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PaintItBlack757: just a few more days until christmas, yay...
WeeMadAndo: yay... [/excitement][/sarcasm]
PaintItBlack757: you don't like christmas? how can you not like christmas? it's free stuff!
WeeMadAndo: I like christmas.
WeeMadAndo: I just don't like christmas.
PaintItBlack757: ok, then
PaintItBlack757: oi?
WeeMadAndo: Its commercialised travesty of a religious festival that has spread the world over thanks to goddamn western imperialism.
PaintItBlack757: hey, i like western imperialism
WeeMadAndo: Now its a celebration of capitalism that is used to boost sales of everything for a month...
PaintItBlack757: besides, what's wrong with a little decadence?
WeeMadAndo: And a way of making those who don't feel guilty for not being in the spirit of the season.
WeeMadAndo: People write letters at christmas...
WeeMadAndo: For fucks sake, why don't they write any other time?
WeeMadAndo: Is it something fucking special?
PaintItBlack757: erm...
WeeMadAndo: Sure it might have something to do with years end, but goddamn I don't hear from people all year then I get a fucking letter with two pages devoted to telling me about their new fucking puppy?
WeeMadAndo: And its been fucking photo-copied.
WeeMadAndo: There's nothing fucking personal about it.
PaintItBlack757: well, ah...
WeeMadAndo: Families gather and feel that they have to be nice to one another
PaintItBlack757: well, shouldn't they be...?
WeeMadAndo: even if they really despise each other, they decide that, just for a few days they'll put aside their differences.
PaintItBlack757: isn't that a good thing?
WeeMadAndo: Then someone gets a gift that they find offensive, or horror of horrors they don't like and before you know it the feuding is back on.
PaintItBlack757: well, even if it's just for a few days, it's something..
WeeMadAndo: If you're lucky the feuding mightn't come back until after dinner when everyones getting drunk,
WeeMadAndo: then some fuckign uncle will say something about "the other side of the family" and its back on.
PaintItBlack757: but it's not always like that...
WeeMadAndo: Stores have their fuckign decorations up in september for fucks sake!
PaintItBlack757: over here, not until after thanksgiving
WeeMadAndo: I mean its atrocious... its an abomination.
PaintItBlack757: it's fun!
WeeMadAndo: I'm not Christian, but I still have to "celebrate" this fucking festival...
WeeMadAndo: Hell even in non-christian nations like Japan and other places its a fucking CAPITALIST celebration!
PaintItBlack757: even if you don't believe in it's religious connotations, it's can be a fun celebration of the year, giving, etc.
WeeMadAndo: They're stores are filled with the goddamn cliched celebrational stuff!
PaintItBlack757: but what's wrong with that?
WeeMadAndo: I wouldn't mind it so much if it was more like the traditional festival...
WeeMadAndo: But then...
WeeMadAndo: But this is the fuckign clincher!
WeeMadAndo: The FUCKING TV!
PaintItBlack757: Just turn it off, then.
PaintItBlack757: not all christmas specials are bad
WeeMadAndo: All it fucking is . . . CHRISTMAS MOVIES!
PaintItBlack757: what do you expect? not all of them are ba
PaintItBlack757: *d
WeeMadAndo: Its not like I watch these fucking Christmas movies, but when I'm trying watch my lovely Stargate or Dark Angel (the only fucking non B&B sci-fi on TV down here) all I get are fucking adds for fucking photo's with Santa...
PaintItBlack757: people have to sell things. it's the capitalist way. incidentally, enjoy Dark Angel. it was cancelled here a year ago
WeeMadAndo: Or the latest fucking specials at some shitty store, that is still more expensive than usual due to the mid november price hike that then drops back to normal at the post christmas sales...
PaintItBlack757: then go shop somewhere else. vote with your money
WeeMadAndo: [I know about dark angel, why the hell do you think I relish it so]
PaintItBlack757: [ah, ok. save firefly]
WeeMadAndo: Then, two days after Christmas everyone is back to normal and its like it never fucking happened, except, suddenly, on Jan 1st you start getting fucking EASTER EGGS in the supermarket...
WeeMadAndo: And thats a whole other rant.
WeeMadAndo: [Right, I think I'm done]
PaintItBlack757: [Alrighty, then. I'll mail you a psychiatrist for Christmas. Would you like him in orange or red?]



