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Info about the Draft if anybody is interested

Posted: 2003-01-01 09:54pm
by Wicked Pilot
This is part of a three page article written by former Air Force First Sergeant Rod Powers over on the U.S. Military page of About.com.

Are You Going to be Drafted?
Ever since the day of the devastating attacks in New York City and on the Pentagon, I have been inundated with requests about my views concerning the possibility that the United States will re-institute a draft for our military services. These questions continue in light of the 'War on Terrorism," and the very real possibility of armed conflict with Iraq, as well as the current situation with North Korea.

Is a draft likely? What exactly is "the draft?" Who is likely to be drafted? What happens during a draft?

Will a draft happen?

Probably not, unless the United States gets involved in a major, major conflict (on the scale of World War II). Probably not even then, for several reasons.

For more than a quarter of a century, the United States Military has been an "all volunteer" service. During that time, the military has dramatically changed the way it trains and the way it fights. In order to implement a draft, we would have to change the entire way the military trains and operates today.

A draft is a good way to fight wars of 50 years ago. It is a lousy way to fight wars today. Today's military members are highly trained professionals. The days of giving a couple month's of training on firing a rifle and tossing a grenade, then sending men off to combat are long gone. In today's military, even the basic infantry is "high tech." You don't train someone to operate and maintain highly sophisticated military equipment overnight. It takes a minimum of 18 months to 2 years to turn out a trained Soldier, Airman, Sailor, or Marine. It takes even longer than that for many military specialties.

In short, if we instituted a draft today, inductees would not be effective until about two years from now (at which time, their two year service commitment would be over).

Each of the military services are well ahead of their recruiting goals for this fiscal year (FY 2003). Even if we dramatically increase our force levels (unnecessary for most conflicts), the military services will have little trouble obtaining enough qualified recruits. Since the 9/11, recruiting offices all over the country have been inundated with individuals who wish to serve (many of them are disappointed to learn they can't simply rush off to boot camp, and then go kill the enemy). Recruiters are turning away more applicants than are being accepted (for a variety of reasons). The same was true during the Gulf War.

A significant problem with a draft is that Congress would have to repeal the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" legislation which allows homosexuals to serve in the armed forces, as long as they keep their sexual preferences secret. Under current rules, "open" homosexuals are not allowed to serve. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that anyone (especially today's "youth") who do not wish to serve would have no problems with claiming homosexuality in order to escape military service. (Note: Many people feel that "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" should be repealed anyway, but that's another topic).

For more than 20 years, each of the military services have come to rely upon the Armed Forces Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB) testing program to determine whether or not one has the aptitude to learn military jobs. If a draft were re-instituted, it would be far too easy for individuals who did not wish to serve to intentionally score low on this exam. The military would have no way of knowing which skills these individuals would be capable of learning. As I said, even today's infantry is "high tech," and we have to have the ability to determine whether or not one even has the mental capability of succeeding before we waste thousands of taxpayers dollars to pay for the training.

I often hear individuals state that everyone should serve a term in the U.S. Military. While I personally think that a term of military service would benefit most of our youths, the idea is simply not workable. At any given time, there is approximately 70 million people in the United States who are eligible for military service. We can barely afford our current force-levels of about 1.5 million members on active duty. If we instituted a draft, we could afford to induct a very small percentage of those 70 million eligible.

Most military personnel I know would rather serve alongside someone who has volunteered to be there, not some small percentage of the population dragged there by threat of prison.

Our country does not need a draft. We have a million and a half highly trained, professional Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines currently on active duty. Additionally, we have 1.3 million in the Guard and Reserves. Together, these 2.8 million "all volunteer" professionals can handle any foreseeable military conflict. Also, let's not forget the millions in the inactive reserves, or the millions of military retirees who, by law, can be recalled to active duty at any time. Thousands of military veterans have already phoned in or otherwise contacted the various Military Reserve Centers, volunteering for re-instatement.

The Selective Service has issued the following official statement concerning the likelihood of a draft:

The Selective Service System remains in a standby, caretaker status. On Wednesday, September 18, 2002, in response to a question about the draft, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld indicated that there was "not a chance" of reinstituting the draft. According to Rumsfeld, the military is successful in attracting and retaining talented people in sufficient numbers.

It would take legislative action by the Congress and implementation by the President to reinstate a draft in an emergency.

The Selective Service System, like all Federal agencies, is ready to accomplish its missions. While no heightened measures have been undertaken to bring the Nation closer to reestablishing conscription, young men are reminded that they are still required by existing Federal law to register with Selective Service within 30 days of their 18th birthday. Late registrations are accepted, but not if a man is 26 years old or older.


All of the military services are far ahead of their recruiting goals. In fact, for the Air Force, on the very first day of the Fiscal Year (which began on October 1), the service had already signed up more than 50 percent of all their quotas for the entire remainder of the fiscal year. The other services are reporting similar recruiting and retention successes. Whether this is because of a worsening civilian job market, or increased patriotism due to the "war on terrorism," or a combination of both, is unclear.

