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Alberta uprising feared

Posted: 2002-12-20 11:02pm
by MKSheppard
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2002/12/15/7340.html

Alberta uprising feared
By DAVID SANDS, Sun Media
Premier Ralph Klein expects an uprising on the right to lead a charge for Alberta's separation from Canada.

"There are enough people who are frustrated to form a political party, but I just don't know what they are going to do, other than to mount a movement for separation," Klein told The Sun. "And yes, I am concerned about it."

Voices in favour of Alberta leaving Canada are rising, the premier said.

"I know there are people out there who want to separate. I was listening to a radio show just the other day and there was caller after caller saying, 'We should separate. We've had enough.

" 'We're being ignored, we don't count in Canada. Not only as it relates to Kyoto but the Canadian Wheat Board, gun registration, senate reform, you name it. All we do is give and give and get nothing back,' " Klein said. "I understand that frustration, and I feel the same way. But there's still hope."

Movement by Ottawa on Alberta's continuing complaints is needed, the premier said, or even some provincial Tory supporters will turn their backs on the party because it hasn't had any effect.

Alan Cruikshank, deputy leader of the Alberta Social Credit Party, said Klein is dead right.

"We are trying as a party to keep our noses clean - we haven't taken any position on separation. But we are finding that many of our members are supportive of independence," Cruikshank said.

And, he added, a burgeoning movement in that direction may not be a bad thing.

"In the past, parties that have taken a more extreme position than the Tories on things like separation have often caused the central government to take more notice of Alberta's needs. It indirectly results in a way Albertans can apply political leverage."

Peter McCormick, a political scientist at the University of Lethbridge, said it's unlikely a separatist party would have much success in Alberta's current political climate.

McCormick said the Canadian Alliance on the federal scene and the Progressive Conservatives on the provincial scene both have had recent successes.

"Why would you go for another political party?" McCormick asked.

The Alliance has had the cost of the gun control registry revealed in the House of Commons, while the Alberta PCs have kept fighting the ratification of the Kyoto accord.

"It's the easiest thing on earth to form a political party. It's the hardest thing on earth to get enough votes," said McCormick.

McCormick said it never hurts in a province to have a separatist vein, even with "vague threats" of leaving Confederation, to make other governments take you more seriously.

"It's less likely we would be taken for granted," he said.

Posted: 2002-12-20 11:07pm
by Specialist
Personally I don't give a damn about the rest of Canada, but I wouldn't want any providence to leave. If they do, I would like Ontario to leave as well.

If it's not Quebec bitching it's Alberta! Who's next PEI!

Posted: 2002-12-20 11:43pm
by C.S.Strowbridge
Who cares about Alberta? If they left Canada would lose 90% of the drunk rednecks. Hell, their Premiere is an admitted alcoholic. Not recovering alcoholic, just alcoholic.

Posted: 2002-12-20 11:44pm
by XPViking
It's ridiculous. Will someone please get rid of that buffoon Klein?

XPViking
8)

Posted: 2002-12-20 11:48pm
by HemlockGrey
I was playing Risk 2210 the other day, and I noticed something.

'Alberta', 'Canada' and the 'Republic de Quebec' are three seperate territories(Greenland is also the 'Exiled States of America', which I think is pretty funny for some reason).

Hmm...maybe Avalon Hill is onto something here...

Posted: 2002-12-21 01:46am
by Darth Wong
Redneck whiners. They want to be Texas North.

Posted: 2002-12-21 03:22pm
by Ted
They're all yankee wankers, wanna be the us and all, really fucking stupid if you ask me.

Why the fuck would any sane person wanna be a yank?

Posted: 2002-12-21 03:53pm
by Sea Skimmer
If Canada disintegrates will anyone including its former citizens give a damn? I doubt it.

Posted: 2002-12-21 04:13pm
by HemlockGrey
Why the fuck would any sane person wanna be a yank?
Maybe because we kick fucking ass?

Posted: 2002-12-21 04:18pm
by Ted
Sea Skimmer wrote:If Canada disintegrates will anyone including its former citizens give a damn? I doubt it.
Actually, the Americans would, as they would loose their main ally, the ally that gets them out of diplomatic hell holes.

Posted: 2002-12-21 04:19pm
by Ted
HemlockGrey wrote:
Why the fuck would any sane person wanna be a yank?
Maybe because we kick fucking ass?
I said SANE, not INSANE.

Posted: 2002-12-21 10:12pm
by Enlightenment
HemlockGrey wrote:Maybe because we kick fucking ass?
Congratulations. You're stupid enough to be elected to the US Congress.

Posted: 2002-12-21 10:36pm
by Illuminatus Primus
Well this is so mature. Canadian and American Wankers Unite in the same damn thread. Grow the fuck up.

And there's no reason to be ashamed to be American unless you actually think Bush is a genius or care what Europe thinks.

Posted: 2002-12-21 10:40pm
by Raptor 597
Ted wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:If Canada disintegrates will anyone including its former citizens give a damn? I doubt it.
Actually, the Americans would, as they would loose their main ally, the ally that gets them out of diplomatic hell holes.
Stop smoking crack. You call American's conceited assholes take a look in the mirror.

Posted: 2002-12-21 10:49pm
by Icehawk
I actually care about things like this. As a humanist I tend to value unity over independance or segregation. The world is already divided enough. I say its time we move towards bringing it more together.

Sure this may sound hippylike but its just the way I think. Im sick of hearing ignorant nationalists or sovereignists bitching about shit like that. Get over it, your not going anywhere. Your human beings just like everyone else and you can learn to live together regardless of whatever federal gov't policies you don't like.

Posted: 2002-12-21 11:43pm
by paladin
Goodie, the US can use a new state. So, this way stupid Americans can really be confused. Like they aren't confused already. :roll:

Posted: 2002-12-21 11:58pm
by HemlockGrey
Canada needs to send in the troops and give the Albertians a royal asswhomping. We did that 140 years ago, not a threat of secesson since.

Posted: 2002-12-22 12:02am
by Ted
Actually, the British Army has a Division stationed in Alberta almost contiuously, for training.

The place is so bare, that all tree's are marked, and if they destroy a tree, they gotta report it so that the maps get changed.

Posted: 2002-12-22 06:13am
by XPViking
Yup. Them pretty bare hills out near the Hat.

XPViking
8)

Posted: 2002-12-22 09:31pm
by BlkbrryTheGreat
HemlockGrey wrote:Canada needs to send in the troops and give the Albertians a royal asswhomping. We did that 140 years ago, not a threat of secesson since.
Oh thats just brillant, forced association against your own will.... Its like somone you hate pointing a gun at your head so you won't leave the room, while at the same time calling you friend and wanting to have a talk with you.