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Anyone remember the Sept. Assassination attempt on Karzai?

Posted: 2002-11-29 06:27am
by MKSheppard
Remember in September, when the Afghan prez
was almost killed?

Turns out the assassin-wannabe had been IDed
and was in the process of being tackled and having
the shit beat out of him by two friendly Afghanis,
when a US Navy SEAL opened up with his MP-5
and hosed all three dead.

Whoops.

The things you learn from reading Soldier of Fortune Magazine :twisted:

http://www.sofmag.com/story1.html

SEAL Team Six in Kabul: Eliminate the Threat
by Lt. Col. Robert K. Brown, USAR (Ret.)

SEAL Team Six, also known as the Naval Development Group, added another chapter to their controversial but murky history when one of its operatives blew away a would-be assassin attempting to take out Afghan President Hamid Karzai on 5 September in Kandahar, Afghanistan. Unfortunately, in the course of so doing, he also blew away two bystanders who had jumped the bad guy and wrestled him to the ground as soon as he started shooting.

Karzai was in Kandahar, his hometown, for the wedding of his youngest brother. He had completed his evening prayers and was being given a tour of the governor’s mansion across from the mosque. Hundreds of supporters were milling around the gates as his entourage prepared to leave when the shooter made his move.

According to an eyewitness, and Afghan boy neared Karzai’s vehicle. Karazi leaned out to shake his hand, as is the custom, and an Afghan in uniform moved forward and fired between four and eight rounds into the car wounding Kandahar Governor Gul Agha Sherzai in the neck. The assassin, a former Taliban, had been recruited into the Kandahar Palace Guard only 17 days earlier.

A 23-year-old shopkeeper, who had some martial arts background, wrestled the hitman to the ground and another friendly jumped in to assist. At that point the SEAL blazed away with most of a magazine from an MP5 submachine gun, killing all three.

I described the incident to two experienced law-enforcement types who stated that if this incident had occurred in the United States by a law-enforcement department it more than likely it would more than likely been classified as a “bad shooting.” One SWAT team member said, “The SEAL, if he pulled that in the United States, would have been charged with “voluntary manslaughter,” or even “second degree murder.”

But that’s in the United States. A highly decorated Vietnam veteran SEAL gave the other side of story. “Look,” he said, “the mission of the SEALS was to eliminate the threat. What if the Taliban shooter broke away and tossed a grenade in the car: Or pulled out a pistol and popped his target in the face?

The SEAL went on to say, “The assassin certainly met the definition of a threat because he fired a weapon. In this type of situation, in a combat zone, you eliminate the threat and then worry about the collateral damage. The SEAL shooter did the right thing.”

This particular SEAL mission is scheduled to end on or before 15 November. The Pentagon wants their special operators back as they have additional important missions for them, and figure that they can be replaced by Marines with embassy experience — who know the diplomatic-protection drill. These Marines will receive additional training and be controlled by the State Department Security.

Initially, Delta Force personnel, who receive a comprehensive block of instruction on executive protection as part of their Operator’s Training Course, (see sidebar) provided Karzai’s security. The security mission was handed-off to the SEALs sometime in August.

Posted: 2002-11-29 06:32am
by Evil Sadistic Bastard
That's the point. If you're not hostile, you drop to the floor.. If you're not hostile and you're holding a gun, you drop it and drop to the floor. The SEALs can't waste time weeding out the innocents - the terrors know who's neutral and who's not, the SEALs don't and there are people gunning for them.

Still, the SEAL who wasted the two civilians was an idiot. Obviously they were not hostile because they were tackling the hostile to the ground. But no, kill them all anyway.

Posted: 2002-11-29 09:29am
by Mike_6002
It was a confusing moment, I would be blasting away at the assassin general direction, and those 2 civs that got in the way SOL, that life and death!!!!!

But what did we get out of it another terrorist dead :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Posted: 2002-11-29 12:04pm
by Illuminatus Primus
What a fucking idiot.

