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Ewo wrote:This is mostly some old news but since there was a post about Gore possibly being president, I thought I would share a few words about Bush. I had done a lot of research last year on the oil crisis when the government wanted to invade the Artic National Wildlife refuge to drill for oil. I am trying to work in conservation right now, so I have a huge backgroud on this stuff.

First off, most of Bush's campaign funds came from his oil supporters in Texas, where he was governor (in secret meetings held in 1999, Shell, Mobil, and Exxon gave him $58,900). They would pay him off for public immunity to their pollution levels as well.

Second, the first things Bush does in office are lighten all of the restrains put in place by the EPA (environmental protection agency) during the Clinton administration, which included increasing the acceptable levels of arsenic in the drinking water!

Third, here are a few sites for you to check out what he has done lately and how for over the past year at least, top EPA officials have been resigning in frustration. It is like they are fighting against the president when they are supposed to be working with him. To me, aside from anything doing with terrorism, Bush is a crappy president with a limited view of the future. IF he can't see that what he is doing is killing us, then Fuck him. I hope he gets arsenic poisoning or gets burned in an oil spill while at his ranch in Texas. I have a lot more to say on the issue and hundreds of sources, but was wondering how many people were aware of this and if they hate Bush too?

http://www.democrats.org/news/200203050003.html
http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/2002_07.asp#1016

First off, most of Bush's campaign funds came from his oil supporters in Texas, where he was governor (in secret meetings held in 1999, Shell, Mobil, and Exxon gave him $58,900). They would pay him off for public immunity to their pollution levels as well.

Second, the first things Bush does in office are lighten all of the restrains put in place by the EPA (environmental protection agency) during the Clinton administration, which included increasing the acceptable levels of arsenic in the drinking water!

Bush is a crappy president with a limited view of the future. IF he can't see that what he is doing is killing us, then Fuck him. I hope he gets arsenic poisoning or gets burned in an oil spill while at his ranch in Texas. I have a lot more to say on the issue and hundreds of sources, but was wondering how many people were aware of this and if they hate Bush too?

Ewo wrote:This is mostly some old news but since there was a post about Gore possibly being president, I thought I would share a few words about Bush. I had done a lot of research last year on the oil crisis when the government wanted to invade the Artic National Wildlife refuge to drill for oil. I am trying to work in conservation right now, so I have a huge backgroud on this stuff.
First off, most of Bush's campaign funds came from his oil supporters in Texas, where he was governor (in secret meetings held in 1999, Shell, Mobil, and Exxon gave him $58,900). They would pay him off for public immunity to their pollution levels as well.
Second, the first things Bush does in office are lighten all of the restrains put in place by the EPA (environmental protection agency) during the Clinton administration, which included increasing the acceptable levels of arsenic in the drinking water!
Third, here are a few sites for you to check out what he has done lately and how for over the past year at least, top EPA officials have been resigning in frustration. It is like they are fighting against the president when they are supposed to be working with him. To me, aside from anything doing with terrorism, Bush is a crappy president with a limited view of the future. IF he can't see that what he is doing is killing us, then Fuck him. I hope he gets arsenic poisoning or gets burned in an oil spill while at his ranch in Texas. I have a lot more to say on the issue and hundreds of sources, but was wondering how many people were aware of this and if they hate Bush too?

http://www.democrats.org/news/200203050003.html
http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/2002_07.asp#1016

jegs2 wrote:Frankly, I place economic well-being and the price I have to pay for fuel above considerations for the environment. Does that mean I don't care about the environment?

jegs2 wrote: Why don't I hate Bush? Frankly, I place economic well-being and the price I have to pay for fuel above considerations for the environment. Does that mean I don't care about the environment? No. I just means that I care less about the envioronment than the price of fuel, the readiness of the US Armed Forces to engage and destroy its enemies, and the security of the nation. As an apparent environmentalist, you obviously feel differently. There appear to be more folks out there who value my opinion than value yours (most of Gore's votes not being based upon his concern for the environment, but instead other issues). It is understandable that you and others who think like you will dislike Bush. Nonetheless, I don't see Environmentalism ever being a deciding factor in any presidential election.

