Animatrix - Cain and Abel (Matrix crossover)

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-09-03 02:19am

*snif*

It could have been longer though.

*snif*

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-09-03 03:10am

Very good writing! I update this thread a few times a day to catch the next chapter, but whats with the upgraded agents getting their asses handed to them by a single T-X?

that is the only part of your story I don't understand

Shogoki · Post by **Shogoki** » 2003-09-03 04:14am

To pwn more ass and quit having T-800s being thrown around by puny mortal men doomed to die.... but some reprogramming could probably do just as much.

I have to agree with you, I have no idea why the humans are suppoused to be stronger or faster than a T-800, the bullet time, and all that fancy matrix stuff is nothing more than the foreign entithy not wanting to follow the Matrix's rules. It takes great effort for a human to ignore it's perceptions, and Neo managed to do that, but for a T-800 you only flip the physics engine off, let the faster than human cpu run at full speed, and boom, 10 times the abilities of Neo, that's why i never took the Terminator vs Matrix stuff seriously.

That aside, story is good so far.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2003-09-03 05:06am

Shogoki wrote:

To pwn more ass and quit having T-800s being thrown around by puny mortal men doomed to die.... but some reprogramming could probably do just as much.

I have to agree with you, I have no idea why the humans are suppoused to be stronger or faster than a T-800, the bullet time, and all that fancy matrix stuff is nothing more than the foreign entithy not wanting to follow the Matrix's rules. It takes great effort for a human to ignore it's perceptions, and Neo managed to do that, but for a T-800 you only flip the physics engine off, let the faster than human cpu run at full speed, and boom, 10 times the abilities of Neo, that's why i never took the Terminator vs Matrix stuff seriously.

That aside, story is good so far.

It isnt how fast the user can process stuff, its how fast the system lets the user process stuff.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2003-09-03 08:16am

Omega-13 wrote:Very good writing! I update this thread a few times a day to catch the next chapter, but whats with the upgraded agents getting their asses handed to them by a single T-X?

that is the only part of your story I don't understand

When was that? The first part? That was a T-1000. Plus what can an Agent do to a Terminator? An Agent can jump higher, run as fast and can body jump, but in h2h, they aren't better than Termies. Plus Termies have a better shot.

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Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-09-03 12:11pm

Shroom Man 777 wrote:
When was that? The first part? That was a T-1000. Plus what can an Agent do to a Terminator? An Agent can jump higher, run as fast and can body jump, but in h2h, they aren't better than Termies. Plus Termies have a better shot.

are we watching different movies here? Terminators are stupidly slow in H2H, in T3, ,arnold basically just walked up to the T-X and threw her through a wall, its all just grab and toss sort of work. They'd never even lay a finger on an Agent. Those T-800's would find themselves turned into scrap metal, johnson punched through a steel door that was 2 inches thick. The T-X kicked the T-800's head off in T3, a single punch could do that from an upgraded Agent,

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-09-03 12:14pm

Omega-13 wrote:
Shroom Man 777 wrote:
When was that? The first part? That was a T-1000. Plus what can an Agent do to a Terminator? An Agent can jump higher, run as fast and can body jump, but in h2h, they aren't better than Termies. Plus Termies have a better shot.

are we watching different movies here? Terminators are stupidly slow in H2H, in T3, ,arnold basically just walked up to the T-X and threw her through a wall, its all just grab and toss sort of work. They'd never even lay a finger on an Agent. Those T-800's would find themselves turned into scrap metal, johnson punched through a steel door that was 2 inches thick. The T-X kicked the T-800's head off in T3, a single punch could do that from an upgraded Agent,

Calm down Omega, there is a plot point yet to be revealed to the agent's inability to gain an upper hand on the Terminators. And to be fair, from watching the movies I think a 800 and an upgraded Agent would be pretty on par in terms of strength and durability. Its on agility that the agent's have the upper hand.

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-09-03 01:23pm

AH DAMN ! plot points of course of course,

LIke I said i'm not bashing your story i love it!

As for strength, remember the t-800 took 5 minutes to get through that quasi metal door in T1?

neway don't matter, only a fanfic

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2003-09-04 07:08am

Omega-13 wrote:AH DAMN ! plot points of course of course,

LIke I said i'm not bashing your story i love it!

As for strength, remember the t-800 took 5 minutes to get through that quasi metal door in T1?

Meh, that's because the T-800 didn't make the wall as weak as tissue paper.

Now about the h2h.

You see Morpheus's punches and kicks aren't THAT fast, but he still got the Agent. A Termie grabs people like how the T-800 lightning grabbed the shotgun from that fat bar tender in T2. Fast, fast enough to grab Johnson.

Plus an Agent cannot turn a Terminator into scrap metal because if they can't turn Zionists into corned beef, then what good can they do to to a Termie?

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-09-04 09:17am

Shroom Man 777 wrote:
Omega-13 wrote:AH DAMN ! plot points of course of course,

LIke I said i'm not bashing your story i love it!

As for strength, remember the t-800 took 5 minutes to get through that quasi metal door in T1?
Meh, that's because the T-800 didn't make the wall as weak as tissue paper.

