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Why the Hell is IE so fucking fast?!
Posted: 2003-01-06 01:09am
by Durandal
Slashdot has an interesting article on the subject ...
http://grotto11.com/blog/slash.html?+1039831658
Microsoft breaking standard protocols to further their own agenda?
Naaaaaaah.
Posted: 2003-01-06 01:11am
by Shinova
I've noticed that IE is faster than my Opera. Strange as well.
Posted: 2003-01-06 01:15am
by Shinova
*After actually READING the article*
GAH!! Microsoft can burn with its own feces for its take-over-the-world mentality!!
Posted: 2003-01-06 01:20am
by Darth Wong
Bill Gates is the bringer of evil and chaos. The use of a modified TCP protocol that fucks up cross-platform communications reliability is exactly the sort of thing we've come to expect from these assholes, and your president just gave them a blank cheque to do whatever they want, in the glorious cause of Corporate Profit.
Posted: 2003-01-06 05:09am
by weemadando
Fuck Microsoft.
I ask again, how much would it set us back to "buy" a Russian bomber wing and level the afflicted areas...
Posted: 2003-01-06 05:40am
by Einhander Sn0m4n
TCP Protocol Translated into Real Life.
Me=Browser.
You=Server.
Rude Asswipe=Idiot Exploiter
How TCP is supposed to work:
Code: Select all
Making a Connection
Me: Hey(SYN)
You: Hey Wazzup?(SYN/ACK)
Me: Wazzup(ACK)
Me: Wanna go Bowling/Have Sex/Play Quake/Etc Etc Etc?(REQUEST)
Breaking Connection
You: Hey I gotta go.(FIN)
Me: Okay(ACK)
Me: Lata and Happy Fragging!(FIN)
You: Thanks. Bye!(ACK)
How IE does it (and sometimes gets punched in the nose)
Make Connection
Rude Asswipe: Gimme a Dollar!(REQUEST)
You: (can ignore it or refuse. let's say refuse this time) Fuck Off!(RST)
Rude Asswipe: Oh, you're a [b]Nice Guy.[/b] Okay, Hi.(SYN)
You: That's Better. Hi.(SYN/ACK)
Rude Asswipe: Wazzup?(ACK)
Rude Asswipe: Can I borrow a dollar?(REQUEST)
Break Connection
You: Okay, you can go byebye now. Please leave.(FIN)
Rude Asswipe: (doesn't leave) Whatever.(ACK)
And there you have it.
Posted: 2003-01-06 06:10am
by Crazy_Vasey
It;s funny cos Mozilla still fetches pages quicker on my PC...
Posted: 2003-01-06 06:35am
by Vympel
weemadando wrote:
I ask again, how much would it set us back to "buy" a Russian bomber wing and level the afflicted areas...
$8.3 million will buy you an Su-25 Close Air Support craft, fly-away.
This will give you ample firepower to destroy Microsoft HQ- it's standard warload is more than enough.
Posted: 2003-01-06 11:59am
by MKSheppard
Darth Wong wrote:Bill Gates is the bringer of evil and chaos. The use of a modified TCP protocol that fucks up cross-platform communications reliability is exactly the sort of thing we've come to expect from these assholes, and your president just gave them a blank cheque to do whatever they want, in the glorious cause of Corporate Profit.
WTF? Blank check?
Posted: 2003-01-06 01:04pm
by His Divine Shadow
Slashdot... eh...
I'll wait until it's brought up on arstechnica's forums where the people with the apparent "know-how" debates over things like these for pages on end before I form any opinion.
Posted: 2003-01-06 01:44pm
by Gil Hamilton
Can they freakin' do that? The TCP/IP system is a communications standard. All systems no matter what are supposed to use those protocols, so everyone plays by the same rules regardless of what they run. Having IE play by different rules is just stupid.
Posted: 2003-01-06 01:48pm
by His Divine Shadow
Gil Hamilton wrote:Can they freakin' do that? The TCP/IP system is a communications standard.
Thats what we're gonna try and find out, so I went here:
http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopi ... 1790988445
No offence to this board but we're sci-fi geeks, this is an issue for the computer geeks
Posted: 2003-01-06 02:24pm
by Durandal
Gil Hamilton wrote:Can they freakin' do that? The TCP/IP system is a communications standard. All systems no matter what are supposed to use those protocols, so everyone plays by the same rules regardless of what they run. Having IE play by different rules is just stupid.
It's also an
open standard, meaning that they can toy with it however they wish.
Posted: 2003-01-06 02:28pm
by Durandal
Hm ... I'd like to see what the original author of the article has to say about the failure of independent tests.
Posted: 2003-01-06 02:29pm
by His Divine Shadow
Well, from the Arstechnica discussion it seems that even readers of slashdot have done tcp dumps:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=498 ... id=5022561
edit:
I see I'm late
As soon as I get windump working I'll be trying it too.
I seem to have the wrong version of winpcap.
Posted: 2003-01-06 02:51pm
by Andrew J.
Times like this make me glad I don't understand computers.
Posted: 2003-01-06 03:04pm
by Rubberanvil
Darth Wong wrote: and your president just gave them a blank cheque to do whatever they want, in the glorious cause of Corporate Profit.
Oddly enough most US Government Departments and Branchs have moving away from Windows to Unix and/or Linux. Licensing fees, secruity(sp) issues, and general Windows f--kups are the primary reasons for the move.