Ewo wrote:This is mostly some old news but since there was a post about Gore possibly being president, I thought I would share a few words about Bush. I had done a lot of research last year on the oil crisis when the government wanted to invade the Artic National Wildlife refuge to drill for oil.
INVADE the Artic National Wildlife refuge...since when is it invasion to go into your OWN land, land I might add that the government donated to the cause. The US has the largest wildlife reserves on the continent and I'm pretty sure the world as well, look at Yosemite and Yellowstone...these are MASSIVE tracts of land set aside for presevation...oh that EVIL government.


First off, most of Bush's campaign funds came from his oil supporters in Texas, where he was governor (in secret meetings held in 1999, Shell, Mobil, and Exxon gave him $58,900). They would pay him off for public immunity to their pollution levels as well.

Oh YEAH, the Marc Rich pardons and the Chinese investors and the WHite House sleepovers in the Lincoln bedroom....SHUT THE FUCK UP ASSHOLE!!! It's $58,900 and you obviously have not put a SINGLE thought into that claim. The Democrats have been WHORES for decades on the money issue and you have the balls to whip this out as some sort of indictment?? Christ blind liberal fundies like you make me ill. Before you go point out the mote in your neighbor's eye, go pull the beam out of yours, assmonkey.

In additon I suppose that in a democracy a corporation has NO RIGHTS whatsoever eh? A company can't give money to a candidate that they support? Since when? Do we want to start saying that just because you're a big corporation that you have no rights to support those that support your agenda, that you cannot give money to those that you wish to give money to, that somehow it is immoral and evil for an oil company to support a candidate that will help them instead of hinder them yet the democrats and their allies, they can do as they please to support their candidates, give me a fucking break.



You don't like living in a capitalist democracy I suggest many other nations with a lower standard of living and a far worse environemntal record that you can go to.

Second, the first things Bush does in office are lighten all of the restrains put in place by the EPA (environmental protection agency) during the Clinton administration, which included increasing the acceptable levels of arsenic in the drinking water!

OH my god, am I surprised to see an unfounded assertion that Bush is somehow poisoning all of America?!? Thats right, the Republicans are soooo evil, they LIVE to kill Americans lsowly and painfully...unfortunately you can't have that fate.


Third, here are a few sites for you to check out what he has done lately and how for over the past year at least, top EPA officials have been resigning in frustration. It is like they are fighting against the president when they are supposed to be working with him. To me, aside from anything doing with terrorism, Bush is a crappy president with a limited view of the future. IF he can't see that what he is doing is killing us, then Fuck him. I hope he gets arsenic poisoning or gets burned in an oil spill while at his ranch in Texas. I have a lot more to say on the issue and hundreds of sources, but was wondering how many people were aware of this and if they hate Bush too?

Oh yeah, good points one and all...a crappy president with lack of vision. He lacks so much vision that we are prosecuting a war on terror and identifying threats to this nation, threats democrats were more than willing to overlook.

Your list of sites is understandably biased my good friend, go pedal this shit somewhere where people care and dream of a nice socialist state they can live in.
http://www.democrats.org/news/200203050003.html
http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/2002_07.asp#1016

Mr Bean wrote:

First off, most of Bush's campaign funds came from his oil supporters in Texas, where he was governor (in secret meetings held in 1999, Shell, Mobil, and Exxon gave him $58,900). They would pay him off for public immunity to their pollution levels as well.

Two parts to this
First 58,900$? HA! Thats it? Give you a comparsion, Gore Accepted Nearly 240,00$ From the Chinese Busnessmen, I'm suprised they gave him so little!, Oh and second part, I'll belive that when I see it, and so far I have not seen it

A BIG jump when one is talking about such things as it means alot of extra work

Bush is a crappy president with a limited view of the future. IF he can't see that what he is doing is killing us, then Fuck him. I hope he gets arsenic poisoning or gets burned in an oil spill while at his ranch in Texas. I have a lot more to say on the issue and hundreds of sources, but was wondering how many people were aware of this and if they hate Bush too?

