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A ships and mass question

Posted: 2003-12-28 04:31am
by Shinova
Let's take a stardestroyer.

Now, how mwny stardestroyers would you need for the combined mass to be enough to create 2 black holes?

Or is this even a correct question?

Posted: 2003-12-28 04:32am
by Crayz9000
It depends on how much mass is in that neutronium armor, and whether hypermatter takes up mass...

Posted: 2003-12-28 04:56am
by Sarevok
Two should suffice. Creating a black hole does not require Stellar masses. Even small amounts matter compressed enoguh will create a black hole. Though the mass of a Star Destroyer is unknown it is still sufficient to create a black hole.

Posted: 2003-12-28 05:04am
by kojikun
This sounds like a bad joke..

"How many Stardestroyers does it take to make a blackhole?
Three; one to get compressed, the other to compress it, and a third to rub Trekwhores faces in the fact that the Empire has such awesome power."

:P

Posted: 2003-12-28 05:10am
by Sarevok
A more interesting question would be how many atoms you need to make a black hole ?

Posted: 2003-12-28 05:30am
by Darth Wong
A few solar masses worth.

Posted: 2003-12-28 06:06pm
by Howedar
Many more than a few if we're talking about Sol as one solar mass.

Posted: 2003-12-28 09:19pm
by Beowulf
Howedar wrote:Many more than a few if we're talking about Sol as one solar mass.
To be more precise, a bit over 5 Sol sized masses, IIRC

Posted: 2003-12-28 09:30pm
by kojikun
Atleast two particles are necessary, but only for quantum gravity effects to make a micro black hole that lives a very small amount of time. The smaller the mass, the shorter the blackhole lives, that's why only solar-or-larger mass blackholes can last for a decent amount of time.

Posted: 2003-12-28 10:12pm
by Lancer
kojikun wrote:This sounds like a bad joke..

"How many Stardestroyers does it take to make a blackhole?
Three; one to get compressed, the other to compress it, and a third to rub Trekwhores faces in the fact that the Empire has such awesome power."

:P
And yet the Romulans are able to create and maintain singularaties on a regular basis, despite having roughly the same tech base as the Federation.

Posted: 2003-12-28 10:14pm
by Darth Wong
Matt Huang wrote:And yet the Romulans are able to create and maintain singularaties on a regular basis, despite having roughly the same tech base as the Federation.
Singularities which explode in singularly unimpressive fashion when they are destabilized, even though they should violently release 100% of their energy.

Posted: 2003-12-28 10:15pm
by kojikun
Matt Huang wrote:And yet the Romulans are able to create and maintain singularaties on a regular basis, despite having roughly the same tech base as the Federation.
Singularities are not the same as black holes. Infact, they are not inherently connected. They frequently occur simultaneously, but singularities can exist independent of blackholes (the reverse, however, is not possible). Romulan singularities cannot be true black holes, because they are both small yet prolonged and do ot possess huge gravitational fields.

Posted: 2003-12-29 12:11am
by Pu-239
kojikun wrote:
Matt Huang wrote:And yet the Romulans are able to create and maintain singularaties on a regular basis, despite having roughly the same tech base as the Federation.
Singularities are not the same as black holes. Infact, they are not inherently connected. They frequently occur simultaneously, but singularities can exist independent of blackholes (the reverse, however, is not possible). Romulan singularities cannot be true black holes, because they are both small yet prolonged and do ot possess huge gravitational fields.
Couldn't they have very small masses compressed, with matter constantly fed in to prevent them from disappearing with violent effects?

Posted: 2003-12-29 12:12am
by SirNitram
Hypermatter, being millions of times more dense than the threshold for a black hole, would easily handle this.

Posted: 2003-12-29 02:58am
by SyntaxVorlon
Compress anything enough and it can be turned into a black hole. If you compress a human to a volume less than that of an electron, you get a black hole. For the earth it would be around the size of a marble. Not very stable, but you still get a black hole.

Posted: 2003-12-29 03:18am
by Einhander Sn0m4n
kojikun wrote:This sounds like a bad joke..

"How many Stardestroyers does it take to make a blackhole?
Three; one to get compressed, the other to compress it, and a third to rub Trekwhores faces in the fact that the Empire has such awesome power."

:P
FUQ.

Posted: 2003-12-29 04:36am
by Sarevok
kojikun wrote:Atleast two particles are necessary, but only for quantum gravity effects to make a micro black hole that lives a very small amount of time. The smaller the mass, the shorter the blackhole lives, that's why only solar-or-larger mass blackholes can last for a decent amount of time.
I heard blackholes radiate their mass as hawking radiation over time. So micro black hole would evaporate quicker than a big one. Right ?