Holocaust Denial....
Posted: 2002-10-12 01:49am
Something from one of my boards......
Talk about Holocaust denial ...
There is another holocaust that happened only a decade or two
prior to the one we are been constantly reminded of.
Sometime toward the beginning of last century, in a final spasm of barbarism and gross evil, the declining Ottoman Empire (Turkish Islamists) instructed it's 'pashars' to send out the death squads against Christians - mainly Armenian Orthodox Christians.
My wife's grandfather who lived in the Anatole as a child, lived through and managed to survive those barbarous years. He died aged 97 about fifteen years ago. Prior to his death, whenever we would visit him at his humble little home in his little village in Salonika, Greece, he would recount some of the most harrowing and blood curdling stories any person on this earth could ever hear - first hand experience of, and eyewitness to, the genocide committed upon the Armenian Christian Orthodox people (and many Greek Orthodox too) by the Turkish Islamists.
Stories of thousands of Christians being herded into large pits having petrol poured on them and being burnt alive.
Stories of thousands of Christians being herded into barbed wire enclosures and having their heads smashed in by sledge hammer wielding Islamic death squads (to save bullets).
Stories of Christians lined up in long rows and 3 deep, being shot with one bullet (to save bullets). Those not killed outright, were subsequently buried alive.
Other occasions, where to save petrol and bullets, thousands of Christians were simply buried alive.
Stories of young male children - 5, 10, 15 year olds, being herded into enclosures with several death squad members systematically going round and poking kabab skewers into their eyes - for sport, prior to shooting them, burning them, or burying them alive. Or the slight variation to this ... their eyes being pushed in by fingertip and crushed garlic being inserted into the chasm resulting in unspeakable agony to the sufferer.
Stories of young females suffering the most horrible, horrible indignation and torture prior to being disposed of in similar fashion.
Stories of grown men - Christian soldiers, resistance fighters, being impaled trough the anus right through to the throat or mouth, and being barbecued alive over a slow fire.
Stories of pregnant women being disemboweled and having their unborn ripped out of them, and used as soccer balls or tossed around on bayonets.
And the old man wasn't kidding either. He had an old scrapbook of grainy old photographs, which depicted some of what he was telling us. One particular photograph which will remain forever etched in my memory was that of a small mountain of severed heads, some of them still wearing Christian regalia (obviously heads of the clergy ) proudly paraded by the pashars themselves as the posed for these photographs.
History records that around 1 million Christens died in this genocide - but the old man told me in no uncertain terms that the number was far higher - perhaps 1.6 million, and although I have no way of verifying this, not much of whatever else he has told me has been proven false !
Death by gas chamber would have been a relief compared to the atrocities mentioned above, (and many other atrocities which will go un-mentioned by me here). But it has remained a curious fact of history, that although the Armenian Christian holocaust is adequately recorded, it has remained largely out of the public consciousness ... even whilst we have been saturated to the back teeth with the Jewish holocaust !
Subsequent to the old mans death, and subsequent to a spate of interest in this matter on my part 10 - 15 years ago, I had left it alone these last ten years, and written it off as just one of the legion of ongoing horrors perpetrated upon mankind by himself. So why now ? Why am I bringing it up here ?
Well, last night there was program on Australian SBS TV, called 'Holocaust Denied' (or something similar to that). Interestingly, it was presented by one Yanna Wvent, a nice Jewish lady, and a strident Israeli supporter ... so it was interesting coming from her ...
Anyway, the program recounted in detail much of what my wife's grandfather had related to us - the graphic details, the torture, the genocide of over a million Christians not to long ago in our history. It even showed similar photographs to what the old man had shown us - frame after frame of Turkish soldiers proudly parading their mutilated Christian victims !
A good part of the program went into the politics of all this ... how in the last many decades, Turkey has studiously denied the Christian Armenian holocaust - contrary to the solid evidence of it, and how the Armenian people have struggled for recognition or sympathy on the world stage, but received none. It told of how Turkey has even set up some Ministry of Propaganda for the sole purpose of denial. It told of how in years past, acknowledgement of, or even discussion of the holocaust by Turks, would result in severe punishment from that Islamic State. It told how even so, numerous brave Turkish historians and intellectuals are presently pushing for the sordid truth to be revealed !
Actually, the program said that a few years ago, following representations and irrefutable evidence presented to America by the Armenian people, the US Congress was on the verge of formally recognising the event as genocide / holocaust, but on the last moment failed to do so, subsequent to massive pressure from two countries, and TWO countries only ! Who WERE those two countries ? One, understandably was Turkey, but surprise surprise, and I would have never guessed it, the other was ... ISRAEL !!!
Damn - this is strange !!! Having being hitherto unaware of the modern day politics of this matter, as soon as I heard this, I was dumbfounded. The program went some way into showing how Turkey and the Zionist government of Israel, stand as the ONLY opposition to this cause. But why ? Why Israel ? Is it not abundantly aware of it's own holocaust ? Does it think it has cornered the market on holocausts ? What about the holocaust denial laws that it has successfully pushed for, and brought about in some countries ? The sheer hypocrisy of this is just breathtaking, and in my opinion, lends weight to the proposition that Israel has exaggerated it's own holocaust out of all proportion. Oh well, business is business I suppose !
