Potential employment consequences of a goatee

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-06-09 07:36am

As told by my parents:

Father: "get rid of that thing, you're not going to get a job with that"
(to which I replied I'm not looking for one, seeing as how the next 3 months is all College of Law)

Mother: "they'll think you have something to hide"

What. The. Fuck.

Shit I put up with ...

On the plus side, the chicks dig it, both online (*looks at Zaia*) and offline.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-06-09 07:41am

Quote to your father the Equal Opportunity and Fair Practices acts (or some such) and the Discrimination Acts which state that discrimination based on appearance is against the law (except in retail, and entertainment, but hey).

And they they can tell you how ignorant you are, 'cause we never get tired of hearing that, do we?

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-06-09 07:48am

Crown wrote:Quote to your father the Equal Opportunity and Fair Practices acts (or some such) and the Discrimination Acts which state that discrimination based on appearance is against the law (except in retail, and entertainment, but hey).

You know, it cuts me to the bone that you thought of that instead of me. Who's the lawyer here again?

And they they can tell you how ignorant you are, 'cause we never get tired of hearing that, do we?

Nope, not at all. And the inevitable sitting there and talking to himself in frustration at my audacity to challenge his omniscience.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-06-09 08:11am

You've got a goatee now, Vympel? The one and only pic I saw of you showed a respectable clean-shaven face.

Incidentally how old are you? No offence, but it sounds like your parents are still treating you like a child, when you present yourself as an adult. Perhaps you can assert your age? Tell them "I'm an adult now." If I'm not too presumptuous, that is.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-06-09 08:13am

facial hair prevents you from getting a job? Thats a new one. i have a goatee and work in a professional environment. My friend Dan has one... he's a senior network administrator for a financial services company. I have friends that have various moustaches, goatees and full beards that work in banks, as engineers etc. Hell, my father is a 50 year old Vice President and senior engineer and he had a full beard. As long as it is kept neatly trimmed and you don't have any shaggy looking stubble, you should be fine. Unless you want to work in a restaraunt, then all bets are off.

SecondStorm · Post by **SecondStorm** » 2004-06-09 08:20am

A lawyer with a goatee.....

BURN BURN BURN BURN!!!!!!

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2004-06-09 08:20am

THIS Dan also sports a Goatee, and I just got a promotion. That's right, phone jock 1st class, bitches! I broke the goddamned poverty line! 'Bout good and goddamn well time, too.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2004-06-09 08:24am

I had a goatee and i loved it ..... it's just that everyone else says i look better without it. BAH!

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2004-06-09 08:28am

I grow a goatee while not in uniform for a while, (ie over Christmas), but as soon as it's time to put the blue or green back on, off it comes.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-06-09 08:34am

Vympel wrote:
Crown wrote:Quote to your father the Equal Opportunity and Fair Practices acts (or some such) and the Discrimination Acts which state that discrimination based on appearance is against the law (except in retail, and entertainment, but hey).
You know, it cuts me to the bone that you thought of that instead of me. Who's the lawyer here again?

Don't sweat it kiddo (hehe), I do induction for all the new recruits at my site, so I kinda have this thing down pat.

And they they can tell you how ignorant you are, 'cause we never get tired of hearing that, do we?
Nope, not at all. And the inevitable sitting there and talking to himself in frustration at my audacity to challenge his omniscience.

Ooooh, if he tries to show examples where he (in a position to hire someone) didn't hire them, you can say; I advice you to speak to your solicitor, because you can be sued for that. At which point his blood pressure should nearly explode because not only did you miss the point of his little anecdote, but you are also right!

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-06-09 08:46am

I hate all face hair, but if you want to have one, Vym, then they can't stop you and neither can any company unless it's an explicit contradiction to their rules.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-06-09 09:21am

Stofsk wrote:You've got a goatee now, Vympel? The one and only pic I saw of you showed a respectable clean-shaven face.

