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A Rant of Message Board Etiquette

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OK, guys, let me get something off my chest. This is something that has been bothering me for a bit, in fact, every since I started posting on message boards. Some people respond to others peoples posts in damn annoying ways; ways that could be fixed by applying basic English Comp 101 stuff to everyday typing. People who do some of these things should swing from the net gallows.

For one thing, and this isn't that much of a problem here, but it has been at some message boards I've typed on in the past, is that so using short cuts in typing and refusal to use any punctionation at all. This comes under the form of stuff like haxor, where writers bizarrely abbreviate and place characters with characters that sort of look like them, et cetera. u no \/\/0t i meen???// Worse, they do this on purpose. Why, why, WHY would anyone do this? It's not like it's any quicker to type and only makes it much harder to read. While I'm sure that's part of the goal, then they don't understand why everyone thinks they are fucking morons. Another form of this -- and they often go hand in hand -- are the people who have no idea how to use punctuation or capitialization. How much effort does it take to stretch your pinky over to the shift key in order to make your message so much easier to read by other people? What these people don't seem to understand is that such things exist for a reason. Punctuation and capitalization are notes and guides sprinkled in words to help break paragraphs and sentences up into meaningful bits of information, making the sentence immediately more readable. It's a proven fact that leaving out such things slows reading rates down like molasses because the person has to read and re-read a statement to mentally insert those guide posts and breaks in order to make sense of the post. Such people should be tarred and feathered in an ideal world, but at the very least they can treated without any seriousness.

Another thing that really bugs me, like a hunk of steak caught between the teeth, are people who who type something incredibly snide, or rude, or bitchy, then sprinkle on some smileys like it makes what they said any less snide/rude/bitchy. This has some serious offenders that I've noticed, who use emoticons like shields, that when every they get called on their sniping, they go "Hey man, I stuck a :P in there, so you can't take it seriously!" Moron. There is a difference between ribbing/joking with someone and sniping at them with a smiley. It's called context and if you are being snide, then putting fifty smileys in there won't change that. So if you are actually intending on ribbing someone or joking with them, try wording your message in a way that clears your intention. This is a mistake that lots of people, including myself in particular, have made before, because on a message board, people can't see a shiteating grin or hear the jovial inflection in your voice. Smileys can be useful there, but people who think that they are a carte blanc to be an ass should face a net firing squad.

Then there are spelling/grammar nitpick nazis. I'm sure you people know them. They are people if they see a single transposed pair of letters, or a misspelled word, or a grammatical error, they respond to your post with the intent of nitpicking it with messages like "I think you meant to say 'off' there instead of 'of'". All this does is take up real estate and it adds nothing to the thread. So here's the thought, unless their typo dramatically effects the content of their post, how about you keep your trap shut and not waste anyones times nitpicking someone saying "there" instead of "their" accidently. While it's important that people use decent grammar, as long as the message is on the whole completely understand able, there shouldn't be a problem. Thus nitpick nazis should be thrown in a cage with an amorous bull rhino.

Finally (since I only have a limited time to wrap this up), are the over-quoters. These are people who respond to a two paragraph post by quoting each and every individual sentence, and responding to them seperately. This is a grievous sin in my eyes for several reasons.

For one thing, they might have paid more attention in English Comp 101, but a paragraph ideally is a packet of information that contains no more or less than one complete thought. When you break it up like that, or take one sentence out of the paragraph and discard the rest, you are taking a piece of a thought out of it's context and responding only it it. This is a bad thing, because it misrepresents what the person is talking about and even can make it look like the person is talking about something else entirely (a standard creationist trick, I might add). You might say "Well, what if there is only one bit of information in the paragraph that you want to specifically point out and respond to. Well, we've got alot of options on a message board which emphasizes text, like italicizing it or bolding it. Thus you can do this:
Blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Part that you wish to respond to. Blah blah blah blah blah.
See what I did there? The massage is still in context, but it's been emphasized so everyone can see what you are responding to. Hurray!

