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A Hypothetical Question

Posted: 2003-12-29 12:49am
by russellb6666
ok Hypathetically if some one had Kazaa and Hypothetically wanted to dl some Beethoven could said person hypothetically get in any trouble??

Posted: 2003-12-29 12:51am
by The Cleric
Hypothetically, yes, as it is performed by an hypothetical orchestra. But hypotheitically, your hypothetical chances of getting hypothetically caught are hypothetically low. Hypothetically.

Posted: 2003-12-29 12:54am
by Gandalf
This is stupid, hypothetically of course.

Posted: 2003-12-29 12:54am
by russellb6666
StormTrooperTR889 wrote:Hypothetically, yes, as it is performed by an hypothetical orchestra. But hypotheitically, your hypothetical chances of getting hypothetically caught are hypothetically low. Hypothetically.
ok because hypothetically I figured since the dude is dead and all of his stuff was created before the RIAA existed and he was foreign Hypothetically I figured it was a safer bet than hypothetically dl some Ozzy or something similar

Posted: 2003-12-29 12:59am
by russellb6666
Gandalf wrote:This is stupid, hypothetically of course.
and with all due hypothetical respepect shhhhhhh :lol: :wink:


j/k

Posted: 2003-12-29 01:11am
by AnimeJet
This makes my head hurt.. the word "hypothetically" now has no meaning to me..

Posted: 2003-12-29 01:13am
by DPDarkPrimus
You have a lot less to worry about.

See?

Posted: 2003-12-29 02:38am
by SyntaxVorlon
DP that is the most wonderful present I've gotten for christmas...right after the new comp and Russell, but its up there.
You make me want to kiss your the subject of your avatar.

Posted: 2003-12-29 02:42am
by russellb6666
DPDarkPrimus wrote:You have a lot less to worry about.

See?
YEAH!!!! SWEEEET!!!!! hypothetically of course

Posted: 2003-12-29 01:52pm
by aerius
Hypothetically, you should move to Canada.

Posted: 2003-12-29 02:06pm
by Montcalm
aerius wrote:Hypothetically, you should move to Canada.
And hypothetically touching yourself at night.

[size=0]Could`nt resist i had to say it[/size] :lol:

Posted: 2003-12-29 02:49pm
by russellb6666
aerius wrote:Hypothetically, you should move to Canada.
yeah I should...........hypothetically..... :D

Posted: 2003-12-29 03:20pm
by CmdrWilkens
Hypothetically I might just smack the next person who says hypothetically upside their hypothetical head :D

Posted: 2003-12-29 03:27pm
by General Zod
well, beethoven i believe is considered public domain by now. considering how old his works are. though if it's something more modern then i wouldn't get your hopes up. course the only way for someone else to figure out what you have on your hard drive (that i'm aware of) is if you set your file sharing option to share. of course that will make people less likely to share other files with you if you aren't sharing.

Posted: 2003-12-29 03:32pm
by CmdrWilkens
Darth_Zod wrote:well, beethoven i believe is considered public domain by now. considering how old his works are. though if it's something more modern then i wouldn't get your hopes up. course the only way for someone else to figure out what you have on your hard drive (that i'm aware of) is if you set your file sharing option to share. of course that will make people less likely to share other files with you if you aren't sharing.
The songs themselves (as originally composed and arranged by Beethoven) are public domain...however the arrangemtn and performance by modern orchestras are NOT in the public domain. basically once you take a piece of music and perform it (especially if you arrange it even slightly different than it originally appeared) then the new arrangement can be copyrighted to you.

Re: A Hypothetical Question

Posted: 2003-12-29 05:05pm
by GrandMasterTerwynn
russellb6666 wrote:ok Hypathetically if some one had Kazaa and Hypothetically wanted to dl some Beethoven could said person hypothetically get in any trouble??
Yes. Beethoven might just be sheet music, but the modern performer can copyright their particular arrangement. So yes, it is still quite illegal in the United States and in some places in Europe.

