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We Couldn't Hold Out Any Longer

Posted: 2003-12-10 10:16am
by LadyTevar
Fear the West Virginia StarBucks

Also note the statistics highlighted in the middle of the article, to see how long WV held out against Starbucks.

Starbucks reverie: When the coffee comes homes to roast
By Douglas Imbrogno
STAFF WRITER

You perhaps know by now that Starbucks finally opened (at last, it’s about time, folks, really, come on now) a sit-down, drive-through outlet of the planet’s biggest coffeehouse chain in West Virginia.

It’s true that two teensy Starbucks kiosks have been open for a couple of years on the West Virginia Turnpike. But they offer none of the laid-back, pop-open-your-laptop, bookstore ambience of a sit-down Starbucks.

Hunkering down in a highly caffeinated, yet relaxed place where the help won’t glare at you for hunkering down for aimless lengths of time is a pleasurable way to get your money’s worth for a frothy $4 drink.

So the opening of a Starbucks at the new Merritt Creek Farm shopping center (one exit west of the Barboursville Mall turn-off) was welcome news indeed for we cappuccino-aholics and espresso-heads, who — we admit it — are powerless over our addictions.

And let’s not forget the many people who are suckers for frou-frou Starbucks drinks like Peppermint Mochas and Gingerbread Lattes, which, let’s be honest, are adult milkshakes with only the vaguest connection to coffee (they really should come with little paper parasols).

Personally, I’m notorious in my household for making an exit stage left once I cross the Mountain State borders, aiming for the nearest Starbucks, which are, quite frankly, like everywhere outside of West Virginia.


To appreciate how low, until now, on the coffeehouse food chain West Virginia was viewed by Starbucks World Headquarters, let’s review the numbers:

4,039: Number of Starbucks opened across America and Canada since the chain was founded in 1971, before the first outlet opened in West Virginia.
South Korea, Lebanon, Peru, Qatar, Bahrain, Thailand, Oman: Places that got a Starbucks before West Virginia.
7,225: The Merritt’s Creek outlet is the 7,225th Starbucks on planet Earth, if I read the numbers right (although it’s hard to be exact, since I read somewhere that a new Starbucks opens, like, once every 12 hours somewhere).

The new West Virginia outlet (and an estimated five more outlets company reps say are likely coming to Charleston, Morgantown and Clarksburg in the next two years) also means we’ll have to stay schooled on the Starbucks enemies and boycotters out there.

You could start with the grumpy webmaster of www.Ihatestarbucks.com (“I hate them because their coffee sucks and they are everywhere,” he writes. “You can’t escape them. However, there are plenty of other reasons to hate them ... ”)

These other reasons are worth more attention, with a few caveats from this cappuccino-aholic. In August out in San Franscisco, 17 of the Seattle-based chains outlets were vandalized in what looked to be a prank of a political statement, reported the Los Angeles Times.

“The global economy requires a relentless substitution of quantity over quality and shareholder value over human values,” read a statement pasted to the doors of the Starbucks outlets on fake company letterhead, announcing the buildings were for ‘For Lease.’

The stores were being closed, said the pranksters, as “Starbucks cannot in good conscience guarantee all of our beans meet both our rigorous quality standards as well as our commitment to social responsibility. We are moving over and making room for local coffee bars.”

I am willing to be dissuaded and educated on the following points — that perhaps I am a hapless American consumer duped by a Janus-faced corporation into raping the world’s coffee fields so I can enjoy a ridiculously overpriced cup of joe.

Yet unlike some corporations that give nothing but a head feint to social responsibility, then act otherwise (a certain mega-corporation with ‘We Sell for Less’ splayed across its enormous stores comes to mind) Starbucks has at least got coffee industry fair trade practices and environmental considerations squarely on its radar screens.

Starbucks also deserves serious points for offering a reliable sanctuary, a European style hangout, in a country where the usual consumer experience is hurry-up-and-consume-then-be-gone-quick.

I would be distraught to see the local coffee bar (in this case, Charleston’s culturally essential Taylor Books downtown) close because of a Starbucks opening next door. But I don’t see that happening with Taylor’s savvy Anne Saville at the helm of that wide-ranging institution, which is not wholly dependent on espresso income anyway.

I also must admit a preference for Starbucks burnt beans flavor, not to everyone’s liking. Most coffeemakers roast the coffee until the beans pop once, while Starbucks cooks them past a second pop. This accounts for a flavor that wrinkles my father’s nose in disgust. (Give him Waffle House coffee any day of the week.)

Me, if I’m not making my morning double cappuccino on my home Krups machine with Starbucks beans (or, when I can get them, imported Italian beans, which are even more roasted), you’ll find me hunkered down at the new local Starbucks.

It helps the outlet is within shouting distance of my home.

I’ve already told the family they know where to find me
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Posted: 2003-12-10 10:21am
by Mr Flibble
Crazt West Virginia.

When I read the title and the poster, I thought that you and Sir Nitram had decided you couldnt wait for the wedding and eloped. Sigh, I am disappointed.

Posted: 2003-12-10 10:25am
by Col. Crackpot
Mr Flibble wrote:Crazt West Virginia.

When I read the title and the poster, I thought that you and Sir Nitram had decided you couldnt wait for the wedding and eloped. Sigh, I am disappointed.
lol thats what i thought too!

bah! to hell with starbucks. Never will i give up my morning ritual of a medium french vanilla coffee with cream and sugar from Dunkin Donuts! Never will i buy an overpriced $5 crap-a-chino from gaunt soul patch wearing Fred Durst wannabe.

Posted: 2003-12-10 10:54am
by LadyTevar
Mr Flibble wrote:Crazt West Virginia.