Also, quoting every last sentence individually greatly increase the size of the posts and the time it takes to respond. When you quote a paragraph and respond with a paragraph, a person can respond in kind with their own paragraphes. These might get bigger as more information and more thoughts are being thrown around, but the rate of growth is pretty slow overall. Now if a poster took a four paragraph post and broke it down into 20 something individual quotes, then a person responding to it now doesn't have four things to respond to, but 20, even though there was no increase in content! This is time consuming and often times people have to give up and not respond to things, in effect, conceding the point, even though they could have easily handled it if the one person had responded in terms of paragraphs than individual sentences. It also makes post lengths grow a geometric length. A person wanting to make sure everthing is addressed might respond to everything, and could easily respond to a one liner blurb with a several sentence response, then the over-quoter will break up those responses into minute fractions and one-line blurb them! Note to mention that the quote function takes up alot of space, leaving large areas of white space breaking up a post and making it extremely long. This makes posts huge and completely exhausting to respond to, at which point, people give up because it's not worth the effort. Because of this over-quoters need to be bisected and feed to Marina's flying monkeys.

Anything anyone wants to add to this spiel?
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Gil Hamilton wrote:OK, guys, let me get something off my chest. This is something that has been bothering me for a bit, in fact, every since I started posting on message boards. Some people respond to others peoples posts in damn annoying ways; ways that could be fixed by applying basic English Comp 101 stuff to everyday typing. People who do some of these things should swing from the net gallows.

For one thing, and this isn't that much of a problem here, but it has been at some message boards I've typed on in the past, is that so using short cuts in typing and refusal to use any punctionation at all. This comes under the form of stuff like haxor, where writers bizarrely abbreviate and place characters with characters that sort of look like them, et cetera. u no \/\/0t i meen???// Worse, they do this on purpose. Why, why, WHY would anyone do this? It's not like it's any quicker to type and only makes it much harder to read. While I'm sure that's part of the goal, then they don't understand why everyone thinks they are fucking morons. Another form of this -- and they often go hand in hand -- are the people who have no idea how to use punctuation or capitialization. How much effort does it take to stretch your pinky over to the shift key in order to make your message so much easier to read by other people? What these people don't seem to understand is that such things exist for a reason. Punctuation and capitalization are notes and guides sprinkled in words to help break paragraphs and sentences up into meaningful bits of information, making the sentence immediately more readable. It's a proven fact that leaving out such things slows reading rates down like molasses because the person has to read and re-read a statement to mentally insert those guide posts and breaks in order to make sense of the post. Such people should be tarred and feathered in an ideal world, but at the very least they can treated without any seriousness.

Another thing that really bugs me, like a hunk of steak caught between the teeth, are people who who type something incredibly snide, or rude, or bitchy, then sprinkle on some smileys like it makes what they said any less snide/rude/bitchy. This has some serious offenders that I've noticed, who use emoticons like shields, that when every they get called on their sniping, they go "Hey man, I stuck a :P in there, so you can't take it seriously!" Moron. There is a difference between ribbing/joking with someone and sniping at them with a smiley. It's called context and if you are being snide, then putting fifty smileys in there won't change that. So if you are actually intending on ribbing someone or joking with them, try wording your message in a way that clears your intention. This is a mistake that lots of people, including myself in particular, have made before, because on a message board, people can't see a shiteating grin or hear the jovial inflection in your voice. Smileys can be useful there, but people who think that they are a carte blanc to be an ass should face a net firing squad.

Then there are spelling/grammar nitpick nazis. I'm sure you people know them. They are people if they see a single transposed pair of letters, or a misspelled word, or a grammatical error, they respond to your post with the intent of nitpicking it with messages like "I think you meant to say 'off' there instead of 'of'". All this does is take up real estate and it adds nothing to the thread. So here's the thought, unless their typo dramatically effects the content of their post, how about you keep your trap shut and not waste anyones times nitpicking someone saying "there" instead of "their" accidently. While it's important that people use decent grammar, as long as the message is on the whole completely understand able, there shouldn't be a problem. Thus nitpick nazis should be thrown in a cage with an amorous bull rhino.

Finally (since I only have a limited time to wrap this up), are the over-quoters. These are people who respond to a two paragraph post by quoting each and every individual sentence, and responding to them seperately. This is a grievous sin in my eyes for several reasons.

For one thing, they might have paid more attention in English Comp 101, but a paragraph ideally is a packet of information that contains no more or less than one complete thought. When you break it up like that, or take one sentence out of the paragraph and discard the rest, you are taking a piece of a thought out of it's context and responding only it it. This is a bad thing, because it misrepresents what the person is talking about and even can make it look like the person is talking about something else entirely (a standard creationist trick, I might add). You might say "Well, what if there is only one bit of information in the paragraph that you want to specifically point out and respond to. Well, we've got alot of options on a message board which emphasizes text, like italicizing it or bolding it. Thus you can do this:
Blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Part that you wish to respond to. Blah blah blah blah blah.
See what I did there? The massage is still in context, but it's been emphasized so everyone can see what you are responding to. Hurray!

