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Posted: **2002-12-09 01:10am**

http://film.guardian.co.uk/lordoftherin ... 17,00.html

God, this kind of thing is really getting old.

Posted: **2002-12-09 01:15am**

Funny how he forgets about the racial tolerance that is in LOTR. Like say Gimli falling in love with Galadriel and becoming friends with Legolas. Dumbass.

Posted: **2002-12-09 01:16am**

Wonder if this place is related to the UK newspaper The Guardian, it's little more then a tabloid some people actually take seriously.

Posted: **2002-12-09 01:21am**

It's political correctness run amok. Basically, if it was thought up by a white male, especially a dead white male, it MUST be racist.

Somebody needs to tell this clown that the Uruk Hai are not supposed to be Jamaicans (or any other blacks) just because they have dark skin and dreadlocks. If he sees Jamaicans in these obviously myth-inspired, twisted goblin creatures I think it says more about how he views African Americans than it does about Tolkien being a racist. Likewise, so what if the Rohirrim are white guys with blond hair. Given that Tolkien always said Middle Earth was meant to be a prehistoric Europe, why would the men of Middle Earth not look like Europeans?

Some people are just reading WAY too much into shit.

Posted: **2002-12-09 01:58am**

OI...why is it people see a dark evil guy and a white skinned person and they jump to the BS conclusion that it's an obvious thought that this story is saying Black=savage and only the white man can tame them.

Seriously it says a lot more about you than the author if that is the first thing to leap into your head...jeebus the man's a freakin moron.

Posted: **2002-12-09 02:01am**

Isn't it amazing how white male critics constantly notice these glaring stereotypes, but the people on the recieving end have to be informed about it?

Posted: **2002-12-09 02:04am**

That's because many white honky critics are edumucated folk

Posted: **2002-12-09 03:03am**

Ah yes, because of course the film is rascist, after all, just look at the leader of Isenguard how black do they come?

I'd also like to know how the Ents fit into his little theory.

Posted: **2002-12-09 03:05am**

"Epic of Gilgamesh" and "The Illiad" No shit sherlock. Go read them with the rescist brush and come back you pretentious crettin.

Posted: **2002-12-09 03:16am**

NecronLord wrote:Ah yes, because of course the film is rascist, after all, just look at the leader of Isenguard how black do they come? I'd also like to know how the Ents fit into his little theory.

Perhaps trees are considered a crime against humanity in the UK?

Posted: **2002-12-09 05:37am**

, or maybe it's just good old-fashioned Guardian-reading imperial guilt,

Says it all really. Bunch of moronic bleeding heart liberals. Pay no attention, no-one in the UK does.

Posted: **2002-12-09 05:41am**

Durran Korr wrote:http://film.guardian.co.uk/lordoftherin ... 17,00.html

God, this kind of thing is really getting old.

Ahh, the good ole' Guardianistas are at it again.

Posted: **2002-12-09 06:26am**

Ah, the Guardian, one of my favourite sources for political science papers.

Through in a quote from there. Then laugh at it. Academically, of course.

Posted: **2002-12-09 06:56am**

It is soaked in the logic that race determines behaviour.

Well, it is. All fantasy is. Elves behave one way, dwarves another, orcs another and so on.

Maybe we should get the Campaign for Equal Heights on to this...

Posted: **2002-12-09 08:26am**

A message to the critic: DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A FUCKING FANTASY DUMBASS!? DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS NUMEROUS OCCASIONS THAT SHOWED RACIAL ACCEPTANCE AND TOLERANCE!? DO YOU!? NO! DO YOu REMRMBER WHEN GIMLI FELL IN LOVE WITH AN ELF!??!
IS THAT RACISM!?
I'M SO FUCKING TIRED oF YOU FUCKING RACIAL CRITICS!: message ends.
Whew.
Now we got someone calling LOTR racist.... what is the world today, uber-political correctness land?
Fuck him.

Posted: **2002-12-09 09:35am**

Captain tycho wrote:A message to the critic: DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A FUCKING FANTASY DUMBASS!? DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS NUMEROUS OCCASIONS THAT SHOWED RACIAL ACCEPTANCE AND TOLERANCE!? DO YOU!? NO! DO YOu REMRMBER WHEN GIMLI FELL IN LOVE WITH AN ELF!??!
IS THAT RACISM!?
I'M SO FUCKING TIRED oF YOU FUCKING RACIAL CRITICS!: message ends.
Whew.
Now we got someone calling LOTR racist.... what is the world today, uber-political correctness land?
Fuck him.

Can I do that with a Redeemer Missile?