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That felt GOOD.

PaintItBlack757 is me, incidentally.

HemlockGrey wrote:PaintItBlack757 is me, incidentally.

You didn't get much in, did ya Cyril?

I did what I could.

How you feel about the "Quick! Commercialism is telling us to buy lots of presents to show people we love them! Better shop at all those one-day sales!" part of Christmas is exactly how I feel about Valentine's Day. Gah!! Same thing with the Christmas letters. If you love someone, don't be afraid to tell them, no matter what time of the year it is. I try to tell my friends that as often as I can.

I think it's the people more than the holiday that have that issue, though. You go ahead and hate Christmas; I'll go ahead and hate people.

EDIT: Spelling, erg.

Its a lot like "Mick's Serve" from "The Late Show", Mick is ranting away, Tom tries to say something only to cop a "shut the hell up!" or similar.

tom lehrer -

Christmas time is here, by golly,
Disapproval would be folly.
Deck the halls with hunks of holly,
Fill the cup and don't say when.

Kill the turkeys, ducks and chickens,
Mix the punch, drag out the Dickens.
Even though the prospect sickens,
Brother, here we go again.

On Christmas Day you can't get sore,
Your fellow man you must adore.
There's time to rob him all the more
The other three hundred and sixty-four.

Relations, sparing no expense, 'll
Send some useless old utensil,
Or a matching pen and pencil.
("Just the thing I need, how nice!")

It doesn't matter how sincere it is,
Nor how heart felt the spirit,
Sentiment will not endear it,
What's important is the price.

Hark, the Herald Tribune sings,
Advertising wondrous things.
God rest ye merry merchants,
May ye make the Yuletide pay.
Angels we have heard on high,
Tell us to go out and buy!

So let the raucous sleighbells jingle,
Hail our dear old friend Kriss Kringle,
Driving his reindeer across the sky.
Don't stand underneath when they fly by.

"Dreidel, dreidel, dreidel..."

Hey, ditch it and join the tribe! I mean... Hannukkah Chocolate? Or Fruitcake? You decide. And it is much easier to clean nine candles than a dead pine tree in the front room.

Coyote wrote:"Dreidel, dreidel, dreidel..."

Hey, ditch it and join the tribe! I mean... Hannukkah Chocolate? Or Fruitcake? You decide. And it is much easier to clean nine candles than a dead pine tree in the front room.

I learned on South Park that if you're Jewish, you get presents for eight days. I want to be Jewish. Though the whole not eating ham or pork kinda sucks.

neoolong wrote:

Coyote wrote:"Dreidel, dreidel, dreidel..."

Hey, ditch it and join the tribe! I mean... Hannukkah Chocolate? Or Fruitcake? You decide. And it is much easier to clean nine candles than a dead pine tree in the front room.

I learned on South Park that if you're Jewish, you get presents for eight days. I want to be Jewish. Though the whole not eating ham or pork kinda sucks.

Weren't those gifts your cousins' foreskins or something?

[Hannukkah Harry]"Socks and Underwear for all!"[/Hannukkah Harry]

Eight days of presents! With an emphasis on chocolate!

Plus I'll try to post a pic of me & my gf in Israel and you'll see one of the reasons why I like it over there so much...

You need an excuse for chocolate? <sigh>

Christmas is only damaging for those bloody cynics who insist on resisting it. Just eat your advent (or new year's countdown, depending on how greedy you are) calender, buy presents for your family and let your mum fatten you up for another year. It's easy, see?

@weemadando
You know what really sucks? They are showing repeats of Stargate in Western Australia. Also I agree with you that the original perpose of Christmas has long since been lost, probable around the time the Christians assimilated it with the time honoured tradition of Embrace & Expand. (I know Christmas was originally some pagan festival, like most Christian festivals)

However the Christian meaning of Christmas was subverted this century(1930's). The most clear indicator is that the Coca-Cola Company has the name Santa Claus & the now clasical Santa Claus figure as a trademark(people get around this by using variation on the exact Santa Claus figure,as for the name I'm sure they dont actually inforce it,
A Google search as proof)

I don't even think weemadando responded to anything HemlockGrey said after he asked about Christmas...