A Windows question

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-12-03 12:15am

How does Windows 2000 compare to Windows 98? Which is better? Which runs games and other apps better?

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-12-03 12:17am

Win XP Pro 0wnzor.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2002-12-03 12:17am

Depends on what you want to do and what hardware you have?

Windows 2000 is far better for business. Its more stable, it offers better security, it offers remote administration.

I have not personally noticed that Win2K is better or worse for gaming than 98. But Im not a super gamer either.

Windows 2K has lots of nice touches, like having to reboot less, you can stop a hung service, etc.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-03 12:17am

WinXP constantly bugs you to buy Microsoft shit and sign up for Microsoft privacy invasion. WinXP blows.

Win2000 is WinXP without the spyware.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2002-12-03 12:18am

Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:Win XP Pro 0wnzor.

Running Win98 right now. This machine also boots on XP. Win2000 is used at work. Of all three systems, the Win2000 is the most stable (has not yet crashed or frozen).

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-03 12:19am

Win ME works fine for me.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-12-03 12:20am

TrailerParkJawa wrote:Depends on what you want to do and what hardware you have?

Windows 2000 is far better for business. Its more stable, it offers better security, it offers remote administration.

I have not personally noticed that Win2K is better or worse for gaming than 98. But Im not a super gamer either.

Windows 2K has lots of nice touches, like having to reboot less, you can stop a hung service, etc.

1. Gaming, writing, graphics work, and internet surfing. Those are what I do with my comp.

2. Hardware:

AMD K6-2 500mhz
Voodoo 3 2000
128meg RAM
Ethernet card based cable internet access

Anything else?

Post by **Dalton** » 2002-12-03 12:22am

I don't know if the NT systems like Voodoo cards.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-03 12:23am

Shinova wrote:1. Gaming, writing, graphics work, and internet surfing. Those are what I do with my comp.

For gaming, Win98 is still the best platform, although Win2000 is very close. For graphics work, Win2000 is better because it handles large memory better. And for Net surfing, Linux is the best because it's vastly more secure on the client side.

2. Hardware:

AMD K6-2 500mhz
Voodoo 3 2000
128meg RAM
Ethernet card based cable internet access

Anything else?

If you want to run Win2k, you'll want at least 256MB of RAM. Win2k and WinXP are memory hogs.

PS. You can still get updated Voodoo win2k drivers off the Internet even though the company died.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2002-12-03 12:24am

AMD K6-2 500mhz
Voodoo 3 2000
128meg RAM
Ethernet card based cable internet access

Id put in some more Ram before installing Win2K. I recommend 256MB, although it will work with 128MB. I have Win2k installed on a p2-350 machine and its fine for Office work and web browsing.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2002-12-03 12:25am

I don't know if the NT systems like Voodoo cards.

I think 2K should be fine with a Voodoo card, but NT might not. NT is not a gaming OS anyway, it does not support Direct X.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2002-12-03 12:28am

Shinova wrote:How does Windows 2000 compare to Windows 98? Which is better? Which runs games and other apps better?

Win 9X pretty much sucks. It doesn't have good network support, it has shitty uptimes, and the DOS kernel makes it prone to crashing, burning and generally dying.

Win 2k has a stable NT kernel. It can run for weeks and months without being shut down. The video and sound drivers are mature enough to handle games, and it'll run DOS apps, Win 16, Win 32 and even some POSIX and OS/2 apps. Oh yeah, and Win 2k is fantastic on laptops.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2002-12-03 12:32am

2k is better than 98.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2002-12-03 12:32am

Shinova wrote:
TrailerParkJawa wrote:Depends on what you want to do and what hardware you have?

Windows 2000 is far better for business. Its more stable, it offers better security, it offers remote administration.

I have not personally noticed that Win2K is better or worse for gaming than 98. But Im not a super gamer either.

Windows 2K has lots of nice touches, like having to reboot less, you can stop a hung service, etc.

1. Gaming, writing, graphics work, and internet surfing. Those are what I do with my comp.

2. Hardware:

AMD K6-2 500mhz
Voodoo 3 2000
128meg RAM
Ethernet card based cable internet access

Anything else?

Hmm, the Voodoo thing has been addressed. The K6-2 500 should provide fairly ample horsepower. (It runs just fine on my IBM Thinkpad, which is a PII 233. Granted you're going to end up waiting longer for it to start up compared to Win9x).

And 128 MB of RAM, that's about the minimum you can get away with without encountering trouble. Buy more RAM. RAM is cheap.

