Band of Brothers returns

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-06-01 03:29am

http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0%2C1 ... %2C00.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainmen ... 216925.stm

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2004-06-01 03:46am

At least they seem to be picking the right people for the job (like that award-winning writer to head the writing team). I guess it could turn out great.

But the Japanese; I hope they stay as historically accurate regarding them as possible and try not to be too politically correct.

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2004-06-01 05:43am

Maybe they'll have another episode where a guy shoots himself in the leg and dies after two minutes, and 30 minutes later have a guy getting his whole leg blown off and not dying at all

They'd better get good writers!

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-06-01 05:46am

Dooey Jo wrote:Maybe they'll have another episode where a guy shoots himself in the leg and dies after two minutes, and 30 minutes later have a guy getting his whole leg blown off and not dying at all

They'd better get good writers!

That was explained. The bullet from the pistol cut the main artery. You die from that damn quick, IIRC.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-06-01 05:46am

And another stint in Rome for the BBC, this time in the twilight days of the Republic? Not bad.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2004-06-01 06:27am

Dooey Jo wrote:They'd better get good writers!

You must be kidding. What they did for BoB was awesome, you can't deny that! And I thought the leg thing was great.

Phil Skayhan · Post by **Phil Skayhan** » 2004-06-01 06:41am

Dooey Jo wrote:Maybe they'll have another episode where a guy shoots himself in the leg and dies after two minutes, and 30 minutes later have a guy getting his whole leg blown off and not dying at all

They'd better get good writers!

I'm going to add something to Vympel's comment.

It's not only explained, it's what happened. Hoobler died from a wound to his right thigh. The only embelishment is that he died at an aid station shortly after he arrived instead of at the front line as depicted in BoB.

And did you neglect to see the real Bill Guarnere in the show where he and Heffron are in the wood overlooking Foy saying, "It could have been right here." Do you think his missing leg was a special effect?

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-06-01 08:26am

Phil Skayhan wrote:
Dooey Jo wrote:Maybe they'll have another episode where a guy shoots himself in the leg and dies after two minutes, and 30 minutes later have a guy getting his whole leg blown off and not dying at all

They'd better get good writers!
I'm going to add something to Vympel's comment.

It's not only explained, it's what happened. Hoobler died from a wound to his right thigh. The only embelishment is that he died at an aid station shortly after he arrived instead of at the front line as depicted in BoB.

And did you neglect to see the real Bill Guarnere in the show where he and Heffron are in the wood overlooking Foy saying, "It could have been right here." Do you think his missing leg was a special effect?

With all the wanking Hollywood has done with war movies,he thought it was another one they added in the story.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-06-01 09:51am

This is wonderful news. The more I can get of WW2 in a real setting, the better. Band of Brothers and Saving Private Ryan were excelent.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-06-01 09:59am

Alyeska wrote:This is wonderful news. The more I can get of WW2 in a real setting, the better. Band of Brothers and Saving Private Ryan were excelent.

heart wrenching, often times nauseating... but supremely excellent.

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2004-06-01 02:32pm

Vympel wrote:That was explained. The bullet from the pistol cut the main artery. You die from that damn quick, IIRC.

Yes, I heard them explain that, and I know getting an artery cut is lethal. But wouldn't the artery be even more cut if your whole leg was cut off? He should have died faster then the other guy.

Besides, I find it strange that people always can talk, and seem like they're going to make it, five seconds before they die. Then they just die, like that. Without going unconscious first.

Phil Skayhan wrote:And did you neglect to see the real Bill Guarnere in the show where he and Heffron are in the wood overlooking Foy saying, "It could have been right here." Do you think his missing leg was a special effect?

Actually, I did not see that part. Was it in the beginning, because I missed the first five minutes (it was on TV last friday).

Shroom Man 777 wrote:You must be kidding. What they did for BoB was awesome, you can't deny that! And I thought the leg thing was great.

How was that great?
I'm not saying they didn't do a good job (which is why they'd better get good writers, so they don't screw with the legacy), I just think it got a bit exaggerated at times. But they say they based it on war-stories from veterans and I supposed exaggerations are to be expected if that's the case.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-06-02 01:14am

Dooey Jo wrote:
Vympel wrote:That was explained. The bullet from the pistol cut the main artery. You die from that damn quick, IIRC.
Yes, I heard them explain that, and I know getting an artery cut is lethal. But wouldn't the artery be even more cut if your whole leg was cut off? He should have died faster then the other guy.

I haven't seen BoB so I don't know of the scene in question, but just by guessing perhaps the guy who got his leg blown off also had the wound cauterised by the explosion. A bullet piercing the artery won't do that, but I think an explosion might.

Phil Skayhan · Post by **Phil Skayhan** » 2004-06-02 02:36am

Dooey Jo wrote:
Phil Skayhan wrote:And did you neglect to see the real Bill Guarnere in the show where he and Heffron are in the wood overlooking Foy saying, "It could have been right here." Do you think his missing leg was a special effect?
Actually, I did not see that part. Was it in the beginning, because I missed the first five minutes (it was on TV last friday).

