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I was wondering if I should:

1)Buy Norton Anti virus 2003
2)Get a burned copy from a friend
3)Download it off of Kazaa

I am kinda leaning toward buying a copy because I would like to be able to download new virus definitions and upgrade to a new version whenever they release it. Or is that just all smoke and mirrors to yank more money from a person?

Offically you should buy a copy because we should not promote software pirating on Mike's board.

Its not very expensive and you can pull down updates on a weekly basis really easily.

My personal favorite is Norton Corporate Edition.

You must Buy Norton as you must have a Valid String to update your anti-virus protectiong

Considering some places sell it for less than $10

Buy it

You can get the full SystemWorks for like $5-10 bucks + S&H.

phongn wrote:You can get the full SystemWorks for like $5-10 bucks + S&H.

Where? I look on Norton's website and I fine Antivirus 2003 for 50 bucks.

King Cosmos wrote:

phongn wrote:You can get the full SystemWorks for like $5-10 bucks + S&H.

Where? I look on Norton's website and I fine Antivirus 2003 for 50 bucks.

Look at PriceWatch or PriceGrabber.

eh I'm lucky. My school system has a licence for all students to use viruscan. I turn it off though since it's slow. People are really too paranoid about viruses. As long as you have backups who gives a damn. The only use I have is to scan downloaded files, and I'm lazy.

Mr Bean wrote:You must Buy Norton as you must have a Valid String to update your anti-virus protectiong

Not true.

You can get VirusScan (illegal for you since you don't have a license but who gives a f*cking damn) with updates and all from here:

http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/DIT/software/mcafee/

Is giving him this technically legal? After all the school system did'nt bother to put this on a password protected server or anything.

Yes. He is not covered under the license and therefore it is illegal for him to use it. Secondly, McAfee AV sucks.

Pu-239 wrote:eh I'm lucky. My school system has a licence for all students to use viruscan. I turn it off though since it's slow. People are really too paranoid about viruses. As long as you have backups who gives a damn. The only use I have is to scan downloaded files, and I'm lazy.

1. It takes time to restore a computer from backup and time to backup everything. Unless you have one of the very expensive tape drivers it'll take some time to burn CDs.
2. Meanwhile, you may be spreading viruses to other people.

eh I'm lucky. My school system has a licence for all students to use viruscan. I turn it off though since it's slow. People are really too paranoid about viruses. As long as you have backups who gives a damn. The only use I have is to scan downloaded files, and I'm lazy.

Thats okay if you are a student with lots of free time. In a company your virus can spread to other machines bringing down the network and idling lots of expensive engineers. Nimbda has such capabilities.

Not true.[/qutoe]
How so?

Where? I look on Norton's website and I fine Antivirus 2003 for 50 bucks.

Thats the full suit, That Everything from Norton Utilites and Firewall to Antivirus

I picked up my last version of Norton from Sam's Club the 2003 Version for a mear $6.99

SystemWorks always seems cheaper than just NAV by itself (I got it for around 15 USD for the defrag and disk scanning utilities -- NAV standalone was 35 USD [not Internet Security, which cost more]). In any case, normal NAV is time limited (one year, with more updates costing extra), while the Corporate Edition (actually just a rebranded Intel LANDesk Antivirus) is not. Fortunately for me, my university provides a free copy of NAV-CE to all students, so I don't have to pay for program or updates.

You can get around Norton's time limitation for NAV by uninstalling the software (BEFORE the key expires), deleting the LiveUpdate files hidden in the settings folder and Registry, and reinstalling; the key is considered new again. This doesn't work for the other products in the SystemWorks suite, though. I'm not sure if Symantec will like that (scratch that -- they WON'T like it -- but probably won't catch it due to the expiry data being stored locally for NAV, AFAIK).

LiveUpdate expires after one year. You can still download the updates off of their website.

phongn wrote:LiveUpdate expires after one year. You can still download the updates off of their website.

Actually, no. Downloaded updates now check for a current LiveUpdate key before allowing you to install (at least for SystemWorks 2002).

Mr Bean wrote:

RedWizard wrote:Not true.

How so?

There is no serial. Any copy can be updated without any trouble. The only limitation is Liveupdate's one year time limit.

Datana wrote:

phongn wrote:LiveUpdate expires after one year. You can still download the updates off of their website.