Threating the Sitting President is a crime, Please provided you Address so I can send Black Helecopters to your present location

Bush has yet to do anything to seriously fuck anything up yet, Drilling in the Alaskan Nature Preserve is not a insanly large problem as most make it out to be, Sure an oilspill could ruin it... So could a Oil Spill along Floridia Beachs but you don't see Floridians batting an eye when Oil Tankers pass within Ten Miles of the state.

Mr Bean wrote:Ok lets see
Two parts to this
First 58,900$? HA! Thats it? Give you a comparsion, Gore Accepted Nearly 240,00$ From the Chinese Busnessmen, I'm suprised they gave him so little!, Oh and second part, I'll belive that when I see it, and so far I have not seen it

Your single one is redicilous, Sure on the level that SOUNDS Bad,(Increasing Arsenic in water supply sounds like=bad thing)

However as it should be noted Bush "increased" them back to the previous standered set in 94 by the Goverment (Washington Post 2001) after Clinton in his last moments of office issued a few hundred presidential orders one of which was reducing the amount of arsenic put into the water by roughly sixfold the already low levels would nessitate a huge invenstment in equipment and increaese distillation times as before I I remeber correclty it was one part per 14,750 parts of water(If you drank the water it would take sixty gallons before you got the equivlant of one breath of Ciggar smoke worth of arsneic... pretty good I'd say) while Clinton in his last moments increased it to rougly 89.000 parts... A BIG jump when one is talking about such things as it means alot of extra work

Threating the Sitting President is a crime, Please provided you Address so I can send Black Helecopters to your present location


Bush has yet to do anything to seriously fuck anything up yet, Drilling in the Alaskan Nature Preserve is not a insanly large problem as most make it out to be, Sure an oilspill could ruin it... So could a Oil Spill along Floridia Beachs but you don't see Floridians batting an eye when Oil Tankers pass within Ten Miles of the state.

Most of what I've heard over and over agian when it comes to drilling up there is
"What if thiers an oil spill?" "Just think what would happen if an oil spill occured!

Ect, Ect, I hear little else in the News about this except about the Threat of Oil Spills...

It was even jokeingly suggest if we only allowed Quadruple Titanium hulled Oil Tankers up how about then, the Seirra Club man on the show said no those could easily break apart...

Fokes, A Quad Titatinium Hull could probably absorb five or six Harpoon missles before it even touched the inner hull.... Maybe we could convice them if we started Ramming the Coast on purpose that it might be alot safer from Oil spill chances than the existing ones

jegs2 wrote:

Ewo wrote:This is mostly some old news but since there was a post about Gore possibly being president, I thought I would share a few words about Bush. I had done a lot of research last year on the oil crisis when the government wanted to invade the Artic National Wildlife refuge to drill for oil. I am trying to work in conservation right now, so I have a huge backgroud on this stuff.
First off, most of Bush's campaign funds came from his oil supporters in Texas, where he was governor (in secret meetings held in 1999, Shell, Mobil, and Exxon gave him $58,900). They would pay him off for public immunity to their pollution levels as well.
Second, the first things Bush does in office are lighten all of the restrains put in place by the EPA (environmental protection agency) during the Clinton administration, which included increasing the acceptable levels of arsenic in the drinking water!
Third, here are a few sites for you to check out what he has done lately and how for over the past year at least, top EPA officials have been resigning in frustration. It is like they are fighting against the president when they are supposed to be working with him. To me, aside from anything doing with terrorism, Bush is a crappy president with a limited view of the future. IF he can't see that what he is doing is killing us, then Fuck him. I hope he gets arsenic poisoning or gets burned in an oil spill while at his ranch in Texas. I have a lot more to say on the issue and hundreds of sources, but was wondering how many people were aware of this and if they hate Bush too?

http://www.democrats.org/news/200203050003.html
http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/2002_07.asp#1016

You're a DNC operative, aren't you? All of the above parrots many liberal Democrat speaches I've heard before. Why don't I hate Bush? Frankly, I place economic well-being and the price I have to pay for fuel above considerations for the environment. Does that mean I don't care about the environment? No. I just means that I care less about the envioronment than the price of fuel, the readiness of the US Armed Forces to engage and destroy its enemies, and the security of the nation. As an apparent environmentalist, you obviously feel differently. There appear to be more folks out there who value my opinion than value yours (most of Gore's votes not being based upon his concern for the environment, but instead other issues). It is understandable that you and others who think like you will dislike Bush. Nonetheless, I don't see Environmentalism ever being a deciding factor in any presidential election.

