pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:here's a statement for you:
I'll assume that means you quoted it from the aforementioned site rather than writing it yourself. Otherwise, we'll have to beat you with rubber hoses.
For Creationists and evolutionists alike we have a common consensus: We are on this earth to procreate.
Actually, with 6 billion of us already here, that is no longer an imperative. Even if only one half of us procreate, the species is more than numerous enough.
Homosexuality does not produce life; instead, only temporary pleasure for some. If humans evolved from a lesser animal, did humans also evolve into homosexuality? If this activity were common in the animal kingdom, wouldn’t we have a minuscule population today?
Homosexuality is common in the animal kingdom (obviously, this guy has never seen a male dog in action).
Ask any honest doctor that practices in a predominately homosexual community and he will describe for you the very serious health issues arising from homosexual activity.
Appeal to anecdotal evidence.
Ask any honest cop that patrols in a predominately homosexual community about the incidence of domestic violence. In no other group of people is there even a close second to the severity, or the frequency of violence that occurs amongst homosexuals.
I like the way it doesn't occur to him that a "predominantly homosexual" community is probably going to be full of flaming queens rather than low-key homosexuals, and that this in no way legitimizes an attempt to generalize from their example.
Drug & alcohol abuse, suicides, severe psychological disorders are all higher in the homosexual communities.

And of course, heterosexuals are mostly to blame because of their non-acceptance or non-approval of the homosexual lifestyle. Such is our lot in life I guess.
Notice how he makes no effort to explain what's wrong with the prevailing theory that intolerance leads to these psychological problems.
Just like the entire animal kingdom, our preference is for the opposite sex, and our natural goal is for procreation. And we are expected to recognize same-sex unions as normal and healthy, when all of the evidence points to the contrary? I don't think so.
The vague "common knowledge" evidence to which he alludes, riddled as it is with logical fallacies? Oh yeah, that evidence
We Creationists are often called naïve and intellectually dishonest (and many other things, I’m sure) because in the face of so much evolutionary evidence we insist upon our beliefs regardless.
Interesting. He acknowledges that he insists upon his belief despite the evidence.
How is this different for the homosexual?

There are many who leave the homosexual lifestyle, marry, have children, and live healthy heterosexual lifestyles. And there are those who try to leave… and fail. And of course there are those who make every attempt to make this lifestyle work.
Actually, the incidence of successful "conversions" is ridiculously low. Many of the Christian "poster boy" examples have had serious marital problems and relapses into their natural behaviour. It's like conditioning a dog to eat dry dog food. He'll eat it, and if you carefully control his every move, he might even seem fulfilled. But if left to his own devices without repression, he'll want that big juicy T-bone steak.
I have no problem with this. It is their life, after all. But, it is wrong for them to expect, and especially for them to demand that heterosexuals call what they see as abnormal and destructive, otherwise.
How is it destructive to be homosexual? Can anyone say "false cause fallacy?" "Hasty generalization?"
We certainly don’t demand that evolutionists believe in a literal 6 day Creation . They have their evidence, and we have ours.
We have scientific evidence, they have Biblical evidence. One of them is based on reality, the other is based on fantasy. I like the way he tries to make it seem as if they're on equal footing.
The same should go for sexual preferences.
So it's OK to tell people they're wicked and evil even if they're not hurting anyone? I don't see how this follows, but then again, I don't see how any of the right-wing gay-bashing intolerant bullshit follows.

-pokes- of course that wasnt me. I've posted my views on homosexuality before, and shooting them all isn't it.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-10-06 08:37pm

oh good, you know it wasnt me. now I wont be exiled into the hall of shame. I am happy.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-10-06 09:00pm

Ok, you people suck, the Homosexuals are gay! thing is a design at tshirthell.com.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-10-06 09:25pm

Just a fun remind of that Evil Genocdial Overlord worshiped by Millions

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-10-06 09:34pm

Cyril wrote:
Just a fun remind of that Evil Genocdial Overlord worshiped by Millions
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...

My dog Fuzzy? But he has no opposable thumbs, so he can't throw stones.