Is it OK to flame trekkies for no reason?

[Dooey Jo]

Is it? I mean, it is so damn fun and they can say nothing to defend themself (other than some crazy words in klingon, which just makes the flaming a lot more fun, BTW ) but it feels kinda like stealing candy from a child. But it's more fun of course. But what do you think, is it okey to flame them, just because they are sitting there and speaking klingon to each other?

And I don't mean on this board or anything, I mean moraly.

[Mr Bean]

Moraly? Pah Morals are relative, However it is wrong to go around insulting people

That would make you=Uppity SOB

And we don't like Uppity SOBs here on this board

[Dooey Jo]

But if insult them in a very proper way. A very nice way, and then very politely explains to them why trek utterly sucks? That must be quite allright, right? But that isn't flaming is it?

[Larz]

:: smacks Dooey Jo :: Makes you no better than an idiot. Insulting people for the hell of it shows an inadequacy of the insulters intelligent. By all means you could, but don't be surprised when your karma drowns in the toilet.

[Mr Bean]

No even if your right, randomly insulting somone is wrong,

Don't piss in an idiots cheerioes for no reason

[Dooey Jo]

Let me explain the situation here:
A friend of mine really hates star trek. And when found out that there was a star trek club in a community that he was a member of he got really mad and decided to flame them, just for fun.
But the thing is, he isn't very good at retributing so the trekkies are kinda like smacking him down. I don't like to see my friends get smacked down so I'm thinking of going there and help him. But that's not a very good reason for a flame attack...

[Alyeska]

If you flame people for no other reason then "Just cause it seems popular" makes you out to be a very imature person who is easily amused by dumb things.

A Trekkie is someone who enjoys at least part of one series and knows a bit about Trek. Well, the MAJORITY of the people at SD.net can be termed a trekkie under that definition. Most like TOS, at least 2 of the movies, and have a vast encylopedic knowledge of Trek.

So, if you want to insult every single member of SD.net, just go right ahead, but be prepared to be flamed in return.

I also find your reasoning for flaming and counter responses to be appalling. You seem to be under the impression that when you insult someone, they will be able to insult you in return. Thats a rather narrow minded view point of how things work.

(FYI, I more or less called you a complete fucking idiot in the above post, and I didn't post it in Klingon giberish either, so your "theory" was just proven false).

[Alyeska]

Let me explain the situation here:
A friend of mine really hates star trek. And when found out that there was a star trek club in a community that he was a member of he got really mad and decided to flame them, just for fun.
But the thing is, he isn't very good at retributing so the trekkies are kinda like smacking him down. I don't like to see my friends get smacked down so I'm thinking of going there and help him. But that's not a very good reason for a flame attack...

So in other words your friend decided to attack people who were not harming him in any way, and when your friend couldn't handle it you think its just fine to defend him when HE is the agressor and the one in the wrong?

Kinda like siding with the mugger cause the intended victim beats the shit out of the mugger.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Dooey Jo, your friend is a fucking idiot and an asshole.

Randomly insulting someone for no reason whatsoever is what the bastards at places like the Elite Fitness board do.

[Dooey Jo]

So in other words your friend decided to attack people who were not harming him in any way, and when your friend couldn't handle it you think its just fine to defend him when HE is the agressor and the one in the wrong?

Kinda like siding with the mugger cause the intended victim beats the shit out of the mugger.

No I don't, so that's why I'm asking what you guys think about it.
Obvioulsy you don't seem to like the idea so I'm not going to help him.
But if their discussion becomes a SW vs. ST discussion, that will be a whole other story. Then I most certainly will help him if he would be unable to handle things himself. *gets crazy look on my face* Star Wars must win at every cost!!!

[Darth Valdemar]

No.

Flaming anyone for no reason other than for kicks, means you are nothing other than a L'Enfant Provocateur. Even if the subject of said flaming are trekkies.

It's OK to flame trekkies who are on a vs board debating ST vs Whatever, and are being an ass about it. But just flaming trekkies in their element for no reason, well... as I said.

[Dooey Jo]

Well, as I said: Should their debate become a versus debate, then I will help my friend out, but I just got an idea: I can teach him how to debate things more proper, then he wouldn't get his ass kicked every time he tries to prove anything.

[Larz]

Thats the spirit... spread the knowledge of proper debate... you do know proper debate... right... because it would be bad if you taught him wrong.

[Alyeska]

So in other words your friend decided to attack people who were not harming him in any way, and when your friend couldn't handle it you think its just fine to defend him when HE is the agressor and the one in the wrong?

Kinda like siding with the mugger cause the intended victim beats the shit out of the mugger.

No I don't, so that's why I'm asking what you guys think about it.
Obvioulsy you don't seem to like the idea so I'm not going to help him.
But if their discussion becomes a SW vs. ST discussion, that will be a whole other story. Then I most certainly will help him if he would be unable to handle things himself. *gets crazy look on my face* Star Wars must win at every cost!!!

Even if they start debating SW vs ST, that is still not reason enough to flame them. It seems obvious they are new to the idea of debating ST vs SW and they logically don't know quite so much as we do. Coming in and insulting them will only polarize the sides.