Now about the h2h.

You see Morpheus's punches and kicks aren't THAT fast, but he still got the Agent. A Termie grabs people like how the T-800 lightning grabbed the shotgun from that fat bar tender in T2. Fast, fast enough to grab Johnson.

Plus an Agent cannot turn a Terminator into scrap metal because if they can't turn Zionists into corned beef, then what good can they do to to a Termie?

The turning a wall into the consistancy of tissue paper is just hyperboil started here on this msg board by the way.

The zionists don't get a hole in them because they know its not real, and i guess its harder for them to wrap their minds around a punch than a bullet, there are always limits.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2003-09-04 10:47am

Omega-13 wrote: The turning a wall into the consistancy of tissue paper is just hyperboil started here on this msg board by the way.

But there have been some instances wherein it suggests that there is material manipulation. Like one of them bald kids who can bend the spoons and shit.

The zionists don't get a hole in them because they know its not real, and i guess its harder for them to wrap their minds around a punch than a bullet, there are always limits.

A T-800 wouldn't give jack shit about bullets, hence he wouldn't also be affected by any believe-in-it-and-you-get-turned-to-corned-beef punches.

Plus in Stravo's fic, Termies can counter act time dilation and other such stuff.

Shogoki · Post by **Shogoki** » 2003-09-04 02:35pm

ggs wrote: It isnt how fast the user can process stuff, its how fast the system lets the user process stuff.

Yes, that's why the runner in Animatrix woke up and did all the matrix stuff, aquired super strength and speed, and the matrix wanted to stop him badly, yet failed, and had to be put back to sleep from the outside, and then they had to keep him under surveillance by agents.

It is clearly stated many times that the knowledge of freedom against their perceptions is what makes them do all those things. Also, why whould they limit their abilities on the construct program?

A machine would not need any of those things, would not have an inner conflict over whats real or not, it just needs to know it punched, and the punch is going to be concluded in the next cpu cycle, .5 nanoseconds later or whatever, the Terminator's fist is where the, now vaporized, Zionist head used to be. They are not controlled by the matrix. They are not even suppoused to have bodies in the real world, just a skull. The body is 100% digital, and as such, they would have no need to worry about physical limitations, except for the plot's sake, of course.

On a side not, this is also why i always belived a jedi would be neo level in the matrix, they are so good at not following their senses that they bend reality in the real world, the matix would be a pice of cake.

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-09-04 09:20pm

Shroom Man 777 wrote:
But there have been some instances wherein it suggests that there is material manipulation. Like one of them bald kids who can bend the spoons and shit.

that scene had NOTHING to do with material munipulation
he specifically stated it is you who has to bend, you have to believe you can bend it!
back to the
(if you don't believe its real bit)

The zionists don't get a hole in them because they know its not real, and i guess its harder for them to wrap their minds around a punch than a bullet, there are always limits.

A T-800 wouldn't give jack shit about bullets, hence he wouldn't also be affected by any believe-in-it-and-you-get-turned-to-corned-beef punches.

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how the hell do you figure this
bullets don't hurt a terminator because he's made out of hyperalloy,
agents punch through steel doors, which means they can punch hard, so its agents fist meets hyperalloy.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-09-04 09:27pm

I don't mind heated discussions about my stories, but please, and I'm not accusing anyone I'm just premepting here, no flaming or I will HOS the offending posts. Debate all you like it makes telling the story fun for me, but let's keep it civil. Thanks.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-09-04 10:00pm

*holds up picture of T-1000*

Omega, calm down and just unzip. You'll be fine, I promise.

Sorry Stravo, I just had to toss the grenade.

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-09-05 02:36am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:*holds up picture of T-1000*

Omega, calm down and just unzip. You'll be fine, I promise.

Sorry Stravo, I just had to toss the grenade.

very funny

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2003-09-05 10:02am

@ Stravo: This is civil, just a debate... meh, this stuff should be in Other Sci-Fi.

Omega-13 wrote: that scene had NOTHING to do with material munipulation
he specifically stated it is you who has to bend, you have to believe you can bend it!
back to the
(if you don't believe its real bit)

It implies that you can bend it if you believe in it's bending, doesn't that mean that if you believe it to be, a metal rod can be bent like some plastic spoon?

how the hell do you figure this
bullets don't hurt a terminator because he's made out of hyperalloy,
agents punch through steel doors, which means they can punch hard, so its agents fist meets hyperalloy.

It's still a punch, if Smith's rock crushimg punches does shit to Neo, then what more a Terminator? A Termie sees it as a punch, nothing more. Maybe it even could analyze what gobledygook the Agent is doing, like matter manipulation or time dilation or whatnot, the Termie could tweak it as well.

Oh, and if the Agent can't make Morpheus's head blow up, why should a Terminator fare less? It knows that shit isn't real and won't have conflicts with what is real or whatnot.

Plus the Agent just made the steel door bend, and caused it to fly off its hinges, not punch through it, unlike what the Terminator in T1 did.