When I read the title and the poster, I thought that you and Sir Nitram had decided you couldnt wait for the wedding and eloped. Sigh, I am disappointed.
Uhh.. no. That takes money, which is something we don't have right now. That's why we're waiting for April, when we'll both have our Tax Returns back :)

Posted: 2003-12-10 11:00am
by Bertie Wooster
I dunno how the hell Starbucks was able to pull it off. How did it make itself an icon of American culture, specifically the corporate/intellectual niche?!

At least with McDonalds and Burger King, you get some tasty food for very cheap and the atmosphere is very casual and family oriented, specifically targeting young children. But with Starbucks the coffee is expensive, and the image it tries to present for itself is overtly pretentious. I'm baffled by the fact it got to be so popular.

I think Starbucks is the cultural legacy of the Dot Com prosperity of the mid-90s.

Posted: 2003-12-10 11:21am
by Peregrin Toker
Bertie Wooster wrote:But with Starbucks the coffee is expensive, and the image it tries to present for itself is overtly pretentious. I'm baffled by the fact it got to be so popular.
Exactly why is Starbucks so expensive?? Their employees aren't particularly highly paid and I don't think the coffee is anything special either, so it's not that which is inflating the prices???

It could be a lack of competition, but I'm not too familiar with the coffeeshop industry.

Posted: 2003-12-10 11:30am
by Bertie Wooster
They make you pay for the trendy, modern decor in which you can sip your coffee and read your newspaper wlong with all the other people in the Starbucks also doing so.

Posted: 2003-12-10 11:35am
by Faram
I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone could drink that pice of shit so called coffe from starbuks.

I had the coffee abstinence badly last time to Thailand. The coffee at the hotel was no good and I saw Starfucks and thought maybe they have decent coffee there?

No such luck. Loads of staff super fast service and great looking gals. But that don’t help when the coffee tastes like shit.

Posted: 2003-12-10 11:43am
by Robert Walper
LadyTevar wrote:
Mr Flibble wrote:Crazt West Virginia.

When I read the title and the poster, I thought that you and Sir Nitram had decided you couldnt wait for the wedding and eloped. Sigh, I am disappointed.
Uhh.. no. That takes money, which is something we don't have right now. That's why we're waiting for April, when we'll both have our Tax Returns back :)
Then may I offer my congradulations beforehand as I will likely miss any post on that topic. :)

Then again, maybe not given SirNitram's Mod Powers and his corruption in using them. :P

Posted: 2003-12-10 09:53pm
by Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi
It's wierd in that some places, there are Starbucks outlets in Starbucks outlets, but there are states that only have a few. Doesn't change the fact that thier coffee is overpriced and overrated.

Posted: 2003-12-10 10:05pm
by HemlockGrey
If you walk into a Starbucks and order plain black bitter coffee, everyone in the building will drop everything and stare at you.

Posted: 2003-12-10 10:37pm
by Wicked Pilot
I wish Laughlin had a starbucks. Del Rio has some no name coffee shop in it's only, patheticly small mall. So in order to get my caff fix while studying for the advanced instruments exam, I have to leave the base, drive 15 minutes into town, go into the mall, avoid all the early teen mexican gansta wannabes, get to the store, and shell out four bucks for what would cost two at a Starbucks, which was better anyway. Goddamnit this place sucks!

Posted: 2003-12-10 10:42pm
by Hamel
4 fucking bucks for a coffee. jesus pt barnum

Posted: 2003-12-11 11:23am
by Tsyroc
Mr Flibble wrote:Crazt West Virginia.

When I read the title and the poster, I thought that you and Sir Nitram had decided you couldnt wait for the wedding and eloped. Sigh, I am disappointed.
That's also what I first thought. :)

My second thought was that it might be some kinky sex thread. :D

Posted: 2003-12-11 11:24am
by Darth Wong
Expensive designer coffee shops. It never ceases to amaze me how some people can invent ways to spend money.

Posted: 2003-12-11 11:26am
by Admiral Valdemar
Darth Wong wrote:Expensive designer coffee shops. It never ceases to amaze me how some people can invent ways to spend money.
"Hey, better get out quick This place is becoming a Starbucks in 5 minutes."
[/Charles Bronson sounding generic Simpsons guy]

Posted: 2003-12-11 11:51am
by Peregrin Toker
Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Expensive designer coffee shops. It never ceases to amaze me how some people can invent ways to spend money.
"Hey, better get out quick This place is becoming a Starbucks in 5 minutes."
[/Charles Bronson sounding generic Simpsons guy]
There is no doubt Starbucks is a pawn of... THE STONECUTTERS!

Posted: 2003-12-11 01:14pm
by SyntaxVorlon
Bertie Wooster wrote:I dunno how the hell Starbucks was able to pull it off. How did it make itself an icon of American culture, specifically the corporate/intellectual niche?!
Three words:
Good Fucking Coffee.

Posted: 2003-12-11 05:05pm
by JodoForce
SyntaxVorlon wrote:
Bertie Wooster wrote:I dunno how the hell Starbucks was able to pull it off. How did it make itself an icon of American culture, specifically the corporate/intellectual niche?!
Three words:
Good Fucking Coffee.
*Points to just about every post above SyntaxVorlon*

Though in all fairness, I have little personal experience with Starbucks coffee. The only thing I bought from them recently is a bag of coffee beans, which I am eating one bean at a time to stay awake while pulling consecutive all-nighters :roll: :evil: :x :cry:

Posted: 2003-12-11 06:10pm
by The Yosemite Bear
SyntaxVorlon wrote:
Bertie Wooster wrote:I dunno how the hell Starbucks was able to pull it off. How did it make itself an icon of American culture, specifically the corporate/intellectual niche?!
Three words:
Good Fucking Coffee.
Starbucks and Pepsi have the exclusive contracts for Yosemite national park as of January 1st....