Posted: 2002-11-29 12:06pm
by TrailerParkJawa
I remember seeing the assasination and wondering if they just wasted two bystanders. I also remember thinking since this was Afghanistan there would probably not be any consequenses. Its not fair to expect the SEALS to be trained like cops, but if we kill to many innocents our welcome will quickly expire.

Posted: 2002-11-29 05:00pm
by Stormbringer
Mike_6002 wrote:It was a confusing moment, I would be blasting away at the assassin general direction, and those 2 civs that got in the way SOL, that life and death!!!!!

But what did we get out of it another terrorist dead :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Wow, what a fucking wonderful sense of morality. Kill everyone, you're sure to get the guilty in there somewhere.

The SEAL fucked up. this should be looked at and if charges are warranted file them. If not send him back to the States.

Posted: 2002-11-29 05:02pm
by Mike_6002
Stormbringer wrote:
Wow, what a fucking wonderful sense of morality. Kill everyone, you're sure to get the guilty in there somewhere.
Works for me, shotgun justice

Posted: 2002-11-29 05:04pm
by Stormbringer
Mike_6002 wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
Wow, what a fucking wonderful sense of morality. Kill everyone, you're sure to get the guilty in there somewhere.
Works for me, shotgun justice
As long as you're the first one to go. Because frankly that idea went out with neanderthal.

Posted: 2002-11-29 05:06pm
by Mike_6002
Stormbringer wrote:
Mike_6002 wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
Wow, what a fucking wonderful sense of morality. Kill everyone, you're sure to get the guilty in there somewhere.
Works for me, shotgun justice
As long as you're the first one to go. Because frankly that idea went out with neanderthal.
Aren't some people still neanderthals like DorkStar

Posted: 2002-11-29 05:08pm
by Bastard
Mike_6002 wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
Wow, what a fucking wonderful sense of morality. Kill everyone, you're sure to get the guilty in there somewhere.
Works for me, shotgun justice
In that case:

FUCK
YOU

Posted: 2002-11-29 05:10pm
by Stormbringer
Mike_6002 wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
Mike_6002 wrote: Works for me, shotgun justice
As long as you're the first one to go. Because frankly that idea went out with neanderthal.
Aren't some people still neanderthals like DorkStar
So fucking what? You're advocating the "Kill 'em all and let God sort them out" method of criminal justice and all you want to do is babble about some trolls.

Congratulations, You're a Fucking Retard!!

Posted: 2002-11-29 05:12pm
by Mike_6002
I don't belive in the God sort'em out method, those civs were just SOL that moment, life's a bitch, now close this thread

Posted: 2002-11-29 05:15pm
by Stormbringer
Mike_6002 wrote:I don't belive in the God sort'em out method, those civs were just SOL that moment, life's a bitch, now close this thread
The mods don't close threads just because idiots start losing
Works for me, shotgun justice
Funny, seems like you were advocating it right here. Maybe that was my imagination.

Posted: 2002-11-29 05:17pm
by Mike_6002
Stormbringer wrote:
Mike_6002 wrote:I don't belive in the God sort'em out method, those civs were just SOL that moment, life's a bitch, now close this thread
The mods don't close threads just because idiots start losing
Works for me, shotgun justice
Funny, seems like you were advocating it right here. Maybe that was my imagination.
I'm a fucking moron, is that what you want to here, huh...huh, you happy now <Sticks out tounge at Stormbringer in sarcastic manner>

Posted: 2002-11-29 06:06pm
by Darth Yoshi
Quit spamming, fool.

How long did it take from the guy getting tackled to the SEAL wasting all three? It could have been an honest mistake. Still, measures do have to be taken to prevent something like this from happening.

Posted: 2002-11-29 06:25pm
by Sea Skimmer
I doubt this story. The SUV the American solider who shot him was in only had two bullet holes in the glass.