Setting up the NIC and the internet settings should become easier, Win 2k was designed for a networking environment.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2002-12-03 12:40am

I've seen Windows 2000 run on 128MB of RAM. It wasn't pretty. I'd recommend 512MB, that way you'll be set. I wouldn't really recommend Window 98 to anyone. It's a disastrously stupid OS, and I learned that from troubleshooting it 12 hours a week. The way it handles network devices is particularly bad, and it only gets marginally better in 2000/XP.

Overall, I'd recommend 2000. I really don't see any reason to go to XP from 2000 other than ClearType font antialiasing and some of the GDI+ elements, but that only really matters for visually picky people like me.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2002-12-03 01:11am

I thought NT 4 support DirectX with SP6.

Oh well. I run 2k Pro; runs like a champ. Well, it doesn't care for really old DOS games... but then I don't run really old DOS games, so it all works out.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2002-12-03 01:21am

Uraniun235 wrote:I thought NT 4 support DirectX with SP6. :?:

Oh well. I run 2k Pro; runs like a champ. Well, it doesn't care for really old DOS games... but then I don't run really old DOS games, so it all works out. 8)

NT 4 bites, blows, sucks and does rimjobs. Needless to say, it shouldn't ne missed.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2002-12-03 01:26am

I thought NT 4 support DirectX with SP6.

I think NT supports earlier versions of Direct X , but not 7.0 and above which is what any gamer is gonna have.

It also does not support USB which is a pain for some people.

Datana · Post by **Datana** » 2002-12-03 02:14am

To clarify TPJ's post:
NT4.0 supports DirectX 5.0 with the latest service pack, but has no USB support or Plug and Play support. I wouldn't touch this with a ten-foot pole if you were doing anything related to gaming.
Windows 2000 has lousy DOS support in some areas (especially sound and direct hardware access), but is a step up from 98 in most ways (stability, ability to run Windows programs, usability). It supports all versions of DirectX, as well as USB; I'm not sure about Firewire, but I think that it's supported as well with a driver. It also requires significantly more memory for acceptable performance (I use 384 MB on my box running 2k at the moment, upgrading to 512 soon -- it was a bit sluggish with 256MB).

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-12-03 02:35am

Does Win2k go bonkers with lower memory like 128mb? Or does it just go slow?

And is there an option in Win2k to have it compensate for low-memory comps?

(Funny how we're calling a 128meg a low memory comp

)

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-12-03 03:17am

Darth Wong wrote:WinXP constantly bugs you to buy Microsoft shit and sign up for Microsoft privacy invasion. WinXP blows.

Win2000 is WinXP without the spyware.

Not with the correct key. It doesn't even ask for activation at all.
I think it's the key usually given with big packages (5+ licenses)

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2002-12-03 05:07am

Darth Wong wrote:WinXP constantly bugs you to buy Microsoft shit and sign up for Microsoft privacy invasion. WinXP blows.

Win2000 is WinXP without the spyware.

I don't know what you do, but my XP keeps it's mouth shut

It is vastly more stable than Win98, and deep inside it basically is a W2k with funky graphics..

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-12-03 05:27am

All this has been about Win2k Pro, yes?

Lord Sauron-Tyranus-Vader · Post by **Lord Sauron-Tyranus-Vader** » 2002-12-03 07:39am

Darth Wong wrote:WinXP constantly bugs you to buy Microsoft shit and sign up for Microsoft privacy invasion. WinXP blows.

Win2000 is WinXP without the spyware.

Uhh, tell me. I got XP pro for my graphics work and stuff like that. Big mistake. Cost me 200 bucks and the whole thing is one big giant ad. I especially don't like this: " The application has unexpectedly quit. would you like to send an error report to Microsoft?" Why the hell would I want to do that? Are the wonderful people at Microsoft gonna send me out a whole team of computer experts from their nearest location and correct the problem. No. I think they use the 'error reports' as comic releief.
'Hello, I cannot acess my porno site, please help.'
When is Microsoft stop with this?

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2002-12-03 07:46am

Lord Sauron-Tyranus-Vader wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:WinXP constantly bugs you to buy Microsoft shit and sign up for Microsoft privacy invasion. WinXP blows.

Win2000 is WinXP without the spyware.
Uhh, tell me. I got XP pro for my graphics work and stuff like that. Big mistake. Cost me 200 bucks and the whole thing is one big giant ad. I especially don't like this: " The application has unexpectedly quit. would you like to send an error report to Microsoft?" Why the hell would I want to do that? Are the wonderful people at Microsoft gonna send me out a whole team of computer experts from their nearest location and correct the problem. No. I think they use the 'error reports' as comic releief.
'Hello, I cannot acess my porno site, please help.'
When is Microsoft stop with this?

Just deactivate it. As you can all the other "dial-home" features of XP...

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