FYI, I am a trekkie (you can find me in Mike's flame mail page). I have found some boards that attempted ST vs SW debates. Some of them had some rather absurd stuff (Runabouts taking on SSDs, 8km long SSDs, Tie-Fighters having greater firepower then anything in Trek, etc...) and I did my best to show them they were incorrect and they should try and look into it. I managed to convince a bunch of trekkies that the Executor is 17km long, not 8km long. They thought I was a warsie, but when they finally asked I told them the truth. I try and look at the truth of the matter. That meant I was teaching them to look broadly at the data before making a conclussion.

So rather then instantly flame them if a ST vs SW debate starts, try talking to them. If you flame them, you will anger them and they will ingore anything of substance you have. If you inform them through rational discussion and show them the evidence, they are more apt to accept it.

The only reason Mike flames n00bs is because Mike already has a massive website set up for people to look at and already states in his e-mail section that he will grind you to pieces if you debate him without reading his site. The same thing does not apply to people who are debating in some other forum and are not using Mike for any source of information.

[Dooey Jo]

Even if they start debating SW vs ST, that is still not reason enough to flame them. It seems obvious they are new to the idea of debating ST vs SW and they logically don't know quite so much as we do. Coming in and insulting them will only polarize the sides.

FYI, I am a trekkie (you can find me in Mike's flame mail page). I have found some boards that attempted ST vs SW debates. Some of them had some rather absurd stuff (Runabouts taking on SSDs, 8km long SSDs, Tie-Fighters having greater firepower then anything in Trek, etc...) and I did my best to show them they were incorrect and they should try and look into it. I managed to convince a bunch of trekkies that the Executor is 17km long, not 8km long. They thought I was a warsie, but when they finally asked I told them the truth. I try and look at the truth of the matter. That meant I was teaching them to look broadly at the data before making a conclussion.

So rather then instantly flame them if a ST vs SW debate starts, try talking to them. If you flame them, you will anger them and they will ingore anything of substance you have. If you inform them through rational discussion and show them the evidence, they are more apt to accept it.

The only reason Mike flames n00bs is because Mike already has a massive website set up for people to look at and already states in his e-mail section that he will grind you to pieces if you debate him without reading his site. The same thing does not apply to people who are debating in some other forum and are not using Mike for any source of information.

I'm not going to flame them, not until the time is right. When all their arguments are crushed and they start using insults, then is the time for flaming.

And if they don't start calling me names and such, then there won't be any flaming from my side. I'm not the kind of guy who would start a war...

That's how you do it here. DarkStar's topics always started fine and all the people were being nice to each other but after ten pages, a full scale flame war was going on.

Oh well, I guess this post doesn't make much sense but I will do as you suggest Alyeska.

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

Well, if they're idiots, and you're refuting their arguments, you have a reason for flaming.

No reason would be saying they're dicks and not backing it up.

[Vertigo1]

Actually, you shouldn't flame them even if they resort to using insults. That would sink yourself down the the level of your "enemy". If you can keep your cool, and provide valid evidence to prove them wrong, then there is no need to throw insults because you've already won.

Think about it for a second. Lets say....ohh....if Alyeska and I got into a debate over a ripped-shirt kirk vs....ohh, I dunno....The Fonz. If I kept providing evidence to dis-prove Alyeska's claims to RSK being superior, and he resulted to insults and I didn't...who would look more "in the wrong" to a third party? Me or Alyeska?

This is why you'll rarely see me throw insults in a debate (unless the twerp is just "stirring the pot". Then all bets are off and I'm coming unglued. )

[Darth Wong]

It's OK to flame Trekkies if they're being idiots. It's not OK to flame Trekkies simply for being Trekkies.

[Dooey Jo]

I think I do have a pretty good reason to flame them, then. No, I got two reasons to flame them:

1. They are total idiots. I know that now. I saw their debate on "how wonderful it would be living in the federation" and pointed out to them that the feds are acctually commies. I gave them some proof and some hours later, the flames from them were coming... They had no reason to flame me, I politely showed them some evidence of communism in Star Trek and they, not quite so politely, told me to go to hell for ruining their day.

2. They flamed me for no reason. Therefor I have a reason to flame them for no reason.

[2000AD]

I think you can also flame them if it's some1 already established as an idiot from long ago, eg. Darkstar/RSA, TOWNMNBS, Grahaem Kennedy, etc, etc

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Is it? I mean, it is so damn fun and they can say nothing to defend themself (other than some crazy words in klingon, which just makes the flaming a lot more fun, BTW ) but it feels kinda like stealing candy from a child. But it's more fun of course. But what do you think, is it okey to flame them, just because they are sitting there and speaking klingon to each other?

And I don't mean on this board or anything, I mean moraly.

No. Logic is used for knowledge and defense, never for attack.

[Sothis]

Speaking as a Trekkie, I can't say I'd appreciate being flamed and insulted simply because of the TV show I watch, or the way I show my enjoyment of the show. How would you like Dooey, if people flamed you because of the shows you like?

[Howedar]

Is it? I mean, it is so damn fun and they can say nothing to defend themself (other than some crazy words in klingon, which just makes the flaming a lot more fun, BTW ) but it feels kinda like stealing candy from a child. But it's more fun of course. But what do you think, is it okey to flame them, just because they are sitting there and speaking klingon to each other?

And I don't mean on this board or anything, I mean moraly.

You are an idiot.

[Colonel Olrik]

You are an idiot.

And I add that yes, it's OK to flame an idiot if he gives us a reason

[Bob McDob]

Don't call idiots idiots, idiots.