Posted: **2002-12-09 09:41am**

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
Captain tycho wrote:A message to the critic: DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A FUCKING FANTASY DUMBASS!? DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS NUMEROUS OCCASIONS THAT SHOWED RACIAL ACCEPTANCE AND TOLERANCE!? DO YOU!? NO! DO YOu REMRMBER WHEN GIMLI FELL IN LOVE WITH AN ELF!??!
IS THAT RACISM!?
I'M SO FUCKING TIRED oF YOU FUCKING RACIAL CRITICS!: message ends.
Whew.
Now we got someone calling LOTR racist.... what is the world today, uber-political correctness land?
Fuck him.
Can I do that with a Redeemer Missile?

I'd fuck him with this:

hehehehe.....

Posted: **2002-12-09 11:27am**

Actually, I think that the book is somewhat racist in its portrayal of the world, but that stems largely from Tolkien's nostalgia for the British Empire of old. The article brings up no good points, whatsoever. It presents none of the reasonable evidence necessary for making a case, and is outright idiotic in its fundamental approach to evidence.

Posted: **2002-12-09 11:54am**

Master of Ossus wrote:Actually, I think that the book is somewhat racist in its portrayal of the world,

How? Explain yourself.

Posted: **2002-12-09 12:27pm**

I view that $250 million they spent making the LOTR movies as wasted money..

EXT. (1500) GERMAN LIEBSTANDARTE ADVANCED COMMAND
POST (SOUTH)

Amid the swirling dust of advancing assault guns and
support vehicles, hundreds of Soviet prisoners are herded
to the rear by SS field police. They look to the sky as
several, low flying Fw-190’s zoom past and out of sight
over the open terrain.

EXT. (1200) RECON FLIGHT- 4TH (TANK-BUSTER) GROUP, 9TH
GROUND SUPPORT GESCHWADER (SOUTH)

Hundreds of smoke plumes float skyward as 3 Hs-129’s
loiter over the misty backwater of the battlefield.

[German]

MEYER
Anything?

PILOT #2
Hard to tell. No sign of any
significant force. This smoke’s not
making it easy.

MEYER
I want to go in for a better look.
These woods haven’t been cleared and I
don’t want any surprises.

The Hs-129 banks in to level off a few hundred feet above
the tree tops.

As if on cue, dense blocks of Soviet infantry preceding a
wedge of roughly 60 T-34’s begin to stream forth from a
wooded area.

MEYER
...This is group leader. I want all
Staffeln in the air on my coordinates.
Enemy armor in brigade
strength...dense blocks of
accompanying infantry...

A short time later, four groups of 68 brand new Hs-129’s
form up and fill the sky around Meyer’s plane. When
they’re ready, each begins its run of swooping in either
from behind or from the side of the target tank and
firing into its engine compartment. As the first group of
Hs-129’s peels off to refuel and return another staffel
swoops in to attack creating a cycle of destruction.
Soon, T-34’s are careening around the battlefield as they
attempt to avoid this unprecedented attack. In and
amongst the diving runs, Fw-190’s strafe the infantry and
drop high fragmentation sub-munitions.

Before long, dozens of Soviet tanks are destroyed and
smoking as Meyer directs the attack, Soviet fighters are
nowhere in sight. The brigade, severely mauled, limps
back into the woods and out of sight.

Posted: **2002-12-09 01:06pm**

Perinquus wrote:If he sees Jamaicans in these obviously myth-inspired, twisted goblin creatures I think it says more about how he views African Americans than it does about Tolkien being a racist.

Damn straight. They're just projecting their racism on others and attacking that so they can feel good about themselves.

Posted: **2002-12-09 01:07pm**

MKSheppard wrote:I view that $250 million they spent making the LOTR movies as wasted money..

Then start your own thread instead of trying to hijack this one.

Posted: **2002-12-09 01:38pm**

It's political correctness run amok. Basically, if it was thought up by a white male, especially a dead white male, it MUST be racist.

Somebody needs to tell this clown that the Uruk Hai are not supposed to be Jamaicans (or any other blacks) just because they have dark skin and dreadlocks. If he sees Jamaicans in these obviously myth-inspired, twisted goblin creatures I think it says more about how he views African Americans than it does about Tolkien being a racist. Likewise, so what if the Rohirrim are white guys with blond hair. Given that Tolkien always said Middle Earth was meant to be a prehistoric Europe, why would the men of Middle Earth not look like Europeans?

Some people are just reading WAY too much into shit.

yep, of course the men of middle earth are white it's set in EUROPE after all during the prehistoric peroid.

Posted: **2002-12-09 01:53pm**

Oh look, The Guardian.

I find that speaks volumes.

Posted: **2002-12-09 02:26pm**

Shep, stop trying to hijack threads. There are other things in the world aside from gun control for fuck's sake.

Oh, and by the way, I found The Secret of NIMH to be bigoted against scientists and in general a rodent-supremecist film. It should be taken off the shelves, along with The Lord of the Rings. </sarcasm>

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