Political Correctness will be the death of us all....

[MKSheppard]

http://library.northernlight.com/EC2002 ... 6&rq=0#doc

Story Filed: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 12:57 PM EDT

ROCKVILLE, Md. (AP) -- For the first time since the Washington-area sniper slayings began, more than one witness saw a man fire and flee in a white van, but investigators said Wednesday that none of the witnesses got a good enough look to yield a sketch.

``There are a couple of people who believe they saw a man shoot, unfortunately distance and darkness and perhaps adrenaline have made them unable to give a clear composite that we can disseminate,'' said Montgomery County Police Capt. Nancy Demme.

Demme said one witness told police the shooter used an AK-74 rifle to kill 47-year-old FBI analyst Linda Franklin on Monday night outside a Falls Church, Va., Home Depot store.

``The witness firmly believes this is the weapon,'' Demme said. ``But we have to keep in mind that weapons are interchangable, like vehicles.''

Investigators said the latest shooting has yielded the most detailed clues yet in the search for the killer, including license plate information and a description of a man seen leaving the scene in a white, Chevy Astro van with a burned-out or broken left tail light.

With police unable to release more specific information, Demme gave a ``how-to'' list of tips for potential witnesses in case the sniper strikes again. Among them: commit to memory what you see, carry around a pen to make notes and, if necessary, write down descriptions and details on your hand. She also warned witnesses not to ``contaminate'' their remembrances by talking to other people or reporters.

Robert Young, a Washington construction worker, was among witnesses to Monday night's shooting who returned to the shopping center Tuesday to talk with police. He said he heard a muffled gunshot and saw a white van.

Young said as he backed his truck out of his parking spot, a white Astro van with two men inside tried to turn into his lane. He said the driver appeared very agitated to find his way blocked and instead drove by a neighboring restaurant and out of sight.

Young described the driver as a short man of slight build who appeared to be Middle Eastern. ``I got a good look at the guy,'' he said.

The driver ``seemed to be excessively irritated because he couldn't pull into my lane,'' he said. ``I thought this fool was going to want to get out of the van and duke or something. But he didn't. He kept on going.''

Law enforcement sources told The Associated Press there was no indication the sniper targeted Franklin, 47, because of her job with the FBI's Cyber-Crimes Division, created last year to focus on computer crimes as well as intellectual property cases.

In Maryland, Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose, the head of the investigation, emphasized that Franklin was not working on the sniper case.

With the terrifying spree 2 weeks old, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld agreed Tuesday evening to provide military surveillance aircraft in the hunt for the killer, a Pentagon spokesman said. Sources said federal agents on the plane will relay any information they collect to authorities on the ground.

The Army also is searching its records for people with sniper training.

Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge said investigators are hesitant to rule out the possibility that the slayings are the work of a terrorist because there is no hard evidence about motive.

Each victim was cut down with a single bullet fired from a distance by a high-powered rifle. All were going about everyday tasks.

Last week, police found a tarot death card at a crime scene inscribed, ``Dear Policeman, I am God.''

In a continuing appeal for the public's help, Moose released a composite image of a white Astro with a ladder rack that witnesses saw after Friday's slaying of a man at a gas station near Fredericksburg, Va. He also released a similar image of a Ford Econovan.

Moose said there appeared to be similarities between the van seen at Friday's shooting and the van from Monday night's attack. Fairfax County Police Chief Tom Manger would not say whether witnesses to the latest attack were able to give complete license plate numbers to investigators.

``Each shooting has revealed more to this investigation. We're encouraged every day,'' said Michael Bouchard, an agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

EDITOR'S NOTE -- Associated Press writers Ron Fournier and Pauline Jelinek contributed to this report.

*********************************

Fucking cuntbreaths! Why is it they won't give us a goddamn sketch?
Oh yeah, because the sniper is an Al Quaeda operative and they
don't want to terrorize the sheeple....

[Alyeska]

Fucking cuntbreaths! Why is it they won't give us a goddamn sketch?
Oh yeah, because the sniper is an Al Quaeda operative and they
don't want to terrorize the sheeple....

