Drakafic question

Junghalli · Post by **Junghalli** » 2005-05-16 01:53pm

When the Allies begin their liberation of the Dominate's Middle Eastern territories do they attack Persia and Afghanistan, or go for Arabia and try to cut them off from the rest of the Dominate?

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2005-05-16 02:15pm

Junghalli wrote:When the Allies begin their liberation of the Dominate's Middle Eastern territories do they attack Persia and Afghanistan, or go for Arabia and try to cut them off from the rest of the Dominate?

This is from a chat some time ago, this may have been changed or I may have misremembered, but here:
The advance comes on three main axes--Persia/Afganistan (British), Central Asia (Taiping Chinese), Caucasus (Soviet). There are also forces advancing east through Turkey. The British do effect landings on the Arabian peninsula, but these are aimed at local objectives, such as gaining control of the strait of Hormuz and the Bab al Mandeb--not a grand encirclement.

Considering the terrain and distances, such an encirclement would be pretty much impossible.

Post by **Steve** » 2005-05-16 02:39pm

IIRC, Marina undid Stirling's decision to have the Draka completely control the Arabian peninsula. The British still have Oman and Kuwait, and pretty much the entire Gulf Coast.

The British launch a multi-pronged surprise attack in 1942 a few weeks after the Taiping Chinese attack, bombing the Quattara heavy water facility (and creating an artificial salt-water lake in the process), attacking the Drakian Med fleet at Bizerte, and conducting a large-scale offensive out of India against Persia and the 'Stans.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2005-05-16 02:59pm

Steve wrote:IIRC, Marina undid Stirling's decision to have the Draka completely control the Arabian peninsula. The British still have Oman and Kuwait, and pretty much the entire Gulf Coast.

The British launch a multi-pronged surprise attack in 1942 a few weeks after the Taiping Chinese attack, bombing the Quattara heavy water facility (and creating an artificial salt-water lake in the process), attacking the Drakian Med fleet at Bizerte, and conducting a large-scale offensive out of India against Persia and the 'Stans.

Let's hear it for Operation: Noah's Hammer!

Murazor · Post by **Murazor** » 2005-05-17 06:37am

Isn't the involvement of "Taiping China" a bit of an stretch? I might be wrong, but if the Japanese occupation is similar to that during WWII, there should be no faction in China with any meaningful power projection... Unless the Soviets and Brits are supposed to do all the heavy fighting and the "Chinese offensive" is more of a bunch of guys with a couple of rifles with precious little artillery and next to no armour.

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2005-05-17 07:48am

I have a possibly stupid question: What order should the various Drakafic fics be read in? Is there a list in chronological order somewhere?

EDIT: Actually, it was a stupid question; the stories come up roughly in order when searched. (Though I guess the more popular ones will be closer to the top.)

Post by **Steve** » 2005-05-17 01:52pm

Murazor wrote:Isn't the involvement of "Taiping China" a bit of an stretch? I might be wrong, but if the Japanese occupation is similar to that during WWII, there should be no faction in China with any meaningful power projection... Unless the Soviets and Brits are supposed to do all the heavy fighting and the "Chinese offensive" is more of a bunch of guys with a couple of rifles with precious little artillery and next to no armour.

It's not.

"Across the Marco Polo Bridge" covers the early war between the Taiping and Japan.

The Taiping do much better against Japan than Chiang did.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2005-05-17 04:07pm

Murazor wrote:Isn't the involvement of "Taiping China" a bit of an stretch? I might be wrong, but if the Japanese occupation is similar to that during WWII, there should be no faction in China with any meaningful power projection...

It isn't similar. Rather than a weak Republic of China and various warlord factions, China is under the rulership of a vital Taiping dynasty from about the mid 19th century. It is consequently rather stronger than it was historically.

Unless the Soviets and Brits are supposed to do all the heavy fighting and the "Chinese offensive" is more of a bunch of guys with a couple of rifles with precious little artillery and next to no armour.