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-09-05 11:06am

Shroom Man 777 wrote: It implies that you can bend it if you believe in it's bending, doesn't that mean that if you believe it to be, a metal rod can be bent like some plastic spoon?

yes it bent like a plastic spoon, whats the point it was still made out of metal.

It's still a punch, if Smith's rock crushimg punches does shit to Neo, then what more a Terminator? A Termie sees it as a punch, nothing more. Maybe it even could analyze what gobledygook the Agent is doing, like matter manipulation or time dilation or whatnot, the Termie could tweak it as well.

I watched all the animatrix, and both movies, and I've never seen anything about this time dilation crap, the 'slow downs' are just slow motion ! for us to see the fights, just like in every other movie, unless you think there is time dilation in all movies. The agents punch is incredibly strong, the reason it doesn't hurt neo, but hurts say MOrph is because they are on different levels of 'belief' Isn't this extremely obvious?

Oh, and if the Agent can't make Morpheus's head blow up, why should a Terminator fare less? It knows that shit isn't real and won't have conflicts with what is real or whatnot.

the cpu could just read everything as real, depending on how it went into the matrix.

Plus the Agent just made the steel door bend, and caused it to fly off its hinges, not punch through it, unlike what the Terminator in T1 did.

the steel door in T1 was nothing like the door in Revolution, totally different animal
He dented the door enough for it to cave, if that metal would have bent anymore he would have put a big hole in it.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2003-09-05 11:14am

Omega-13 wrote: yes it bent like a plastic spoon, whats the point it was still made out of metal.

Yeah, they manipulated the metal spoon to be bended like a plastic spoon. Material manipulation.

I watched all the animatrix, and both movies, and I've never seen anything about this time dilation crap, the 'slow downs' are just slow motion ! for us to see the fights, just like in every other movie, unless you think there is time dilation in all movies.

But wasn't it in Neo's prespective that he was slowing time down, dodging the bullets and crap, whilst to the others he's just a blur and a streak?

The agents punch is incredibly strong, the reason it doesn't hurt neo, but hurts say MOrph is because they are on different levels of 'belief' Isn't this extremely obvious?

The Terminator could also just shrug the Agent's punches as some code hullaballoo.

the cpu could just read everything as real, depending on how it went into the matrix.

It could also just shrug everything off as something happening in some virtual world which will do absolutely no harm to the body.

the steel door in T1 was nothing like the door in Revolution, totally different animal
He dented the door enough for it to cave, if that metal would have bent anymore he would have put a big hole in it.

Hmm.... sure, fine.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-09-05 11:16am

Omega-13 wrote:I watched all the animatrix, and both movies, and I've never seen anything about this time dilation crap, the 'slow downs' are just slow motion ! for us to see the fights, just like in every other movie, unless you think there is time dilation in all movies. The agents punch is incredibly strong, the reason it doesn't hurt neo, but hurts say MOrph is because they are on different levels of 'belief' Isn't this extremely obvious?

I have to disagree concerning time dilation, there are certain instances where time slows down significantly and its not to show off a figting move, but more IMHO to show that either the physics engine is trying to catch up to whats happening in the Construct or is an inherent ability to those that can manipulate the Matrix.

In the Highway chase scene there are several instances where time dilates for no apparent reason. (The tunnel leading to the freeway debris falls from the SUV and gunfire slows down for a moment. When an agent leaps from one car to the other time dilates.) Time dilation does happen in the Matrix, not just as a film maker's device to show off a cool move from Neo.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-09-05 01:53pm

Stravo wrote:
I have to disagree concerning time dilation, there are certain instances where time slows down significantly and its not to show off a figting move, but more IMHO to show that either the physics engine is trying to catch up to whats happening in the Construct or is an inherent ability to those that can manipulate the Matrix.

In the Highway chase scene there are several instances where time dilates for no apparent reason. (The tunnel leading to the freeway debris falls from the SUV and gunfire slows down for a moment. When an agent leaps from one car to the other time dilates.) Time dilation does happen in the Matrix, not just as a film maker's device to show off a cool move from Neo.

I agree. In "enter the matrix" there's a focus bar for you to use bullet time when you need it.

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-09-05 11:42pm

So who was slowing down the matrix in the highway chase scene? that was before the agents came into the scene so it wasn't then, was it the Ghosts? why didn't they do that in hand to hand fighting with morph,
It doesn't make sense at all, there is just no evidence of time dilation,
its in every movie,
so is music

its part of the eye candy,
this is a prime example of over analyzation where things are taken out of context BECAUSE of that

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2003-09-06 02:47pm

Do the limitations of human reaction times have effect in the matrix? Can you lower the your reaction times in the Matrix?

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-09-07 04:34am

I watched all the animatrix, and both movies, and I've never seen anything about this time dilation crap, the 'slow downs' are just slow motion ! for us to see the fights, just like in every other movie, unless you think there is time dilation in all movies.

Animatrix: 'World Record' director's commentary.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2003-09-08 01:15am

GAH! NEW CHAPTER!!! NOW!!!! Pretty, pretty please