Right, getting the oil from the refuge isn't going to cause the caribou to drop dead but it will disrupt migration lines across the refuge. This will in turn cause their population to decrease.

Lastly, even if we had total access to all the world's oil, we should keep in mind that we are almost a the peak of oil "production". After this, we will have to drain the harder to reach resources and then what? I think the government needs to put a little more money into things like the hybrid car and other transport means to counter the oil shortage that will undoubtedly occur within the next few decades

Mr Bean wrote:

Right, getting the oil from the refuge isn't going to cause the caribou to drop dead but it will disrupt migration lines across the refuge. This will in turn cause their population to decrease.

IMO in the existing Drilling Locations they Simply rasied the Pipe-Line Ten feet off the Ground, after a week the local caribou ignore it and go right about Migrating

Lastly, even if we had total access to all the world's oil, we should keep in mind that we are almost a the peak of oil "production". After this, we will have to drain the harder to reach resources and then what? I think the government needs to put a little more money into things like the hybrid car and other transport means to counter the oil shortage that will undoubtedly occur within the next few decades

What do we do?

Go Nuclear Simple, (OMG! Scaaaaaaaaary Nuclear Power Plants, BOO! )

Mr Bean wrote:Threating the Sitting President is a crime, Please provided you Address so I can send Black Helecopters to your present location

Mr Bean wrote:Bush has yet to do anything to seriously fuck anything up yet, Drilling in the Alaskan Nature Preserve is not a insanly large problem as most make it out to be, Sure an oilspill could ruin it... So could a Oil Spill along Floridia Beachs but you don't see Floridians batting an eye when Oil Tankers pass within Ten Miles of the state.

Most of what I've heard over and over agian when it comes to drilling up there is
"What if thiers an oil spill?" "Just think what would happen if an oil spill occured!

Why is it a crime to threaten PotUS, when it isn't a crime to threaten anyone else? Wasn't it Abe Lincon who said no-one is above the law?

It wasn't an oil spill that was the problem, it was the fact that the last remaining large caribou herds migrated across where the proposed pipe-line would have gone, preventing them from reaching their major feeding ground in the summer.

Also, it would've taken land away from the Inuit without any recompense.

Ewo wrote:I have a lot more to say on the issue and hundreds of sources, but was wondering how many people were aware of this and if they hate Bush too?

Mr Bean wrote:

Why is it a crime to threaten PotUS, when it isn't a crime to threaten anyone else? Wasn't it Abe Lincon who said no-one is above the law?

Exuse me Ted but it IS a Cimre to threaten anyone however the President understanbly gets much faster response time than anyone else

It wasn't an oil spill that was the problem, it was the fact that the last remaining large caribou herds migrated across where the proposed pipe-line would have gone, preventing them from reaching their major feeding ground in the summer.

They already got around that problem, In the regions where drilling goes on they rasied the Pipe line until it was ten feet in the air, and as they though the Caribou ignored it

Enlightenment wrote:

Ewo wrote:I have a lot more to say on the issue and hundreds of sources, but was wondering how many people were aware of this and if they hate Bush too?

Shut up. Has no one told you that criticising a Republican president during wartime is unAmerican and treasonous? Report to the reeducation camp immediately.

phongn wrote:Any other wonderfully constructive comments to add, Enlightenment?

Sure. Americans are ignoring these little problems with Shrubby because it's viewed as unAmerican to criticise the US president during wartime. It's simply one of the larger flaws in (what passes for) American culture that dissent isn't socially tolerated.

Enlightenment wrote:

phongn wrote:Any other wonderfully constructive comments to add, Enlightenment?

Sure. Americans are ignoring these little problems with Shrubby because it's viewed as unAmerican to criticise the US president during wartime. It's simply one of the larger flaws in (what passes for) American culture that dissent isn't socially tolerated.