This is in fact what the greater part of the Chinese army is composed of--as in Korea, the main advantages of the Chinese are their numbers, the qualities of their fighting men, and their skilled commanders. The relative weakness of the Draka (most armor and artillery is earmarked to oppose the Brits) in their theater also helps. There is a story (which has yet to be crossposted here) currently being written on the subject of the Central Asian offensive.

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2005-05-18 10:16pm

What I wonder is how long the Draka navy remains a viable arm in the war.

It'll probably get squashed once the USN really gets built up. If the Draka can hold their own against the British, it'll be the most they can do, and more then I expect of them.

Castle Tarleton will probably dedicate resources to the Army and Air Force, but might use the merchant fleet to help evacuate Europe once Italy gets liberated. Either way, I soubt the navy will really get much in the way of new units.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2005-05-20 01:02pm

Steve wrote:IIRC, Marina undid Stirling's decision to have the Draka completely control the Arabian peninsula. The British still have Oman and Kuwait, and pretty much the entire Gulf Coast.

Correct. The British control Kuwait, al-Hasa, Trucial Oman, Oman and Muscat, and al-Hadhramut. The Draka control Aden, North Yemen, Asir, and the Hejaz, along with a very nominal control over the Nejd.

There is simply no plausible way for the Draka to get those territories, since they were never colonies but were instead direct protectorates of the Crown with their own autonomous monarchies responsible for all internal decisions. Oman was in fact still a sovereign nation.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2005-05-21 04:43am

I wonder what the guy who wrote the original Draka stories would say if he saw all of this.

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2005-05-21 07:51am

Sheppard ought to set up a seperate website, just for the Drakafics.
And the fics, the notes, concept art, maps... this could be HUGE, if done properly.

And Stirling, seeing realism applied to the Draka? Seeing people fight back? Acting intelligently? He'd shit twice and die.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2005-05-21 11:22pm

We have a huge information database; I suppose one day one of us could set up a Wiki or something.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2005-05-22 12:53am

I'm tempted to edited the Draka article at Wikipedia and add info about the Drakafics. I mean, the size of this project deserves to be mentioned.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2005-05-22 01:29am

Aya wrote:I'm tempted to edited the Draka article at Wikipedia and add info about the Drakafics. I mean, the size of this project deserves to be mentioned.

Please don't. We don't want it attracting large-scale attention until we've fine-tuned the timeline.

Norseman · Post by **Norseman** » 2005-05-22 01:34am

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
Aya wrote:I'm tempted to edited the Draka article at Wikipedia and add info about the Drakafics. I mean, the size of this project deserves to be mentioned.
Please don't. We don't want it attracting large-scale attention until we've fine-tuned the timeline.

Quite so I will add my agreement to that, and we're the ones doing this.

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2005-05-22 01:41am

Rather. If they put forward a half-assed timeline that wasn't properly thought out, they'd be no better then Stirling.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2005-05-22 04:36am

There's a link in wikipedia to a pretty well-done critique of the Draka that goes to the end of WWII. It brings up things like how the Dominion received far better and different treatment than any other British colony.

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2005-05-23 10:30pm

I just don't want this line of fics to die out. Hence my desire for a degree of permanence outside the board.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2005-05-23 11:07pm

Setzer wrote:I just don't want this line of fics to die out. Hence my desire for a degree of permanence outside the board.

Go to http://www.divine-salamis.com/phpBB/index.php and you'll be able to petition entry into the "Drakafic roundtable' forum, which holds the entirety of our drakafic work.

Edit: Link now works.

montypython · Post by **montypython** » 2005-05-24 12:48am

CaptainChewbacca wrote: Go to www.divinesalamis.com and you'll be able to petition entry into the "Drakafic roundtable' forum, which holds the entirety of our drakafic work.

I tried the link, but it doesn't work.

Norseman · Post by **Norseman** » 2005-05-24 02:14am

montypython wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote: Go to www.divinesalamis.com and you'll be able to petition entry into the "Drakafic roundtable' forum, which holds the entirety of our drakafic work.
I tried the link, but it doesn't work.

Probably because it was the wrong link:

http://www.divine-salamis.com/phpBB/index.php

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