Ahh...you haven't seen the whole series? Understandable then. I have the book as well as the DVD box set (pick it up if you can). The last installment is interviews with some of the surviving members of Easy Company including Guarnere and Heffron revisiting Bastone.

Give me a few minutes and I'll get a screencap of the scene in question.

EDIT: Pic added

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-06-02 03:07am

If the entire leg is cut off, reaching the artery to pinch it shut would be very much easier than digging into the bullet hole ala Blackhawk Down.

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2004-06-03 10:55am

Yes, but he didn't get any medical attention for at least 10 minutes IIRC (which I might not. My memory of the eipsode is starting to fade)

Stofsk wrote:I haven't seen BoB so I don't know of the scene in question, but just by guessing perhaps the guy who got his leg blown off also had the wound cauterised by the explosion. A bullet piercing the artery won't do that, but I think an explosion might.

It's possible, but it didn't look cauterised IIRC. Maybe that's what happened to the real Guarnere (that was the guy, right?), and they forgot about it in the show? Could be for a more dramatic look, I suppose...

Phil Skayhan wrote:Ahh...you haven't seen the whole series? Understandable then. I have the book as well as the DVD box set (pick it up if you can). The last installment is interviews with some of the surviving members of Easy Company including Guarnere and Heffron revisiting Bastone.

Okay, well, I guess they'll show it eventually. And I don't really doubt the things depicted really happened, I just don't think it happened exactly that way. Like the guy actually dying at an aid station instead of at the front line (which would probably mean he didn't die as fast as he did in the episode), for example.

Phil Skayhan · Post by **Phil Skayhan** » 2004-06-03 04:48pm

Dooey Jo wrote:
Phil Skayhan wrote:Ahh...you haven't seen the whole series? Understandable then. I have the book as well as the DVD box set (pick it up if you can). The last installment is interviews with some of the surviving members of Easy Company including Guarnere and Heffron revisiting Bastone.
Okay, well, I guess they'll show it eventually. And I don't really doubt the things depicted really happened, I just don't think it happened exactly that way. Like the guy actually dying at an aid station instead of at the front line (which would probably mean he didn't die as fast as he did in the episode), for example.

It's a minor nitpick at best.

I felt it was my task to make my best judgement on what was true, what had been misremembered, what had been exaggereated by the old soldiers telling their war stories, what acts of heroism had been played down by a man too modest to brag on himself.

So I have circulated the manuscript of this book to the men of Easy Company. I have recieved a great deal of critisism, corrections, and suggestions in return. Winters and Lipton especially have gone through it line by line. This book is, then, very much a group effort. We do not pretend that this is the full history of the company, an impossibility given the vagaries of memory and the absence of testimony from men killed in the war or since deceased. But we do feel that, through our constant checking and rechecking, our phone calls and correspondence, our visits to the battle sites, we have come as close to the true story of Easy Company as possible.
- Stephen E. Ambrose, Band of Brothers pg 312

I use that quote to allay your qualms of things not being depicted exactly as they happened. But even so, the differences between that and what we are shown are probably so small as to not merit mentioning. And certainly not enough to question the quality of the writers.

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2004-06-04 08:23am

Phil Skayhan wrote:
Dooey Jo wrote:
Phil Skayhan wrote:Ahh...you haven't seen the whole series? Understandable then. I have the book as well as the DVD box set (pick it up if you can). The last installment is interviews with some of the surviving members of Easy Company including Guarnere and Heffron revisiting Bastone.
Okay, well, I guess they'll show it eventually. And I don't really doubt the things depicted really happened, I just don't think it happened exactly that way. Like the guy actually dying at an aid station instead of at the front line (which would probably mean he didn't die as fast as he did in the episode), for example.
It's a minor nitpick at best.

I suppose it is. I found it illogical at the time, but if that's the way it really happened, fine. Point conceded. I still find it weird though, but I guess weird thing does happen.

*snip*

I use that quote to allay your qualms of things not being depicted exactly as they happened. But even so, the differences between that and what we are shown are probably so small as to not merit mentioning. And certainly not enough to question the quality of the writers.

I really should have phrased that comment of mine better... I meant that I didn't want the show to go the way Star Trek and many other originally good series went because of bad writers.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2004-06-04 03:39pm

Band of Brothers was the best goddamn miniseries I've ever seen. Anything in a similar vein, if done as well, is sure to be also fantastic.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2004-06-04 09:05pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:Band of Brothers was the best goddamn miniseries I've ever seen. Anything in a similar vein, if done as well, is sure to be also fantastic.

BoB was outstanding, although the best miniseries I've ever seen was Shogun

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2004-06-05 01:01am

Lonestar wrote:
DPDarkPrimus wrote:Band of Brothers was the best goddamn miniseries I've ever seen. Anything in a similar vein, if done as well, is sure to be also fantastic.

BoB was outstanding, although the best miniseries I've ever seen was Shogun

Well, I haven't seen that. Care to lend it to me?