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Was the Italian cop justified in wasting "Carlos"?

I hate protestors.

That seems likely. It looks like "Carlos" was right on top of him, less than 6 feet away and charging. That's a perfectly legitimate self-defense situation; you can't let it go hand-to-hand.

If he was 60 feet away, it would be a little different.

Darth Wong wrote:That seems likely. It looks like "Carlos" was right on top of him, less than 6 feet away and charging. That's a perfectly legitimate self-defense situation; you can't let it go hand-to-hand.

If he was 60 feet away, it would be a little different.

Please note the very heavy bludgeoning weapon in his hands.

Yes, he was justified. That guy was ready to smash his head.

IIRC at least one officer in the jeep was already incapacitated when the shot was fired. Its was completely justified, and is seems that firing earlier would have been as well.

In this instance I belive the shooting was justified. The police as clear reason to believe he wanted to do bodily harm to them.

I hate protestors.

Not all protesters are the same. I hate these WTO protester types. That doesnt mean there is never a valid time and place for protest or civil disobedience.

Besides, I consider these guys to fall into the definition of rioters and not protestors.

Looks like it. I'd cap a guy who was about to hit me with one of those.

shooting him was one thing, running him over with the car was another and uncalled for.

Hyperion wrote:shooting him was one thing, running him over with the car was another and uncalled for.

He was dead by that point, and they had no other choice but to run him
over to get out of DODGE right fuckin now...

Hyperion,

Agreed, although it's possible that the cops either panicked or perhaps they were just looking to put some distance between them and the crowd.

XPViking

Agreed, although it's possible that the cops either panicked or perhaps they were just looking to put some distance between them and the crowd.

Just looking at the still photos we also cant be sure of the timing. The driver of the jeep might not have realized the dead guy was even there. Mabye he was backing up as the cop in the back shot the protester.

That guy was dead before the bullet finished exiting. Better the police back over him then get forced into a situation where they have to shoot someone else.

Sea Skimmer wrote:That guy was dead before the bullet finished exiting. Better the police back over him then get forced into a situation where they have to shoot someone else.

if indeed he was dead at that point then it makes my point moot.

How?

Hyperion wrote:

Sea Skimmer wrote:That guy was dead before the bullet finished exiting. Better the police back over him then get forced into a situation where they have to shoot someone else.

if indeed he was dead at that point then it makes my point moot.

At the angle the bullet appears to have entered it would have wiped out much of his brain. Looks like it entered on his left side above and slightly behind the ye and likely exited out the right back of his skull. That takes it right through some rather important things. Chances are they shot him with a FMJ, typical of Euro police forces. Not much of a damage path, but enough to kill him instantly in this case.

Even if he wasn't dead, I don't have sympathy. Most of these hard-core anarchists should be rounded up and put to work on the third world draining swamps.

If you're going to be an idiot and go after a guy with a gun with a weapon, prepare to be shot.

I've previously stated that the cop in that instance was justified in his use of force. The protestor was a VERY short distance away, had him cornered and was armed with a weapon that would at the very least cause grievous bodily harm.

A troop of soldiers shooting at dispersing protestors 60 ft away however...

Well... I think it was justified, but the cop could've tried to aim elsewhere, you know? I don't know what calibre European pistols are, but it is my understanding that they are usually smaller than American ones... Still, a chest shot should've been enough to disable the guy.

You know at this point, Carlos was probably thinking something to the effect of: "Oh shit. This was a bad idea."

Exonerate wrote:Well... I think it was justified, but the cop could've tried to aim elsewhere, you know? I don't know what calibre European pistols are, but it is my understanding that they are usually smaller than American ones... Still, a chest shot should've been enough to disable the guy.

When you life is in danger, which it certainly was, you shoot to kill not to wound. A chest shot at the ranges and angled involved would have been either fatal within a minute, or have been totally ineffective and left the person still able to finish heaving the fire extinguisher before running away in a damn lot of pain.

You cannot reasonably fault this officer in any way.

btw, for the record, i have no problems with the cop's actions, i would have done the same in his case.

Exonerate wrote:Well... I think it was justified, but the cop could've tried to aim elsewhere, you know? I don't know what calibre European pistols are, but it is my understanding that they are usually smaller than American ones... Still, a chest shot should've been enough to disable the guy.

Looks to me like the extinguisher and tire were in the way, and the only open target was the guy's head.

XaLEv wrote:

Exonerate wrote:Well... I think it was justified, but the cop could've tried to aim elsewhere, you know? I don't know what calibre European pistols are, but it is my understanding that they are usually smaller than American ones... Still, a chest shot should've been enough to disable the guy.

Looks to me like the extinguisher and tire were in the way, and the only open target was the guy's head.

Hmm. A near to the chest shot might also not be a good idea if it hit the fire extinguisher. Anybody know what would happen? Ricochet or explosion or just a bad leak?

Carlos would've been a damn pencil when I got done with him.