Armageddon???? - Part Eighty One Up

Darmalus · Post by **Darmalus** » 2008-08-20 01:55pm

Which chapter was it that got tweaked?

tim31 · Post by **tim31** » 2008-08-20 01:56pm

Agreed. And jesus on the mary jane? But of course.

Darth Ruinus · Post by **Darth Ruinus** » 2008-08-20 01:57pm

Darmalus wrote:Which chapter was it that got tweaked?

I think the most recent chapter is going to get tweaked a bit, because some people didn't like how Micheal was portrayed here, it seemed out of character.

But it was goddamn funny.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-08-20 02:01pm

Darth Ruinus wrote:
Darmalus wrote:Which chapter was it that got tweaked?
I think the most recent chapter is going to get tweaked a bit, because some people didn't like how Micheal was portrayed here, it seemed out of character.

But it was goddamn funny.

I loved the way Michael was portrayed in Ch 78. It's quite fitting, really: if you take the Bible seriously, you would have to conclude that Jesus was involved in a hippie liberal movement, and that movement would surely have other members.

As for the chapter that was tweaked, it was the earlier one. Link.

I've been thinking that maybe I should go through the Completed version and add "Chapter One", "Chapter Two", etc. headings to each post, because people can get lost. Right now, the only way to identify a chapter by number is to actually count them in your head as you scroll down the page, which is clumsy to say the least.

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2008-08-20 02:08pm

Hmm, I get the feeling Michael is planning a power play. Perhaps he will end up just like Abigor? The human choosen ruler of Heaven?

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2008-08-20 02:11pm

Agent Fisher wrote:Hmm, I get the feeling Michael is planning a power play. Perhaps he will end up just like Abigor? The human choosen ruler of Heaven?

I'd say its likely, given that in the chapter Mike linked, Michael-Ian is described by Memnon as the most powerful of all Angels, even greater than Uriel, and Uriel scares the shit out of EVERYONE.

Edit: And yes, I vote for adding chapters. I'd really appreciate it, though I know it would be a pain in the ass.

Shermpotter · Post by **Shermpotter** » 2008-08-20 02:14pm

Darth Wong:

By all means, I think putting chapter numbers up makes perfect sense!!!

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2008-08-20 02:19pm

Michael and Jesus high on marijuana and LSD? That aroused a good laugh.

By the way, what model of shotgun did the SAS use on the gorgon? The AA-12 automatic with a detachable magazine? Or an "old-fashioned" pump-action feeding from a (non-detachable) tubular magazine?

Peptuck · Post by **Peptuck** » 2008-08-20 02:30pm

Okay, I sincerely hope Michael-lan lives through this. He is way, way too awesome to die after that scene.

Eulogy · Post by **Eulogy** » 2008-08-20 03:18pm

Aww. The cute widdle Angel Of Death is going to Earth! Let's welcome him with a loving cruise missile.

By the way, when will we be seeing aliens?

Peptuck · Post by **Peptuck** » 2008-08-20 03:19pm

Eulogy wrote:

By the way, when will we be seeing aliens?

This story definitely needs more Cthulhu.

And Thor. Lots and lots of Thor.

tim31 · Post by **tim31** » 2008-08-20 03:50pm

Darth Wong wrote:I've been thinking that maybe I should go through the Completed version and add "Chapter One", "Chapter Two", etc. headings to each post, because people can get lost. Right now, the only way to identify a chapter by number is to actually count them in your head as you scroll down the page, which is clumsy to say the least.

All the people I've directed in there to read it would surely appreciate the effort.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2008-08-20 03:50pm

Eulogy wrote:Aww. The cute widdle Angel Of Death is going to Earth! Let's welcome him with a loving cruise missile.

I wouldn't be QUITE so cavalier. The hosts of hell SEVERELY outnumber heaven, and heaven still fought them to a standstill, which means an Angel is, one on one, going to be MUCH tougher than a demon. Plus, this is Uriel, THE angel of death. The destroyer of Hosts, the guardian of Eden who stands with a flaming sword. He is Lord of the South Wind, and the very face of Yaweh.

Basically, he's God's hatchet-man and enforcer, and carries with him the total authority of heaven wherever he goes. And he's not an angel of mercy.

Personally, I wouldn't mind earth LOSING to heaven for a while, before we figure out what's up and start fighting back effectively. There's no drama if its just curbstomp #2.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-08-20 03:54pm

Small numbers of very powerful beings would be much more dangerous than huge hosts of screaming warriors, by their very nature. They're much harder to locate and identify, because they can hide so easily, and deploy (or retreat) through tiny man-sized portals which could appear anywhere.

Peptuck · Post by **Peptuck** » 2008-08-20 04:08pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:
Eulogy wrote:Aww. The cute widdle Angel Of Death is going to Earth! Let's welcome him with a loving cruise missile.
I wouldn't be QUITE so cavalier. The hosts of hell SEVERELY outnumber heaven, and heaven still fought them to a standstill, which means an Angel is, one on one, going to be MUCH tougher than a demon.