No, don't expect the initiation of a draft, anytime soon. It ain 't gonna happen.

Posted: 2003-01-01 11:21pm
by Darth Yoshi
That's good to know. But what's this I hear about having to register with the military when you turn 18?

Posted: 2003-01-01 11:45pm
by Alex Moon
Darth Yoshi wrote:That's good to know. But what's this I hear about having to register with the military when you turn 18?
By 30 days after their 18th birthday, all men in the United States have to register with selective service (the people who would oversee a draft). This is a holdover from the draft, but really doesn't mean much. Usually it's just filling out a small form and mailing it in, or sending it online.

Posted: 2003-01-02 12:17am
by Howedar
I'm not at all surprised, but as a soon-to-be 18 year old American, I am somewhat relieved all the same.

Posted: 2003-01-02 12:38am
by Invader ZIm
Howedar wrote:I'm not at all surprised, but as a soon-to-be 18 year old American, I am somewhat relieved all the same.
Would you mind if I posed a question to you?

Can you "quantify" why you are apprehensive about the possiblity of military service?

I'm curious why most young people I run across these days have this strange duality of views about the military. They react positively to images of Americans in uniform, be that in WWII, or more contemporary examples, but they also have this distinct view that they proably wouldnt fit into the service for personal reasons.

While watching "Band of Brothers" with a much younger friend, he remarked that he couldnt belive that people could do the things that are depicted (esp. during the episodes in Bastogne). And after discussing if "poetic license" was being used, I got the distinct impression that what he ment to say was " I cant belive people could do those things, because I dont think I could".

Posted: 2003-01-02 12:42am
by Howedar
Because I don't want to get my education interrupted with a few years of military service.

Posted: 2003-01-02 12:44am
by Invader ZIm
Howedar wrote:Because I don't want to get my education interrupted with a few years of military service.
Straight forward answer - thank you

Posted: 2003-01-02 01:17am
by Drewcifer
Thanks for posting that, WP, very interesting article.

Can anyone refresh my sleepy head with who it is that is currently suggesting reinstatment of the draft for some anti-war reasons?

I saw a short clip on the news last night as I was falling asleep, can't remember who it was. I wanted to read up on what their reasons were, it sounded kind of asinine in soundbite form.

Posted: 2003-01-02 01:20am
by jegs2
Drewcifer wrote:Thanks for posting that, WP, very interesting article.

Can anyone refresh my sleepy head with who it is that is currently suggesting reinstatment of the draft for some anti-war reasons?

I saw a short clip on the news last night as I was falling asleep, can't remember who it was. I wanted to read up on what their reasons were, it sounded kind of asinine in soundbite form.
I believe it's a Democrat who is suggesting it, ironically.

Posted: 2003-01-02 01:32am
by TrailerParkJawa
Thanks WP. Thats a good essay. I think most people today miss understand that one of the reasons we did so well in Gulf War was a lot of training. High tech was important but without the training its not going to guarentee anything.

Posted: 2003-01-02 02:53am
by Durandal
Invader ZIm wrote:
Howedar wrote:I'm not at all surprised, but as a soon-to-be 18 year old American, I am somewhat relieved all the same.
Would you mind if I posed a question to you?

Can you "quantify" why you are apprehensive about the possiblity of military service?
Simple, I'm not very physical. Sure, I eat healthily and am not overweight, but basic training scares the shit out of me. I wouldn't be able to do it. I'm an asthmatic and am horrible at running long distances. I'd spend more time being punished for not doing things correctly or holding up the rest of the platoon than actually learning anything. Not to mention that my eyesight sucks, and you can't have me crawling around looking for my contact lense in the middle of a training simulation or something like that.

Posted: 2003-01-02 02:58am
by Darth Wong
The reason I wouldn't want to be drafted? Scared of bullets.

Call it an irrational phobia, but I've always had quite the fear of metallic objects flying around at supersonic speeds, especially if someone were to be aiming them at me.

Shrapnel too; I have a nagging fear of sharp jagged pieces of metal flying in all directions.

Oh, and napalm. Call me a phobic fool if you like, but there's just something about hot flaming materials that gives me the willies.

Posted: 2003-01-02 03:23am
by TrailerParkJawa
Darth Wong wrote:The reason I wouldn't want to be drafted? Scared of bullets.

Call it an irrational phobia, but I've always had quite the fear of metallic objects flying around at supersonic speeds, especially if someone were to be aiming them at me.

Shrapnel too; I have a nagging fear of sharp jagged pieces of metal flying in all directions.

Oh, and napalm. Call me a phobic fool if you like, but there's just something about hot flaming materials that gives me the willies.
For me, I think being a POW and being tortured is the most terrifying thing of all.

Posted: 2003-01-02 05:01am
by Tsyroc
I was in the Navy for a year before I was finally sent to a ship. That first year was taken up with bootcamp, school, more school and some leave.

