Doom Metal

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2004-06-03 07:00pm

What exactly is this genre, and how does it differ from black and death metal? Are there any popular doom bands that I should look into?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-06-03 07:05pm

They all sound the same to me. That is, crap.

Seriously, how many new types can there be? They all have a dude screaming at the top of his voice or someone whispering into the mic whilst a noise of sorts is played by the band.

Bah, maybe you should get more of that stuff you showed me, Rye.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-06-03 07:06pm

we have doom metal now? *scratches head*

Bertie Wooster · Post by **Bertie Wooster** » 2004-06-03 07:10pm

excerpt from http://www.allmusic.com

just type in doom metal under "Style"

*for some reason I can't get the direct URL*

genre: Rock
Inspired largely by the lumbering dirges and stoned, paranoid darkness of Black Sabbath, doom metal is one of the very few heavy metal subgenres to prize feel and mood more than flashy technique (though the latter can certainly be present). Even more indebted to Sabbath than most metal, doom metal is extremely slow, sludgy, and creepy, feeling so heavy it can barely move; its deliberate pace and murky guitars are meant to evoke (what else?) a sense of impending doom. The movement began to take shape in the mid-'80s, as underground bands like the SST label's Saint Vitus, the critically acclaimed Trouble, and Sweden's Candlemass attracted cult audiences for their out-of-fashion, Sabbath-dominated sounds. Trouble and Cathedral helped bring doom metal to a wider (though not mainstream) metal audience during the early '90s, and doom's monolithic darkness quickly made it appealing to a variety of tastes. Doom metal was one of the formative influences on the retro-obsessed stoner metal movement of the '90s, and it was not uncommon for bands to find favor in both camps. Another dominant strain of '90s doom metal — pioneered by British bands like Paradise Lost, My Dying Bride, and Anathema — fused Sabbath heaviness with the sounds and sensibilities of goth-metal, plus occasional touches of death metal; the results were sorrowful, gloomy epics. The '90s also birthed a unique doom metal scene centered in New Orleans; the sound of bands like Crowbar and Eyehategod was often described as "sludge metal" because of their heavy debt to early Seattle grunge bands like the Melvins and Soundgarden. Several doom metal bands incorporated progressive tendencies, though this approach was much less widespread.

Related Styles: Death Metal/Black Metal Heavy Metal Stoner Metal Goth Metal Symphonic Black Metal Sludge Metal

Some Important Albums
Reflections: The Best of Paradise Lost
Paradise Lost [1998] Carnival Bizarre
Cathedral [1995]
Crimson Cosmos
Lake of Tears [1997] Sundown
Cemetary [1996]
Eternity [Bonus Tracks]
Anathema [2003] Trouble
Trouble [1990]
Ethereal Mirror
Cathedral [1993] Angel and the Dark River [Bonus Tracks]
My Dying Bride [2003]
Manic Frustration
Trouble [1991] Icon
Paradise Lost [1993]
Volume One
Sleep [1991] Nightfall [Bonus Disc]
Candlemass []
Heavier Than Thou
Saint Vitus [1991] Be Forewarned
Pentagram [1995]

Some Important Songs
Embers Fire by Paradise Lost
Under the Oak by Candlemass
Crown of Sympathy by My Dying Bride
Clear Windowpane by Saint Vitus
Ride by Cathedral
Last Time by Paradise Lost
Sentient by Anathema
For You by My Dying Bride
Solitude by Candlemass
Bitter Truth by Saint Vitus
As I Die by Paradise Lost
Bastards Will Pay by Trouble
Born Too Late by Saint Vitus
Midnight Mountain by Cathedral
Fear No Evil by Trouble
Look Behind You by Saint Vitus
Hopkins (The Witchfinder General) by Cathedral
Carnival Bizarre by Cathedral
Some Important Artists
Anathema Candlemass
Cathedral Cemetary
Lake of Tears Memento Mori
My Dying Bride Paradise Lost
Pentagram Saint Vitus
Solitude Aeturnus Trouble

Some Important Artists
Anathema Candlemass
Cathedral Cemetary
Lake of Tears Memento Mori
My Dying Bride Paradise Lost
Pentagram Saint Vitus
Solitude Aeturnus Trouble

edit:added artist list

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2004-06-03 07:27pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:They all sound the same to me. That is, crap.

Seriously, how many new types can there be?

An absolute assload. Go on browse by genre.

They all have a dude screaming at the top of his voice or someone whispering into the mic whilst a noise of sorts is played by the band.

Bah, maybe you should get more of that stuff you showed me, Rye.

Mortician? Deathgrind according to that site.

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You should get some Fear Factory, bestest signing evaaaa!!111boobies

Bertie: thanks.

Saurencaerthai · Post by **Saurencaerthai** » 2004-06-03 09:43pm

My Dying Bride

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2004-06-04 01:35am

Rye wrote:What exactly is this genre, and how does it differ from black and death metal? Are there any popular doom bands that I should look into?