Re: A Hypothetical Question

Posted: 2003-12-29 05:11pm
by Soontir C'boath
GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:
russellb6666 wrote:ok Hypathetically if some one had Kazaa and Hypothetically wanted to dl some Beethoven could said person hypothetically get in any trouble??
Yes. Beethoven might just be sheet music, but the modern performer can copyright their particular arrangement. So yes, it is still quite illegal in the United States and in some places in Europe.
And that's if you download those new versions and not the original variant itself. :P~Jason

Re: A Hypothetical Question

Posted: 2003-12-29 06:52pm
by CmdrWilkens
Soontir C'boath wrote:
GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:
russellb6666 wrote:ok Hypathetically if some one had Kazaa and Hypothetically wanted to dl some Beethoven could said person hypothetically get in any trouble??
Yes. Beethoven might just be sheet music, but the modern performer can copyright their particular arrangement. So yes, it is still quite illegal in the United States and in some places in Europe.
And that's if you download those new versions and not the original variant itself. :P~Jason
Well unless you have a file of a performance more than 100 years old then the perfomrance ITSELF is copyrighted material of the performer. In other words there is no such file out there.

Posted: 2003-12-29 06:59pm
by russellb6666
ok new question if someone were to purchase a classical music CD would the cash from said CD help the RIAA or simpley go to the orchestra or group that performed it. Because I don't want to give any money to those RIAA facist fucktard asswipes but I wouldn't mind it going towards someone who deserves it

Posted: 2003-12-29 06:59pm
by DPDarkPrimus
SyntaxVorlon wrote:DP that is the most wonderful present I've gotten for christmas...right after the new comp and Russell, but its up there.
Then you owe me. :wink:
You make me want to kiss your the subject of your avatar.
She's mine. Back off. :P

Posted: 2003-12-29 07:12pm
by CmdrWilkens
russellb6666 wrote:ok new question if someone were to purchase a classical music CD would the cash from said CD help the RIAA or simpley go to the orchestra or group that performed it. Because I don't want to give any money to those RIAA facist fucktard asswipes but I wouldn't mind it going towards someone who deserves it
The money would go to the retailer you bought the durn CD from. That retailer has already sent money to the record company which rleased the classical music CD/ The record company then pays out a portion fo the proceeds from sales to the orchestra (as determiend by their contractual arrangement) and then uses the rest for its own internal puposes. Those include slaries, promotion AND RIAA fees. So yes a SMALL percentage (probably about as much as what the 2nd Violinist would make off of the CD sale) goes to the RIAA.

Posted: 2003-12-29 08:25pm
by russellb6666
CmdrWilkens wrote:
russellb6666 wrote:ok new question if someone were to purchase a classical music CD would the cash from said CD help the RIAA or simpley go to the orchestra or group that performed it. Because I don't want to give any money to those RIAA facist fucktard asswipes but I wouldn't mind it going towards someone who deserves it
The money would go to the retailer you bought the durn CD from. That retailer has already sent money to the record company which rleased the classical music CD/ The record company then pays out a portion fo the proceeds from sales to the orchestra (as determiend by their contractual arrangement) and then uses the rest for its own internal puposes. Those include slaries, promotion AND RIAA fees. So yes a SMALL percentage (probably about as much as what the 2nd Violinist would make off of the CD sale) goes to the RIAA.
ok that sounds reasonable.....but what does a 2nd Violinist make off CD sales??

Posted: 2003-12-29 11:54pm
by CmdrWilkens
russellb6666 wrote:
CmdrWilkens wrote:
russellb6666 wrote:ok new question if someone were to purchase a classical music CD would the cash from said CD help the RIAA or simpley go to the orchestra or group that performed it. Because I don't want to give any money to those RIAA facist fucktard asswipes but I wouldn't mind it going towards someone who deserves it
The money would go to the retailer you bought the durn CD from. That retailer has already sent money to the record company which released the classical music CD. The record company then pays out a portion fo the proceeds from sales to the orchestra (as determiend by their contractual arrangement) and then uses the rest for its own internal puposes. Those include slaries, promotion AND RIAA fees. So yes a SMALL percentage (probably about as much as what the 2nd Violinist would make off of the CD sale) goes to the RIAA.
ok that sounds reasonable.....but what does a 2nd Violinist make off CD sales??
Something between jack and shit. In a full symphony orchestra the 2nd Violin is actually a pretty big role (its the key voice of harmony versus the melody of the 1st Violin section) anyway the person filling those shoes is likely to be a salaried member of the orchestra and thus unless they are genous just gets to keep his salary (part of which might be paid for out of CD sales proceeds).