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Happy Birthday to the Emperor of Japan!
Posted: 2002-12-23 11:05pm
by HemlockGrey
I believe it's his birthday today. He was looking rather healthy when I met him(well...he was waving to a crowd, and I was in the crowd...) so I'm sure the age isn't weighing on him at all.
Re: Happy Birthday to the Emperor of Japan!
Posted: 2002-12-23 11:14pm
by Ted
His father should have been executed at the end of the second war.
Japan should pay reparations to all those families of those who were in Jap PoW camps, those jap buggers have managed to squirm their way out of paying that, and they eliminate all the torture and barbarity that they did from their textbooks.
Those fuckers should've been nuked more that twice.
Posted: 2002-12-23 11:19pm
by Sea Skimmer
Look, a Monarchy in 2003! That's real great! Wait no its fucking stupid!
I agree with Ted's feelings, somthing I never expected to say.
Posted: 2002-12-23 11:22pm
by Pu-239
The jap monarchy is and was only a figurehead, nothing more except for brief lapses in history. Tojo got what he deserved. Of course I'm usually full of bullshit.
Posted: 2002-12-23 11:23pm
by Sea Skimmer
Pu-239 wrote:The jap monarchy is and was only a figurehead, nothing more except for brief lapses in history. Tojo got what he deserved. Of course I'm usually full of bullshit.
In this case yes you are. The monarch of Japan in fact had supream power during WW2.
Posted: 2002-12-23 11:24pm
by Raptor 597
Hmm, yes I agree Ted except more than two nukes is wasting my uranium and plutonium. But we needed Hirhito as MacArthur's puppet; made things go more smoothly.
Posted: 2002-12-23 11:28pm
by Sea Skimmer
Captain Lennox wrote:Hmm, yes I agree Ted except more than two nukes is wasting my uranium and plutonium. But we needed Hirhito as MacArthur's puppet; made things go more smoothly.
I'm not a fan of letting people go for connivance and we would have done just fine without him. Totally removing all traces of the old ways of Japan may very well have resulted in a nation that could and would accept it's past in the future like Germany did.
Posted: 2002-12-23 11:35pm
by Ted
I was expecting mass flamage there. I've been brain washed by my grandma a bit into thinking the japs are buggers. My grand father was in a jap PoW for 3.5 years, yet got squat from the jp gov, but got 10,000pounds sterling from the British government. He was in the Mercantile Marine.
Posted: 2002-12-23 11:39pm
by Andrew J.
Sea Skimmer wrote:Pu-239 wrote:The jap monarchy is and was only a figurehead, nothing more except for brief lapses in history. Tojo got what he deserved. Of course I'm usually full of bullshit.
In this case yes you are. The monarch of Japan in fact had supream power during WW2.
That's the funniest thing I've heard all day. The truth is that the emperor of Japan has held practically zero power since shortly after the Meiji restoration was finished in the early 1900s.
Posted: 2002-12-23 11:42pm
by Ted
Andrew J. wrote:Sea Skimmer wrote:Pu-239 wrote:The jap monarchy is and was only a figurehead, nothing more except for brief lapses in history. Tojo got what he deserved. Of course I'm usually full of bullshit.
In this case yes you are. The monarch of Japan in fact had supream power during WW2.
That's the funniest thing I've heard all day. The truth is that the emperor of Japan has held practically zero power since shortly after the Meiji restoration was finished in the early 1900s.
Well, theoretically, the Emperor had supreme power, but as he supported his PM during the war, he shoulda been executed.
Posted: 2002-12-23 11:46pm
by Raptor 597
Sea Skimmer wrote:Captain Lennox wrote:Hmm, yes I agree Ted except more than two nukes is wasting my uranium and plutonium. But we needed Hirhito as MacArthur's puppet; made things go more smoothly.
I'm not a fan of letting people go for connivance and we would have done just fine without him. Totally removing all traces of the old ways of Japan may very well have resulted in a nation that could and would accept it's past in the future like Germany did.
Ah, yes well the fear was we'd have nother facist state on our hands right at the end of World War II. So we used Hirohito too spread American Smitism.
Posted: 2002-12-23 11:55pm
by Andrew J.
Ted wrote:Andrew J. wrote:Sea Skimmer wrote:
In this case yes you are. The monarch of Japan in fact had supream power during WW2.
That's the funniest thing I've heard all day. The truth is that the emperor of Japan has held practically zero power since shortly after the Meiji restoration was finished in the early 1900s.
Well, theoretically, the Emperor had supreme power, but as he supported his PM during the war, he shoulda been executed.
You just left yourself wiiiide open for the old "Communism works,
in theory" Homer Simpson quote, you know.
Posted: 2002-12-24 12:16am
by HemlockGrey
Well, theoretically, the Emperor had supreme power, but as he supported his PM during the war, he shoulda been executed.
And his opposing the PM would have done what, exactly?
The Japanese are fine people. Whilst living in Japan I have observed only the heights standards of politeness, generosity, and kindness. Yes, their culture has some rough edges. Yes, they need to accept what has happened in the past. But we need to accept that it is the past.
I bet that if I posted something like 'Happy Birthday to Queen Elizabeth' I would have gotten something far differant in response.
Posted: 2002-12-24 01:28am
by Sea Skimmer
HemlockGrey wrote:Well, theoretically, the Emperor had supreme power, but as he supported his PM during the war, he shoulda been executed.
And his opposing the PM would have done what, exactly?
The Japanese are fine people. Whilst living in Japan I have observed only the heights standards of politeness, generosity, and kindness. Yes, their culture has some rough edges. Yes, they need to accept what has happened in the past. But we need to accept that it is the past.
I bet that if I posted something like 'Happy Birthday to Queen Elizabeth' I would have gotten something far differant in response.
I might accept that if they weren't actively attempting to conceal they're past from there youth and weren't lying about their navy again.
Posted: 2002-12-24 10:25am
by Ted
HemlockGrey wrote:I bet that if I posted something like 'Happy Birthday to Queen Elizabeth' I would have gotten something far differant in response.
QE's father wasn't a war criminal, and QE has done nothing criminal at all. The British Royal Family is one of the oldest in the world, and has been powerless sinve the late-18th-early-19th centuries.
Posted: 2002-12-24 10:26am
by Ted
Sea Skimmer wrote:I might accept that if they weren't actively attempting to conceal they're past from there youth and weren't lying about their navy again.
As well, it's unconstitutional for Japan to have a military, yet they have one
Posted: 2002-12-24 10:35am
by Andrew J.
Ted wrote:HemlockGrey wrote:I bet that if I posted something like 'Happy Birthday to Queen Elizabeth' I would have gotten something far differant in response.
QE's father wasn't a war criminal, and QE has done nothing criminal at all. The British Royal Family is one of the oldest in the world, and has been powerless sinve the late-18th-early-19th centuries.
The Japanese Royal Family is older and it's been powerless for the vast majority of its existence.
As for the current emperor's father being a war criminal; even if it's true, don't you believe the whole "sins of the father should not be suffered for by the son" deal?[/i]
Posted: 2002-12-24 10:41am
by HemlockGrey
QE's father wasn't a war criminal, and QE has done nothing criminal at all. The British Royal Family is one of the oldest in the world, and has been powerless sinve the late-18th-early-19th centuries.
The Japanese imperial family has been powerless for...god, ages, and it's also one of the oldest in the world.
Akihito isn't a war criminial either and has done nothing criminial, so get off his back.