Doom Metal is a metal genre characterised by a slow pace, a generally manic-depressive atmosphere (hence the name), power chords bridged across glacial rhythm, as well as often being composed under the influence of marijuana.

Atomik Chicken · Post by **Atomik Chicken** » 2004-06-06 08:37pm

Peregrin Toker wrote:Doom Metal is a metal genre characterised by a slow pace, a generally manic-depressive atmosphere (hence the name), power chords bridged across glacial rhythm, as well as often being composed under the influence of marijuana.

Hurray for marijuana!

...don't mind me

constantine · Post by **constantine** » 2004-06-06 09:01pm

Wow! There are Death Metal fans here?

That rules!

Bertie Wooster · Post by **Bertie Wooster** » 2004-06-06 10:09pm

Atomik Chicken wrote:
Peregrin Toker wrote:Doom Metal is a metal genre characterised by a slow pace, a generally manic-depressive atmosphere (hence the name), power chords bridged across glacial rhythm, as well as often being composed under the influence of marijuana.
Hurray for marijuana!

...don't mind me

that's dull.

Saurencaerthai · Post by **Saurencaerthai** » 2004-06-06 10:34pm

constantine wrote:Wow! There are Death Metal fans here?
That rules!

-gives Constantine a doublekick roll of affirmation!-

Atomik Chicken · Post by **Atomik Chicken** » 2004-06-06 11:06pm

constantine wrote:Wow! There are Death Metal fans here?

That rules!

WE ARE _EVERYWHERE_!

Atomik Chicken · Post by **Atomik Chicken** » 2004-06-06 11:08pm

Bertie Wooster wrote:
Atomik Chicken wrote:
Peregrin Toker wrote:Doom Metal is a metal genre characterised by a slow pace, a generally manic-depressive atmosphere (hence the name), power chords bridged across glacial rhythm, as well as often being composed under the influence of marijuana.
Hurray for marijuana!

...don't mind me
that's dull.

*sigh*
Wecome to my world...

constantine · Post by **constantine** » 2004-06-07 01:30am

Sweet! I still religiously listen to Morbid Angel. Heh! Religiously. That's a good one.

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2004-06-07 01:35am

Pffft... Iron Maiden and Iced Earth are the absolute masters of metal.

EDIT: I'm sorry, I meant to say the unquestioned ruler-gods of metal.

Atomik Chicken · Post by **Atomik Chicken** » 2004-06-07 02:14am

Solid Snake wrote:Pffft... Iron Maiden and Iced Earth are the absolute masters of metal.

EDIT: I'm sorry, I meant to say the unquestioned ruler-gods of metal.

I'm all about old school Black Sabbath, the grandfathers of metal

constantine · Post by **constantine** » 2004-06-07 03:59am

Atomik Chicken wrote:
Solid Snake wrote:Pffft... Iron Maiden and Iced Earth are the absolute masters of metal.

EDIT: I'm sorry, I meant to say the unquestioned ruler-gods of metal.
I'm all about old school Black Sabbath, the grandfathers of metal

Yeah - Sabbath basically created metal.

It goes like this:
1. Sabbath
2. Slayer

Slayer's 'Reign in Blood' is by far one the most quintessential metal albums EVER.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2004-06-07 12:44pm

constantine wrote:
Atomik Chicken wrote:
Solid Snake wrote:Pffft... Iron Maiden and Iced Earth are the absolute masters of metal.

EDIT: I'm sorry, I meant to say the unquestioned ruler-gods of metal.
I'm all about old school Black Sabbath, the grandfathers of metal
Yeah - Sabbath basically created metal.

It goes like this:
1. Sabbath
2. Slayer

Slayer's 'Reign in Blood' is by far one the most quintessential metal albums EVER.

It's not that simple.

Sabbath practically started the whole thing, but Slayer and other Thrash Metal bands wouldn't have been around without for the New Wave Of British Heavy Metal spearheaded by Motörhead and Judas Priest.

Oh - and nice to see another metaller here. I'd still warn you that there's not much cohesion among the "metal community" on SDN - look at the chasm between me and Rye. Whereas I firmly assert that Metal is the musical expression of Nihilist and existentialist philosophy, Rye only cares whether or not it is audially pleasing... unsurprisingly, he listens to Cradle Of Filth and Dimmu Borgir. (bands which are, by more serious metallers, considered worse sellouts than Metallica)

Solid Snake wrote:Pffft... Iron Maiden and Iced Earth are the absolute masters of metal.

I don't know about Iced Earth, but Iron Maiden are kinda overrated. They're technically speaking very talented musicians... but compositionally it's pretty much bog-standard NWOBHM. For example, the main riff in Two Minutes To Midnight literally sounds like it's stolen straight from the title track of Venom's Welcome To Hell.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2004-06-07 01:54pm

Peregrin Toker wrote: Oh - and nice to see another metaller here. I'd still warn you that there's not much cohesion among the "metal community" on SDN - look at the chasm between me and Rye. Whereas I firmly assert that Metal is the musical expression of Nihilist and existentialist philosophy, Rye only cares whether or not it is audially pleasing... unsurprisingly, he listens to Cradle Of Filth and Dimmu Borgir. (bands which are, by more serious metallers, considered worse sellouts than Metallica)

Heh, quite true, this is probably from my hedonistic outlook on life in comparison to your more nihilistic one which i really cannot see the point in.

