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Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-02-11 09:07pm

People, I just found out my 18 year old brother is doing crank. Who knows what else he is doing. I would love to go over to that apartment and start kicking some fucking heads in, but he is 18. He recently moved out of my mom's house, with no job or anything... he just moved in with a bunch of cranksters.

What do you think I should do here? I am about to drive over right fucking now...

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2004-02-11 09:11pm

Wait a second... aren't you in Japan right now?

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-02-11 09:12pm

No, I've been back for almost a week.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-02-11 09:19pm

I think you could call the cops and send them there,maybe a night in jail could straighten him up fast,it would be better than you in for beating some shitheads.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2004-02-11 09:21pm

Superman wrote:People, I just found out my 18 year old brother is doing crank. Who knows what else he is doing. I would love to go over to that apartment and start kicking some fucking heads in, but he is 18. He recently moved out of my mom's house, with no job or anything... he just moved in with a bunch of cranksters.

What do you think I should do here? I am about to drive over right fucking now...

Tell the cops and your parents. NOW.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-02-11 09:25pm

Idiots. Telling the cops won't scare him off of the shit. Addictions are addictions and sending him to jail (not just "for a night" but for YEARS, if you tell) won't help him. If he's really having problems, tell him to seek help. If he's not, and functioning fine, tell him to atleast see a doctor so the doctor can advise him health-wise.

Calling the cops is the absolute worst thing you could do. And telling your PARENTS won't help but to make them pissed at him and make him resentful. He won't get better if you do that, you'll just make him hate you and you won't be talking to him on peacable terms for a good while.

Bertie Wooster · Post by **Bertie Wooster** » 2004-02-11 09:35pm

That shit WILL give him brain damage or worse. I'd get an Intervention organized ASAP to get him to check into rehab.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-02-11 09:40pm

Koji, I blocked you from MSN box. I don't need you fucking telling me to tell him "be smart about using." He admitted now to using a needle but he said it was for checking his blood sugar levels. Now, I don't know why the fuck he's using a needle, but if he's sharing them, he is putting his life in danger. Koji, you are an idiot.

I just talked to the cops. Unless they see something, there's not much they can do about it.

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2004-02-11 09:47pm

Just to step in..

a) TRY not to get the cops involved. But use your best judgement. Aren't you studying law Superman? If that goes on his record, a shitstorm will follow him for the rest of his life.

b) Do you have a doctor that you trust? Hopefully maybe a neurologist or psychiatrist?

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-02-11 09:52pm

If he is using a needle, I am afraid of what he could get. I am heading over there right now. If I see anything like that, I'm going to bust some fucking heads.

Thanks for helping guys...

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-02-11 10:03pm

Well that honestly sucks...the advice I will give is use your best judgement, but in personal matters it can get heated quickly, so best remember he is your brother.

Though as much as people saying don't get the cops, I will say this yes, it'll cause a shitstorm, but given what he's doing he's not exactly doing something that can be construed as helpful to himself. Still that sort of shit is something he brought upon himself, not because his brother here condemning him.

The best thing you can do is honestly rehab...

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-11 10:06pm

Intervention, and if that fails police. ASAP. I can't believe you people are telling him to let his brother poison himself.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2004-02-11 10:10pm

Take an undercover cop with you if need be.

Or better yet, go hang out there until they leave something out int he open, leave the apartment, and make a call on the cell phone....

Shaidar Haran · Post by **Shaidar Haran** » 2004-02-12 12:37am

The best thing you can do is get your family and friends together for an intervention. He needs rehab, first and fore most. Most of the time seeing people are genuinely concerned and care will help.

It's best if you can get him treatment with out getting the cops involved. But if need be, consider it. Just be careful about bringing in the law, they're there to punish, not necessarily get him the help he needs.

Calling the cops is the absolute worst thing you could do. And telling your PARENTS won't help but to make them pissed at him and make him resentful. He won't get better if you do that, you'll just make him hate you and you won't be talking to him on peacable terms for a good while.

Kojkun, that's a terrible idea. Unless he's got a totally fucked up family, knowing people care will definitely help not harm.

aphexmonster · Post by **aphexmonster** » 2004-02-12 12:45am

Superman wrote:Koji, I blocked you from MSN box. I don't need you fucking telling me to tell him "be smart about using." He admitted now to using a needle but he said it was for checking his blood sugar levels. Now, I don't know why the fuck he's using a needle, but if he's sharing them, he is putting his life in danger. Koji, you are an idiot.

I just talked to the cops. Unless they see something, there's not much they can do about it.

=T ...

He was just trying to help.

... I think if you as a familly ( your parents or any other relatives you have near ) approached him about it maybe you could help him with it. Ive only had to deal with this sittuation once, and it didn't go over well. I jsut think that if people he actually cared about and knew that cared about him confronted him about it that it would be more reinforcing than strangers/generic authority figures doing so. With my cousin, we sent the police to his house to bust everyone in there. They spent the week in jail ( before we bailed him out ) After comming home he ran away and we didn't hear from him until we got that phone call from auntie saying her son died of an over dose. Its your choice to do what you see is in best intrest for your brother, but if he WANTS to quit then that will make things much easier. If he doesn't hold his head under water every 45 seconds until he agrees to get clean.....