I guess thats standard operating procedure for you Shep. Just assume its all a terrorist conspiracy. Makes life easier when you don't believe that "normal" people can do this.

[MKSheppard]

I guess thats standard operating procedure for you Shep. Just assume its all a terrorist conspiracy. Makes life easier when you don't believe that "normal" people can do this.

Hey shithead! They got close enough for witnesses to tell an AK-47 and an AK-74
apart, and we have FIVE different eyewitness accounts of them, yet the police
can't put out one SIMPLE FUCKING SKETCH?

Fuck you, SB.com whiner...

[Alyeska]

I guess thats standard operating procedure for you Shep. Just assume its all a terrorist conspiracy. Makes life easier when you don't believe that "normal" people can do this.

Hey shithead! They got close enough for witnesses to tell an AK-47 and an AK-74
apart, and we have FIVE different eyewitness accounts of them, yet the police
can't put out one SIMPLE FUCKING SKETCH?

Fuck you, SB.com whiner...

Fuck you, homophobe

[Stormbringer]

I don't think this is terrorism. It fits much better with a serial killer.

And pardon me if I'm wrong but isn't the caliber wrong for an AK-47?

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

Now, now, we don't want to start a flame war over this.

[NecronLord]

What kind of a terrorist takes weekends off?

[Mr Bean]

And pardon me if I'm wrong but isn't the caliber wrong for an AK-47?

One could use a conversion kit I belive to get the Calbier down(And one of those cheep tricks you learn in the Armed Forces is getting rid of the pipe is much easier than getting rid of a gun(The "Pipe" being the pieace of metal that goes into the barrel)

[MKSheppard]

I don't think this is terrorism. It fits much better with a serial killer.

And pardon me if I'm wrong but isn't the caliber wrong for an AK-47?

AK-74....fires the russian 5.45mm round, about .222 caliber compared to
our 5.56mm .223

And there's an AK clone, the AK-101 that fires 5.56/.223

And lets not forget the fact that if this was an ex-military nut, he'd use
the AR-15. If it was a white guy who snapped, he'd use a hunting rifle...
but this guy is using a Freaking AK variant...who uses AKs? Uhm letsee,
the Russians, Chinese, Iraqis, and....terrorists the world over...

Besides if they have FIVE witnesses who saw the perps, than why ARE NO SKETCHES BEING RELEASED?

Those sketches would really, really help us to ID the perp, especially
if we run them every 5 minutes on the television following a shooting....

Mark my words, he will end up to be an Arab. Now, If I am proved wrong,
you can add "Crow-Eater" to my custom title, Mike...

[Ted]

I sincerely doubt that the guy is an arab. Most likely he's a guy who has a lot of knowledge of local law enforcement ops and a deep grudge against them, as he keeps making a mockery of them.
And why would the guy use an AK variant when it is so much easier to use a standard US hunting rifile that the cops think was used. They also have knowledge on which type of gun the round was fired from.

[Stormbringer]

I guess, I'm wrong. I'll trust the opinions of the gun guys on this one.

[MKSheppard]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=29298

For one, the shootings are unbelievably brazen, like the Sept. 11 attacks. Eyewitnesses in both the Home Depot shooting in Falls Church, Va., and Exxon station shooting in Fredericksburg, Va., told authorities they saw a sniper taking aim and shooting from outside the reported getaway van, WorldNetDaily has learned.

GODAMMIT! One person could have stopped these fuckers' killing spree
in the last two shots if they had been carrying concealed!

[The Yosemite Bear]

Well we remember what happened in L.A. after the Richard Ramirez sketch was released, the serieal killer was nearly beaten to death by the folk of L.A.

[Mr Bean]

the serieal killer was nearly beaten to death by the folk of L.A.

Nearly? Drat!

[The Yosemite Bear]

Now he's on death row, exhausting his appeals, should take him another ten years courtesy of our California Bueraacracy.

[Alyeska]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=29298

For one, the shootings are unbelievably brazen, like the Sept. 11 attacks. Eyewitnesses in both the Home Depot shooting in Falls Church, Va., and Exxon station shooting in Fredericksburg, Va., told authorities they saw a sniper taking aim and shooting from outside the reported getaway van, WorldNetDaily has learned.