I don't know about Iced Earth,

You should be ashamed of yourself.

but Iron Maiden are kinda overrated. They're technically speaking very talented musicians... but compositionally it's pretty much bog-standard NWOBHM. For example, the main riff in Two Minutes To Midnight literally sounds like it's stolen straight from the title track of Venom's Welcome To Hell.

I'd have to agree here. Power metal was never my thing anyway, just reminds me of glam.

Oh and atomik chicken/constantine: look at my playlist of FEAR!

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2004-06-07 02:46pm

Rye wrote: Oh and atomik chicken/constantine: look at my playlist of FEAR!

A question: Why listen to Cradle Of Filth and Dimmu Borgir while you already have Bal-Sagoth, the band whom CoF and Dimmu Borgir are pale imitations of?

And why listen to Marduk when you can listen to Impaled Northern Moonforest?

BTW- I do know who Iced Earth are, I just meant that I haven't heard anything by them.

BTW#2 - Now Playing: Metalucifer - Heavy Metal Samurai

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2004-06-07 03:02pm

Peregrin Toker wrote: A question: Why listen to Cradle Of Filth and Dimmu Borgir while you already have Bal-Sagoth, the band whom CoF and Dimmu Borgir are pale imitations of?

Why not listen to both? It'd be pointless limiting of my music-listening experience by ignoring bands because other bands were musically better or did things first.

And why listen to Marduk when you can listen to Impaled Northern Moonforest?

See above. Although i've not listened to them yet. I do plan on doing though.

BTW- I do know who Iced Earth are, I just meant that I haven't heard anything by them.

Ah. I have one album by them, that's quite good, though apparently they've got older and better albums.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2004-06-07 03:22pm

Rye wrote:
Peregrin Toker wrote: A question: Why listen to Cradle Of Filth and Dimmu Borgir while you already have Bal-Sagoth, the band whom CoF and Dimmu Borgir are pale imitations of?
Why not listen to both? It'd be pointless limiting of my music-listening experience by ignoring bands because other bands were musically better or did things first.

I prefer 'Sagoth to either of those because:

1) One should be a leader, not a follower. By merely imitating 'Sagoth, CoF and Dimmu Borgir show that they have little innovation to bring.
2) Bal-Sagoth's song structures (at least the keyboard parts) tend to be much more complex than CoF's, at least.
3) I've tried to listen to Dimmu Borgir, but it just struck me as dull and uninspiring.
4) Bal-Sagoth aren't in it for the money.... which Dimmu Borgir and CoF are - heck, CoF have signed to a label owned by Sony... and D.B. even played at DISNEYLAND for Cthulhu's sake! There is few places upon Earth which are less metal than Disneyland! (the Vatican and the whole of Israel being among those places less metal than Disneyland)
5) 'Sagoth NEVER relied on gratutious female nudity.

Okay, I'll admit it - there's actually a couple of Bal-Sagoth imitators I like: Thyrfing and Finntroll. But Thyrfing at least aims to create the same atmosphere as 'Sagoth, conjuring up images of battle and broadswords and all that... and Finntroll throws polka influence into it all. Polka Metal - there's an original idea if I ever saw it.

Oh - and if you like Impaled Northern Moonforest, check out ÖRGH.

constantine · Post by **constantine** » 2004-06-07 10:34pm

Rye wrote:Oh and atomik chicken/constantine: look at my playlist of FEAR!

Nice playlist.

I just found a Disincarnate CD for $10 the other day. James Murphy - Best. Guitar. Soloist. Ever. He did the solos for Obituarys 'Cause of Death' which is a classic. Anybody know if he's still around.

Has anyone heard the new Slipknot? It kind of annoyed me, it sounds like they're pulling a Staind with all the ballads and crap.

constantine · Post by **constantine** » 2004-06-07 10:42pm

I'd most definately give it up to Judas Priest and Motorhead - I was listening to them years ago. In fact, I think I was listening to 'Turbo' when it came out.

Still...in every students path towards death metal, they must always walk through the doorway that is Slayer.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2004-06-08 09:10am

constantine wrote:I'd most definately give it up to Judas Priest and Motorhead - I was listening to them years ago. In fact, I think I was listening to 'Turbo' when it came out.

Whoa... "Turbo"? Isn't that considered one of the weakest link in the JP chain?

Still...in every students path towards death metal, they must always walk through the doorway that is Slayer.

Really? I thought the godfathers of death metal were Possessed...

(Slayer, BTW, is Thrash Metal)

Has anyone heard the new Slipknot? It kind of annoyed me, it sounds like they're pulling a Staind with all the ballads and crap.

Slipknot never struck me as worth attention. It certainly isn't even remotely sophisticated.

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