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-02-12 05:46pm

Shaidar Haran wrote:Kojkun, that's a terrible idea. Unless he's got a totally fucked up family, knowing people care will definitely help not harm.

Obviously you nor anyone else here has actually dealt with addicts first hand. I have, my mother was using cocaine. I know FOR A FACT that if you start telling people (ie family, etc) and they try to talk the addict out of using, it will only make them angry or depressed because they feel betrayed. They'll only lash out and use MORE. See Aphex's example of why you don't bust him.

The best thing he could do is try to convince his brother to go into rehab. If he doesn't, there's nothing you can do. He will not stop unless he wants to stop. The sooner you learn this the better.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-02-12 06:14pm

Shaidar Haran wrote:Kojkun, that's a terrible idea. Unless he's got a totally fucked up family, knowing people care will definitely help not harm.

Oh and one more thing: Obviously he DOES. He has a brother who wants to BEAT HIM UP for being addicted to a drug. Translation: He has a brother who wants to beat him up for being so thoroughly emotionally destroyed that he has to resort to substances so he can be happy.

I'm sorry, but that's not a caring brother, thats an angry, spiteful, and stupid brother. The rest of his family might be more caring, but I suspect anger is the first thing that will come up.

Mlenk · Post by **Mlenk** » 2004-02-12 06:34pm

From what I know of personal experience and from seeing it in others your brother is gonna have to want to quit himself first. You can't help someone that doesn't want to be helped. But obviously though you can't just sit by and let him destroy himself. Rehab is probably the best thing to do though it'd would be better to talk to him and see if he'll go in willingly without having to bring in the cops and making it court ordered. Rehab is generally most successful if the person's already made a willing decision on his own without anyone telling him to quit. Prevention/Rehabilitation before Incarciration.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-02-12 06:46pm

That shit kills or at the very least debilitates, let alone the other problems.

Find a rehab clinic and only inform the cops if you feel you need to and there isn't a rational way to settle this. Find out how long this has gone on for and what else he may have dabbled in, if he's admitted to using needles, make sure he's not gone and fucking jabbed himself with a used one or something stupid.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-02-12 07:10pm

kojikun wrote:
Shaidar Haran wrote:Kojkun, that's a terrible idea. Unless he's got a totally fucked up family, knowing people care will definitely help not harm.
Oh and one more thing: Obviously he DOES. He has a brother who wants to BEAT HIM UP for being addicted to a drug. Translation: He has a brother who wants to beat him up for being so thoroughly emotionally destroyed that he has to resort to substances so he can be happy.

So you assume that he's emotionally depressed for whatever reason, and you assume that Supes beating him up now is going to be worse than saving his life?

I would say the best thing would be cops, but because they're so inefficent I'd see if you can get some group (I know the guardian angels used to) go in and clean out his drug pit. Parents might work, but the problem is that he's 18 and probably going through the "my parents can't touch me at all" stage.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-02-12 07:11pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:That shit kills or at the very least debilitates, let alone the other problems.

It depensd on how to use it. It kills because of ODs, and usually only if you either dehydrate, overheat (those two caused by lack of water), lack of salt (too much water dilutes the blood), or if you take enough to tear a hole in your heart (reason not to get excited while tweaking).

Find a rehab clinic and only inform the cops if you feel you need to and there isn't a rational way to settle this. Find out how long this has gone on for and what else he may have dabbled in, if he's admitted to using needles, make sure he's not gone and fucking jabbed himself with a used one or something stupid.

Police are the wrong people to talk to. They'll arrest him, not push him into rehab. And unwilling rehab does not work. He'll get out and start using again. He has to WANT to stop using. One possible detox method would be a full purification. Some hospitals do this and it forces your body to cope with the physical addiction overnight in a single detoxing, rather than over time. You wake up feeling like you've go the flu. The only thing you then have to worry about is the mental addiction.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-02-12 10:21pm

Hey, read what I wrote, people. I was talking about the crack heads that are hooking him up with it. NOT HIM. I never said I was going to kick his ass, just the low lifes with him. Sorry I didn't make that clear...

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-02-12 10:42pm

Superman wrote:Hey, read what I wrote, people. I was talking about the crack heads that are hooking him up with it. NOT HIM. I never said I was going to kick his ass, just the low lifes with him. Sorry I didn't make that clear...

It was clear enough for me.
so how many ass did you kick?

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-02-12 10:54pm

Ahh well in that case, kick their asses.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-02-12 10:58pm

I'm in a similar situation, except reverse Superman's "I'm the big motherfucker who can bruise you PLUS I'm your older brother" with my "I'm the younger brother who doesn't know anything about anything so I should just shut the fuck up and mind my own business." There's not much I can do in my situation, my brother is 8 years older than me and an adult, but it's good to know that Supe's brother has a sibling ready to bust some heads for his benefit.

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