If you ever get drafted but are really good with math volunteer for the nuclear power program. Even if you fly straight through it they expect the school to take 2 years. I only made it through part of it before getting canned but they thought enough of me to send me to another technical school.

Of course, because all of my schools were so long my enlistment was for 6 years instead of the usual 4 but I also got an instant promotion to E-4 upon completion of my A (fundamentals in a specific field) school.

Posted: 2003-01-02 05:13am
by Tsyroc
By the way, the standard enlistment period in the US military is based on 8 years. Most of the time it is broken down as 4 active and 4 as inactive reserve (the government just needs to know where you are in case of an emgergency. No pay though). In my case I did 6 active and 2 inactive reserve. One of the guys I knew had signed up to do 3 active and 5 active reserve (one weekend a month yadda yadda and getting reservist pay). Every now and then the Navy brings back it's 2 year enlistment with some funky combination of active and inactive reserve time that still adds up to 8 years.

I don't know how this would work if they were drafting people. Personally I don't see why they would bother to draft people. The cost just isn't worth it anymore.

Posted: 2003-01-02 05:38am
by The Duchess of Zeon
Darth Wong wrote:The reason I wouldn't want to be drafted? Scared of bullets.

Call it an irrational phobia, but I've always had quite the fear of metallic objects flying around at supersonic speeds, especially if someone were to be aiming them at me.

Shrapnel too; I have a nagging fear of sharp jagged pieces of metal flying in all directions.

Oh, and napalm. Call me a phobic fool if you like, but there's just something about hot flaming materials that gives me the willies.
Well, Mike, based on the British-style system of draft, as I understand it, with your college education in engineering, you would probably be entered into the Canadian equivlant of an Officer's Candidate School for the Canadian equivlant of the Royal Engineers (Assuming that Canada uses basically the same system as the UK, were it to ever have a draft).

Of course, that could just lead to you overseeing the construction of a bridge while the above flies around and explodes about around you, but 'tis no doubt an improvement.

Posted: 2003-01-02 10:21am
by Invader ZIm
Durandal wrote:
Invader ZIm wrote:
Howedar wrote:I'm not at all surprised, but as a soon-to-be 18 year old American, I am somewhat relieved all the same.
Would you mind if I posed a question to you?

Can you "quantify" why you are apprehensive about the possiblity of military service?
Simple, I'm not very physical. Sure, I eat healthily and am not overweight, but basic training scares the shit out of me. I wouldn't be able to do it. I'm an asthmatic and am horrible at running long distances. I'd spend more time being punished for not doing things correctly or holding up the rest of the platoon than actually learning anything. Not to mention that my eyesight sucks, and you can't have me crawling around looking for my contact lense in the middle of a training simulation or something like that.
Basic scares everyone, until they have been there for a day or two. You figure out pretty quickly that the Drills are there to help you not just yell. Most of the ones I have met in basic and then at the Drill Sgts school are really concerned with beeing able to teach people to do things right.

Posted: 2003-01-02 10:38am
by CmdrSweevo
Invader ZIm wrote:
Howedar wrote:I'm not at all surprised, but as a soon-to-be 18 year old American, I am somewhat relieved all the same.
Would you mind if I posed a question to you?

Can you "quantify" why you are apprehensive about the possiblity of military service?
I'd be useless in miltary service cos I'd be incapable of hurting someone.

I know that sounds like a cop out, but it really isn't - you just have to see me doing Ju-Jitsu training to know it's true. It takes a real effort for me to throw punch at someone's face, even knowing that my training partner can (and will) get out of the way and do horrible things to me. I'm a useless uke.

The only way I'd attack someone is I'd snapped - but when that happens I'm beyond all reason or thought. I'd never even think of a gun, just go in with flailing fists.

Posted: 2003-01-02 11:12am
by Knife
CmdrSweevo wrote:
Invader ZIm wrote:
Howedar wrote:I'm not at all surprised, but as a soon-to-be 18 year old American, I am somewhat relieved all the same.
Would you mind if I posed a question to you?

Can you "quantify" why you are apprehensive about the possiblity of military service?
I'd be useless in miltary service cos I'd be incapable of hurting someone.

I know that sounds like a cop out, but it really isn't - you just have to see me doing Ju-Jitsu training to know it's true. It takes a real effort for me to throw punch at someone's face, even knowing that my training partner can (and will) get out of the way and do horrible things to me. I'm a useless uke.

The only way I'd attack someone is I'd snapped - but when that happens I'm beyond all reason or thought. I'd never even think of a gun, just go in with flailing fists.
You would be amazed at how motivating it is to have someone trying to kill you. And when in combat, you follow your training. Thats why you train, train, train, so when you are in combat you just do what you are trained to do without thinking about it.

Posted: 2003-01-02 11:46am
by Darth Servo
This is one of the few things that diabetes is good for: I'm immune from the draft.