GODAMMIT! One person could have stopped these fuckers' killing spree
in the last two shots if they had been carrying concealed!

Don't be a fucking idiot Shep.

[IRG CommandoJoe]

Isn't he right though?

[Ted]

No, he's wrong.
First of all, it would take to long for the guy to draw, locate where the target was, where the target is now, turn the safety off, to hit the sniper.

[MKSheppard]

Don't be a fucking idiot Shep.

You're the fucking idiot, Alyeska.

Our Witnesses were capable of getting CLOSE ENOUGH
to differentate between an AK-47 and a -74, as well as
getting a good look at the snipers face.... remember, he
whacked his latest target from just 40 fucking feet!

How is Mr. Sniper going to get away when he is lying face down
in the parking garage with a SUCKING CHEST WOUND
from a privately owned concealed handgun used by
a citizen/witness?

For Ted:
GLOCKS don't have external safeties...just point and
pull trigger = BOOM.

You severely underestimate a trained pistolero...

[IRG CommandoJoe]

Why would it take me several minutes to simply pull out my gun, flick off the safety and shoot the guy?

[Alyeska]

Don't be a fucking idiot Shep.

You're the fucking idiot, Alyeska.

Our Witnesses were capable of getting CLOSE ENOUGH
to differentate between an AK-47 and a -74, as well as
getting a good look at the snipers face.... remember, he
whacked his latest target from just 40 fucking feet!

How is Mr. Sniper going to get away when he is lying face down
in the parking garage with a SUCKING CHEST WOUND
from a privately owned concealed handgun used by
a citizen/witness?

For Ted:
GLOCKS don't have external safeties...just point and
pull trigger = BOOM.

You severely underestimate a trained pistolero...

There is hardly any visual difference between the AK-47 and AK-74. The people identified an AK-47, but since it can't be chambered to 5.56mm it was assumed it was an AK-74 chambered for a 5.56mm. Funny thing is I recall the police saying the bullet rifling indicates a Styr Aug, not quite an AK-74.

And get off the high horse on concealed weapons Shep. There is a big fucking difference between the right to conceal and saying that everyone ought to conceal. There is also a really big thing known as personal survival. You whip that pistol out rather then fall to the ground and you might die. Then let us not forget that firing a weapon at someone in a crowded area is RECKLESS and could get people killed. Lets further pay attention to the fact that you can spot the general make of a weapon at a distance, a distance FURTHER then realistic pistol range.

FYI, here are a couple of pictures shep. Which one is the 74 and which one is the 47? And if you cheat to look at the URL, then don't bother respond. The 74 and 47 are visually identical.





And just as a little comparison. Do you think people would be able to tell these weapons apart if they saw them in the hands of the sniper?

http://world.guns.ru/assault/c7.jpg
http://world.guns.ru/assault/m16a2.jpg

[IRG CommandoJoe]

Last two pics don't work.

[Alyeska]

remove the http:// and they will work just fine.

[Ted]

None of the pics work.

[IRG CommandoJoe]

And get off the high horse on concealed weapons Shep. There is a big fucking difference between the right to conceal and saying that everyone ought to conceal. There is also a really big thing known as personal survival. You whip that pistol out rather then fall to the ground and you might die. Then let us not forget that firing a weapon at someone in a crowded area is RECKLESS and could get people killed. Lets further pay attention to the fact that you can spot the general make of a weapon at a distance, a distance FURTHER then realistic pistol range.

Wouldn't it be a good idea to get out of harm's way when you are being targeted by the sniper? If I were getting shot at, I'd screw trying to find the sniper and just hide. However, the gun would come in handy if I saw the sniper before he shot. Then I could at least deter him from shooting me or at others. And if I hid, heard the truck screech away, I'd aim at the truck and get off a few rounds so that it would be easier for the police to locate. If they gave or required courses teaching people such tactics before issuing them weapons licenses, it would be very beneficial to citizens.