Actually, no. Downloaded updates now check for a current LiveUpdate key before allowing you to install (at least for SystemWorks 2002).

All you have to do is reinstall it to get another year. It's also possible to change the registry key without reinstalling, but I don't remember which key it is.

Heh, I didn't know that. I'll check later about that (some of our home machines have NAV2K).

We had NAV-CE at my former university - much nicer than the personal edition.

FYI, under Windows 2000, the file containing the LiveUpdate expiry information is in C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Symantec\LiveUpdate. There's also a Windows Registry setting that has to be modded as well if hacking the expiry file is to work (though it's relatively simple around that, once you've hacked the expiry file -- just copy the hacked file into a fresh install and it "updates" itself the first time you start NAV). The most recent versions of LiveUpdate seem to be catching on, though, and resets the expiration to one year if it detects something fishy, from what I hear. Haven't had to do that in two years due to having NAV-CE, so don't know if it still works. The file's probably had a checksum added or something since, hence the detection ability.

King Cosmos wrote:I was wondering if I should:

1)Buy Norton Anti virus 2003
2)Get a burned copy from a friend
3)Download it off of Kazaa

I am kinda leaning toward buying a copy because I would like to be able to download new virus definitions and upgrade to a new version whenever they release it. Or is that just all smoke and mirrors to yank more money from a person?

Do 1)
2) is just plain piracy.
3) is piracy for idiots. If I were to share pieces of retail software on a network like that, I'd be sure to include a virus or two just to serve that whole ironic justice thing.

Pu-239:

Not only are you lazy, but stupid, thoughtless, and selfish. You are not even doing this on your own computer. Can you not, in your self centered pea brain, conceive of you infecting the system with a virus, and data that other students need TO GET A FUCKING GRADE is lost, PERMANENTLY, or not available IN TIME TO MEET THE DEADLINE? (Thus getting a LOWER grade!) You will probably use the copout that whoever lost their data should have had backups. If the systems crashes WHILE YOU ARE ON IT, you will lose your data you are using at that time. This kind of logic is used to steal stuff from unlocked cars, because the owner should have locked it, so he is to blame for it being stolen. You are WILLFULLY bypassing COMMON SENCE safety measures, and the ones who will suffer will be not be you, because you are the ASSHOLE driving the wrong way on a one way street, so of course YOUR safety belt is buckled. To bad about the OTHER GUY.

PS: I hope someone steals your senior project, and you have to do it over.

Just how old ARE you, anyway? This level of repsoncability is LITERALY childish. I hope you are not old enough to own a firearm, with your cavalier attitude.

Grisoft AVG Antivirus is free. Forget Norton and McAfee.

Emperor Chrostas the Crue wrote:Pu-239:

Not only are you lazy, but stupid, thoughtless, and selfish. You are not even doing this on your own computer. Can you not, in your self centered pea brain, conceive of you infecting the system with a virus, and data that other students need TO GET A FUCKING GRADE is lost, PERMANENTLY, or not available IN TIME TO MEET THE DEADLINE? (Thus getting a LOWER grade!) You will probably use the copout that whoever lost their data should have had backups. If the systems crashes WHILE YOU ARE ON IT, you will lose your data you are using at that time. This kind of logic is used to steal stuff from unlocked cars, because the owner should have locked it, so he is to blame for it being stolen. You are WILLFULLY bypassing COMMON SENCE safety measures, and the ones who will suffer will be not be you, because you are the ASSHOLE driving the wrong way on a one way street, so of course YOUR safety belt is buckled. To bad about the OTHER GUY.

Where did you get the idea that this was a school computer? I never said that. What I was saying was that the school lets you download it's AV software on the student's own computer. Besides all important stuff is neatly stashed away on floppy disks and CD-Rs. Of course for a business or public environment or some other mission critical environment you need AV software. The school system neglects to update it's antivirus software anyhow, and has disabled the ability to do this. My computer is already unstable running only 6 programs as it is. Running an additional program makes it really unstable. Besides an occasional scan per week will suffice for my downloading habits.

Chill out. Some people say I need to calm down, but I think you do.

It does'nt take that long for me to restore the base system with word processor and all from backup anyways. Most of the time when I lose files I lose them when I don't pay attention and press shift-delete to delete things permanently. I'm running a primarily internet/gaming/experimental machine.