There's an earlier picture, which Weemadando (where IS he, btw!?) hosted for me. It's on one of the old what do you look like threads. I'll put it up again now, since I don't remember the last URL ...

Dalton sez: inline large images

Apart from being .... 2 years younger in that picture (and with slightly longer hair, shit need a haircut) and having no glasses, that's me at this point, goatee included.

Incidentally how old are you? No offence, but it sounds like your parents are still treating you like a child, when you present yourself as an adult. Perhaps you can assert your age? Tell them "I'm an adult now." If I'm not too presumptuous, that is.

22 going on 23. Ridiculous isn't it?

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-06-09 10:06am

fuck that dude, you need to get your own place for the sake of your own sanity, and fast. You're an educated guy, you'll land on your feet.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-06-09 10:25am

Col. Crackpot wrote:fuck that dude, you need to get your own place for the sake of your own sanity, and fast. You're an educated guy, you'll land on your feet.

That's what my friends tell me. It'll go like this:

- 3 more months of college of law (practical training)
- prescribed work experience period (must be approved by college of law)
- admitted to the practice by Supreme Court
- job

It'll be a while (a year? more?) - right now I just don't have the money to move out.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2004-06-09 12:01pm

You're hiding something from us, aren't you.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-06-09 12:17pm

Frank Hipper wrote:You're hiding something from us, aren't you.

OMG, He's gay! That's it! Quick Frank, call Saturday night live, we've found a member for the Gay Communist Gun Club!

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » 2004-06-09 12:30pm

Nothing personal, but your parents are weird with a touch of paranoid.

But yeah, I like goatees.

It's so cool that they're fashionable right now. Lots of 'em! YAY!

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-06-09 12:32pm

What makes them think this? There's only a handful of jobs i can think of where wearing a goatee might be frowned upon, such as a front desk person at an upscale motel/hotel, or possibly working in the food industry. Even then the most they might ask is that it be kept trim.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2004-06-09 12:54pm

I think I saw a poll once which found people trusted clean shaven faces over hairy ones. Your Dad is wrong, people do find jobs with goatees....but I reckon to be frank your chances would be slightly higher if you shaved it off.

McC · Post by **McC** » 2004-06-09 01:02pm

Hell, in my field (digital animation), some kind of facial hair is practically a part of the uniform! (Want proof? Either go to SIGGRAPH or have a look at behind the scenes videos on your Ep I/II DVDs)

Another case of parents not having a clue.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-06-09 01:18pm

That's the first I've ever heard of a goatee causing problems with getting a job, however, I know that employers do take personal appearance into account. If you think you can get hired looking like a pin cushion then you'll be sadly mistaken.

Of course, that depends on the job you're applying for as well.

desertjedi · Post by **desertjedi** » 2004-06-09 01:23pm

Of course they won't tell you that you dodn't get the job because of our goatee or appearance, but if appearance didn't matter, why dress nicely for interviews at all?

The place I work at, facial hair isn't frowned upon, but it must be kept neat and you are not allowed to grow the beard or whatever style while working, gotta do it during vacation or days off...

Me, I'm native american, we don't grow much in the facial hair department.

Post by **The Wookiee** » 2004-06-09 01:27pm

*scratches at full beard* My father envies this thing. And I interviewed for my job with it and still have it. I'd say your parents are lunatics.

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2004-06-09 01:40pm

SD.net must be ruining my mind, somehow I read "goatee" as "goatse", as in the "goatse.cx" man.

Anyways, some parents are just like that, my dad keeps telling me to cut my every month or so, claiming that it looks messy & sloppy when it's longer. His words are kindly ignored, I get my hair cut every 3-4 months or so.

Larz · Post by **Larz** » 2004-06-09 01:44pm

Don't listen to them, it won't hinder your ability to land jobs (never stopped me). Just make sure to keep it well kept (AKA don't go into a professional interview with a beardfro containing last weeks lunch...)