Also, quoting every last sentence individually greatly increase the size of the posts and the time it takes to respond. When you quote a paragraph and respond with a paragraph, a person can respond in kind with their own paragraphes. These might get bigger as more information and more thoughts are being thrown around, but the rate of growth is pretty slow overall. Now if a poster took a four paragraph post and broke it down into 20 something individual quotes, then a person responding to it now doesn't have four things to respond to, but 20, even though there was no increase in content! This is time consuming and often times people have to give up and not respond to things, in effect, conceding the point, even though they could have easily handled it if the one person had responded in terms of paragraphs than individual sentences. It also makes post lengths grow a geometric length. A person wanting to make sure everthing is addressed might respond to everything, and could easily respond to a one liner blurb with a several sentence response, then the over-quoter will break up those responses into minute fractions and one-line blurb them! Note to mention that the quote function takes up alot of space, leaving large areas of white space breaking up a post and making it extremely long. This makes posts huge and completely exhausting to respond to, at which point, people give up because it's not worth the effort. Because of this over-quoters need to be bisected and feed to Marina's flying monkeys.

Anything anyone wants to add to this spiel?
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You'll rue the day you did that, you bastard. :)
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you brought up alot of points that i tend to detest myself. . . .but i think the only thing that really pisses me off the most is when people (i've noticed this is frequent amont some fundie debaters, oddly enough.) break up your paragraphs and respond to each and every single individual sentence. in some cases they'll take individual sentences and respond to fragments of that. it simply isn't necessary.
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We already know what the fuck your name is: we can see it right next to your damn post, so stop "signing off" at the end of your posts!

Sorry, but that just annoys the shit out of me, even though it's nothing.

EDIT: As one who has received some flack over their comments on occasion, I might just briefly address the smiley thing. I personally have a sense of humour that at times can get rather sarcastic, caustic, and rude. That doesn't always come across and survive the transition to text on a message board, but when I do put a wink or a raspberry at the end of stuff like that, most of the time I honestly am intending it as humourous and not attempting to disquise an insult. I'm not that shallow.
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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:We already know what the fuck your name is: we can see it right next to your damn post, so stop "signing off" at the end of your posts!

Sorry, but that just annoys the shit out of me, even though it's nothing.

EDIT: As one who has received some flack over their comments on occasion, I might just briefly address the smiley thing. I personally have a sense of humour that at times can get rather sarcastic, caustic, and rude. That doesn't always come across and survive the transition to text on a message board, but when I do put a wink or a raspberry at the end of stuff like that, most of the time I honestly am intending it as humourous and not attempting to disquise an insult. I'm not that shallow.
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Well, that about covered it.. Though I, myself, am a tad of a grammar nazi at times, it's always in good humour (unless, of course, proofreading someone's writing... but we'll not go there).

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You forgot the dreaded FULLQUOTE. People that just hit "quote" instead of "reply", and then type their text away without adressing specific points. This makes posts unnecesary lengthy and tends to produce quotes within quotes within quotes, preserving the text from the ten immediately previous messages without adding content.
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I don't know. Maybe I'm just weird, but when someone sticks a " :P " behind something it comes off as a pretty clear sign that they didn't mean anything by it. Then again I'm really a fan of the dark, sarcastic, cynical brand of humor.
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Weird is spelt with the "i" after the "e".

When you can't find something you have "lost" it, you do not "loose" things.

Genius has no "o" in it.

We are is contracted to "we're", note this does not mean the same as "were".

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Admiral Valdemar wrote:Weird is spelt with the "i" after the "e".

When you can't find something you have "lost" it, you do not "loose" things.

Genius has no "o" in it.

We are is contracted to "we're", note this does not mean the same as "were".

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Don't forget the differences between your and you're.