IIRC, the angelic host outnumbers the legions of Hell two to one.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-08-20 04:10pm

Peptuck wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:
Eulogy wrote:Aww. The cute widdle Angel Of Death is going to Earth! Let's welcome him with a loving cruise missile.
I wouldn't be QUITE so cavalier. The hosts of hell SEVERELY outnumber heaven, and heaven still fought them to a standstill, which means an Angel is, one on one, going to be MUCH tougher than a demon.
IIRC, the angelic host outnumbers the legions of Hell two to one.

I'm pretty sure the angelic host is composed like a mythical Homeric army, with legions of nameless faceless crap peasants and a few "hero" figures which are immensely powerful compared to their footsoldiers. Sort of an exaggerated version of the way real-life medieval armies were, with small numbers of armoured nobles and hordes of near-worthless peasants.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2008-08-20 04:24pm

Peptuck wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:
Eulogy wrote:Aww. The cute widdle Angel Of Death is going to Earth! Let's welcome him with a loving cruise missile.
I wouldn't be QUITE so cavalier. The hosts of hell SEVERELY outnumber heaven, and heaven still fought them to a standstill, which means an Angel is, one on one, going to be MUCH tougher than a demon.
IIRC, the angelic host outnumbers the legions of Hell two to one.

Originally, yes. A third of the heavenly host fell with Lucifer. But, as we've seen, demons can reproduce. Angels can't. I think I had some numbers back in the first thread, but its fair to assume that Heaven has a smaller supernatural army than hell. Remember, the few times we've seen angels and demons interact, the demons were positively terrified of them.

Stuart · Post by **Stuart** » 2008-08-20 05:32pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:But, as we've seen, demons can reproduce. Angels can't.

That's what mythology states, but I think we can seriously question that, I suspect it comes from the image of angels et al being pristine and spotless being untouched by original sin. They don't do sex so they don't reproduce. However, we know that demons are basically "fallen angels" so the two are physiologically identical. Therefore angels must be able to reproduce if demons can.

So, the working hypothesis is that angels do reproduce.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2008-08-20 05:41pm

Stuart wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:But, as we've seen, demons can reproduce. Angels can't.
That's what mythology states, but I think we can seriously question that, I suspect it comes from the image of angels et al being pristine and spotless being untouched by original sin. They don't do sex so they don't reproduce. However, we know that demons are basically "fallen angels" so the two are physiologically identical. Therefore angels must be able to reproduce if demons can.

So, the working hypothesis is that angels do reproduce.

Fair enough. That works with what we know about nephelim. I just figured it would be a relatively useful measure on Yaweh's part to ensure his angels never grew powerful or numerous enough to rebel against him after the first time.

Darmalus · Post by **Darmalus** » 2008-08-20 05:55pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:
Stuart wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:But, as we've seen, demons can reproduce. Angels can't.
That's what mythology states, but I think we can seriously question that, I suspect it comes from the image of angels et al being pristine and spotless being untouched by original sin. They don't do sex so they don't reproduce. However, we know that demons are basically "fallen angels" so the two are physiologically identical. Therefore angels must be able to reproduce if demons can.

So, the working hypothesis is that angels do reproduce.
Fair enough. That works with what we know about nephelim. I just figured it would be a relatively useful measure on Yaweh's part to ensure his angels never grew powerful or numerous enough to rebel against him after the first time.

It seems that in this universe, the demons only rebelled because they had stumbled across a place (Hell) that they could use as a base of operations. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that all useful infrastructure and defensible locations within Heaven were totally controlled by angels who were loyal to Yaweh, making rebellion within heaven difficult, if not impossible.

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2008-08-20 05:57pm

The characterization of Michael in this chapter felt like the intellectual equivalent of running over a pothole. It's really an abrupt shift from how the angels were previously portrayed. I'd suggest toning it down a bit for the final draft, or giving it more of a lead in, so we already have a semi-decent idea of what the angels are like before this chapter.

Zor · Post by **Zor** » 2008-08-20 06:02pm

Question Does Yahweh have some sort of Weather Control? I read that he sent Hurricane Katrina towards New Orleans. Is that the case or is it just him claiming responcibility for a natural event to keep his troop in line and such?

Zor

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-08-20 06:07pm

I think the implication is that Yahweh has a weather dominator, yes.

fusion · Post by **fusion** » 2008-08-20 06:53pm

Zor wrote:Question Does Yahweh have some sort of Weather Control? I read that he sent Hurricane Katrina towards New Orleans. Is that the case or is it just him claiming responcibility for a natural event to keep his troop in line and such?

Zor

He has to be able to control weather to some degree as he caused the great flood of Noah's time...

Anyhoo very good and great chapter.

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2008-08-20 07:26pm

NecronLord wrote:I think the implication is that Yahweh has a weather dominator, yes.

That's probably one of the weapons that Heaven was described as possessing by (Abigor?).

One question - is Michael-lan unusual in his "conflicted" nature about Yahweh for the angelic leadership (I don't know whether they arrange themselves in a feudalistic structure like the armies of Hell or not), or is his type of thinking common?