Talk about Holocaust denial ...
There is another holocaust that happened only a decade or two
prior to the one we are been constantly reminded of.
Sometime toward the beginning of last century, in a final spasm of barbarism and gross evil, the declining Ottoman Empire (Turkish Islamists) instructed it's 'pashars' to send out the death squads against Christians - mainly Armenian Orthodox Christians.
My wife's grandfather who lived in the Anatole as a child, lived through and managed to survive those barbarous years. He died aged 97 about fifteen years ago. Prior to his death, whenever we would visit him at his humble little home in his little village in Salonika, Greece, he would recount some of the most harrowing and blood curdling stories any person on this earth could ever hear - first hand experience of, and eyewitness to, the genocide committed upon the Armenian Christian Orthodox people (and many Greek Orthodox too) by the Turkish Islamists.
Stories of thousands of Christians being herded into large pits having petrol poured on them and being burnt alive.
Stories of thousands of Christians being herded into barbed wire enclosures and having their heads smashed in by sledge hammer wielding Islamic death squads (to save bullets).
Stories of Christians lined up in long rows and 3 deep, being shot with one bullet (to save bullets). Those not killed outright, were subsequently buried alive.
Other occasions, where to save petrol and bullets, thousands of Christians were simply buried alive.
Stories of young male children - 5, 10, 15 year olds, being herded into enclosures with several death squad members systematically going round and poking kabab skewers into their eyes - for sport, prior to shooting them, burning them, or burying them alive. Or the slight variation to this ... their eyes being pushed in by fingertip and crushed garlic being inserted into the chasm resulting in unspeakable agony to the sufferer.
Stories of young females suffering the most horrible, horrible indignation and torture prior to being disposed of in similar fashion.
Stories of grown men - Christian soldiers, resistance fighters, being impaled trough the anus right through to the throat or mouth, and being barbecued alive over a slow fire.
Stories of pregnant women being disemboweled and having their unborn ripped out of them, and used as soccer balls or tossed around on bayonets.
And the old man wasn't kidding either. He had an old scrapbook of grainy old photographs, which depicted some of what he was telling us. One particular photograph which will remain forever etched in my memory was that of a small mountain of severed heads, some of them still wearing Christian regalia (obviously heads of the clergy ) proudly paraded by the pashars themselves as the posed for these photographs.
History records that around 1 million Christens died in this genocide - but the old man told me in no uncertain terms that the number was far higher - perhaps 1.6 million, and although I have no way of verifying this, not much of whatever else he has told me has been proven false !
Death by gas chamber would have been a relief compared to the atrocities mentioned above, (and many other atrocities which will go un-mentioned by me here). But it has remained a curious fact of history, that although the Armenian Christian holocaust is adequately recorded, it has remained largely out of the public consciousness ... even whilst we have been saturated to the back teeth with the Jewish holocaust !
Subsequent to the old mans death, and subsequent to a spate of interest in this matter on my part 10 - 15 years ago, I had left it alone these last ten years, and written it off as just one of the legion of ongoing horrors perpetrated upon mankind by himself. So why now ? Why am I bringing it up here ?
Well, last night there was program on Australian SBS TV, called 'Holocaust Denied' (or something similar to that). Interestingly, it was presented by one Yanna Wvent, a nice Jewish lady, and a strident Israeli supporter ... so it was interesting coming from her ...
Anyway, the program recounted in detail much of what my wife's grandfather had related to us - the graphic details, the torture, the genocide of over a million Christians not to long ago in our history. It even showed similar photographs to what the old man had shown us - frame after frame of Turkish soldiers proudly parading their mutilated Christian victims !
A good part of the program went into the politics of all this ... how in the last many decades, Turkey has studiously denied the Christian Armenian holocaust - contrary to the solid evidence of it, and how the Armenian people have struggled for recognition or sympathy on the world stage, but received none. It told of how Turkey has even set up some Ministry of Propaganda for the sole purpose of denial. It told of how in years past, acknowledgement of, or even discussion of the holocaust by Turks, would result in severe punishment from that Islamic State. It told how even so, numerous brave Turkish historians and intellectuals are presently pushing for the sordid truth to be revealed !
Actually, the program said that a few years ago, following representations and irrefutable evidence presented to America by the Armenian people, the US Congress was on the verge of formally recognising the event as genocide / holocaust, but on the last moment failed to do so, subsequent to massive pressure from two countries, and TWO countries only ! Who WERE those two countries ? One, understandably was Turkey, but surprise surprise, and I would have never guessed it, the other was ... ISRAEL !!!
Damn - this is strange !!! Having being hitherto unaware of the modern day politics of this matter, as soon as I heard this, I was dumbfounded. The program went some way into showing how Turkey and the Zionist government of Israel, stand as the ONLY opposition to this cause. But why ? Why Israel ? Is it not abundantly aware of it's own holocaust ? Does it think it has cornered the market on holocausts ? What about the holocaust denial laws that it has successfully pushed for, and brought about in some countries ? The sheer hypocrisy of this is just breathtaking, and in my opinion, lends weight to the proposition that Israel has exaggerated it's own holocaust out of all proportion. Oh well, business is business I suppose !
MWAHAHAHA!