This mildly annoys me...... :)
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I think another thing that really gets my goat is people who fly off the handle with flames and insults immediately when they disagree with someone. I've seen completely civil and productive discussions go to shit because some person who thinks too much of themselves comes in and starts going off on people they disagree with or think is wrong. They scream like howler monkeys about how the person is not just wrong about something (usually something trivial), but is so fundementally stupid that they should be in mastering how to write the letter "r" in joined-up writing rather than using the internet. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but if someone has a differing opinion about, say, StarWars or if they mess up Hooke's Law, is that grounds for spewing flames like some message board godzilla? For some people yes. I like to call those people chickenshits, because if they pulled that sort of behavior in real life, they'd get their asses kicked. Only chickenshit cowards talk shit over a phoneline. And chickenshits should be garrotted.
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I like paragraphs and people who abuse them make baby Jesus cry and God kill a kitten.
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Gil Hamilton wrote:I think another thing that really gets my goat is people who fly off the handle with flames and insults immediately when they disagree with someone. I've seen completely civil and productive discussions go to shit because some person who thinks too much of themselves comes in and starts going off on people they disagree with or think is wrong. They scream like howler monkeys about how the person is not just wrong about something (usually something trivial), but is so fundementally stupid that they should be in mastering how to write the letter "r" in joined-up writing rather than using the internet. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but if someone has a differing opinion about, say, StarWars or if they mess up Hooke's Law, is that grounds for spewing flames like some message board godzilla? For some people yes. I like to call those people chickenshits, because if they pulled that sort of behavior in real life, they'd get their asses kicked. Only chickenshit cowards talk shit over a phoneline. And chickenshits should be garrotted.
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Seriously, I agree with pretty much everything you've said so far and have ever said before, and would like to add one more thing of my own I hate:

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But, honestly, yeah, I have these rants bottled up inside me too. Le sigh...
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Gil Hamilton wrote:Also, quoting every last sentence individually greatly increase the size of the posts and the time it takes to respond. When you quote a paragraph and respond with a paragraph, a person can respond blah blah blah blah BLAH
I generally agree with you, but there are times when a truly point-by-point rebuttal is appropriate.
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Howedar wrote:I generally agree with you, but there are times when a truly point-by-point rebuttal is appropriate.
You can make a point-by-point rebuttle without quoting each and every single line of text seperately. In fact, it's rather easy.
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RogueIce wrote:Seriously, I agree with pretty much everything you've said so far and have ever said before, and would like to add one more thing of my own I hate:

Me-tooers. :)
Yeah, what he said....
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muse wrote:
RogueIce wrote:Seriously, I agree with pretty much everything you've said so far and have ever said before, and would like to add one more thing of my own I hate:

Me-tooers. :)
Yeah, what he said....
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fgalkin2 wrote:
muse wrote:
RogueIce wrote:Seriously, I agree with pretty much everything you've said so far and have ever said before, and would like to add one more thing of my own I hate:

Me-tooers. :)
Yeah, what he said....
Me too. :wink:

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Gil Hamilton wrote:You can make a point-by-point rebuttle without quoting each and every single line of text seperately. In fact, it's rather easy.
Sometimes especially slow debaters have trouble comprehending things when you don't lay it out point by point.
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I agree with pretty much everything that was said. Although, when people quote "every sentence", or however it was said, I don't mind that. It makes things clearer sometimes.

I absolutely HATE when ppl insist on typin lik this. My friends do that. It's not that fucking hard to type correctly. Also, they'll type in all caps, at which point I usually send them this:
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The only fun part about that is, when random morons IM me, I can have fun with them. Example: (I didn't save the conversation, but I beleive this is how it went.)

Moron: FUK U
Me: Ooh, I'm scared. You seem real intelligent, being able to make up such a complicated, well thought out insult. Mommy.
Moron: FUCK U BITCH SMARTASS.
Me: I'm impressed. I think you've moved on to the vocabulary of an average 7 year old now.
*And so on...

Complete retards aren't totally useless. :)
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Fighter of Foo wrote: The only fun part about that is, when random morons IM me, I can have fun with them. Example: (I didn't save the conversation, but I beleive this is how it went.)

Moron: FUK U
Me: Ooh, I'm scared. You seem real intelligent, being able to make up such a complicated, well thought out insult. Mommy.
Moron: FUCK U BITCH SMARTASS.
Me: I'm impressed. I think you've moved on to the vocabulary of an average 7 year old now.
*And so on...

Complete retards aren't totally useless. :)
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Nitram: You -are- beautiful. Anyone tries to tell you otherwise kill them.

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