Bayonet wrote:
Granted, there is no defense if you are close enough, no more than there is if a grenade goes off in your hole.
I think that's the problem with the UK's Protect and Survive: we were down in NATO war planning as the staging area for reinforcement of the most likely ground war front, and we're liberally covered in strategic targets mixed in with a very high population density. From where I sit, in a city with 180,000 population including suburbs, I can tour five likely targets for strategic bombardment in an afternoon's brisk walk. The nearest, the HQ barracks of a mechanised infantry brigade, is less than a kilometre away. That's from my place of work. When I go home at night, I live five minutes' walk from the Royal Ordnance Factory my grandmother worked in in WWII, which was put out in the country where a. the Luftwaffe couldn't find it easily and b. if Nana got careless with the detonators*, not much would be blown up. You can say that about nearly all of mainland Britain, apart from the pennines and the highlands of Scotland.
The 1955 Strath report worked on the basis of a night bombardment by 10 10Mt initiations and came up with a third of the population casualties, three quarters of those fatal, with half of the survivors pinned in their homes for at least a week until fallout dropped to safe levels. The best evacuation plan they could come up with for urban centres needed nine days' lead time, as against a likely warning of inbound bombers of one hour if they were dim enough not to fly below radar (which would reduce our warning to three minutes).
At the time Strath was writing, the Soviets couldn't have managed anything like that, but their capabilities caught up and then surpassed it. Basically, for most of the UK's population, for most of the cold war, we were in the zone of total destruction for at least one initiation, and likely two or more. There probably wouldn't have been enough of us left to bury our own dead, never mind that the bunkers required to protect key workers in target zones would have cost an appreciable chunk of the national budget at a time when we were still broke from the cost of stomping Hitler flat, so most of them would have been dead, casualties, or out of the game for a week or more due to fallout. The survivors, such as they were, wouldn't have been a functioning nation for generations to come.
Of course, CND were full of crap on this as well, as the lack of nuclear weapons on our soil wouldn't have reduced our density of worthwhile strategic targets appreciably at all. Our only worthwhile defence would have been not to have a war at all.
Phew. Hella screed for a first post, but I have been enjoying this story, and happy to see that the effect of the nuclear weapons isn't being taken lightly. Bravo, and looking forward to more!
*Which she did at least once, fortunately while she was in the quality control shed: she blew up the rejects bin. Took the roof off the shed, and her and her friend had to spend a couple of nights in hospital. Doesn't seem to have done her any lasting harm, she's ninety next year and still regularly out and about with her pack of cackling harpies group of close elderly friend. I genuinely dread to think what they were like in their twenties, it must have added a whole new terror to being away from home for visiting GIs.
Truly sombering chapter. You've got a way with nuke descriptions Stuart. Excellent addition to the story.
The next chapter or two, I'd imagine, will be dealing with the reactions of humans, demons, and angels to the horror that is nuclear warfare. Does Drippy still want to be just like humans knowing this kind of destruction is possible at our hands? Will this make Michael have a "what have I done..." moment? How will Michael's co-conspirators deal with this new developement, do the still want to follow the angel who brought this horrible destruction to Heaven? Did Elhmas really die or is he genre savvy enough to have not been presenting himself as the obvious general in the army (a recurring theme the last few chapters) and what are HIS reactions if still alive? Are we going to see angelic hosts and second life heaven humans surrendering by the bucket load?
Ryan Thunder wrote:Stuart, just something I've noticed is that in spite of the detail of your descriptions, I don't seem to be getting a good sense of the scale of things. Just numbers aren't enough to communicate it, really. I know in my head that this was an incredibly large army that was just totally destroyed, but the emotional part of my brain just doesn't pick up on it. As far as its concerned all that happened was "Oh, okay, some angels got nuked." I'm just concerned that it might have the same effect on some other folks.
Anyway, I hope you find that helpful.
If you saw The Lord Of the Rings: Return of the King the battle of Pelennor Fields, there is a sweeping shot as the armies of Mordor arriving outside Minas Tirith. According to the behind the scenes documentary, they depicted 350,000 individuals.
Don't know if that helps the sense of scale or not.
Hofner1962 wrote:If you saw The Lord Of the Rings: Return of the King the battle of Pelennor Fields, there is a sweeping shot as the armies of Mordor arriving outside Minas Tirith. According to the behind the scenes documentary, they depicted 350,000 individuals.
Don't know if that helps the sense of scale or not.
That's great, but he needs to communicate that in the novel.
Sea Skimmer wrote:An Ion drive is much slower to speed up and down, but its nuclear reactor core could last for decades, and you could find more propellent as you go. So on a long range mission the ion drive ship might end up being faster because the engine is always running.
The reactor may still be going, but the engines won't be. But ion drives work by accelerating ions up to very high speed using a voltage differtial between two metal grids. The downstream grid is continually bombarded by high energy atomic nuclei, and wears out eventually. Making the grids last as long as possible or devloping alternatives (HALL thrusters, Arc-Jets, etc) is an active area of research for both NASA and ESA.
Captain Trek wrote:
Turns out, the piece of music does indeed fit perfectly, so I thought it only right that I share it with you guys... Consider it a tribute to Uxhalar-Lan-Sarael, a redshirt who has gone above and beyond the call of duty by being able to make me feel specifically for him (rather than just the scene in general)... http://www.mediafire.com/?xy0w3trumhy
...try to picture that music set to the scene detailed in the last few paragraphs of chapter seventy. Uxhalar walking among the charred and burnt human levies, the unnamed angel looking up at him and telling him the son of Yaweh is dead and finally his wing feathers falling away behind him as he trudges off with the rest of the (former) soldiers... It might not have the same effect on you as it had on me, but I thought it was a powerful image...
Isn't that When Johnny comes marching home? Yep, thats the name of the tune.
Captain Trek wrote:
...try to picture that music set to the scene detailed in the last few paragraphs of chapter seventy. Uxhalar walking among the charred and burnt human levies, the unnamed angel looking up at him and telling him the son of Yaweh is dead and finally his wing feathers falling away behind him as he trudges off with the rest of the (former) soldiers... It might not have the same effect on you as it had on me, but I thought it was a powerful image...
Isn't that When Johnny comes marching home? Yep, thats the name of the tune.
Somehow, I don't see the boys cheering and the men shouting with joy when Uxhalar drags his dieing arse home.
- Dennis
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Many battles have been fought and won by soldiers nourished on beer, and the King does not believe that coffee-drinking soldiers can be relied upon to endure hardships in case of another war.
-Frederick the Great, 1777
Though what would truly be ironic? "Battle Hymn of the Republic". Seriously, read the lyrics, have it get played over the annihilation of Yahweh's best troops, and see how it works.
Bayonet wrote:
Somehow, I don't see the boys cheering and the men shouting with joy when Uxhalar drags his dieing arse home.
Then try the less glorious old Irish version.....
While goin' the road to sweet Athy, hurroo, hurroo
While goin' the road to sweet Athy, hurroo, hurroo
While goin' the road to sweet Athy
A stick in me hand and a drop in me eye
A doleful damsel I heard cry,
Johnny I hardly knew ye!
With their drums and guns and guns and drums
The enemy nearly slew ye
Oh darlin' dear, Ye look so queer
Johnny I hardly knew ye.
Where are your eyes that were so mild, hurroo, hurroo
Where are your eyes that were so mild, hurroo, hurroo
Where are your eyes that were so mild
When my heart you so beguiled
Why did ye run from me and the child
Johnny I hardly knew ye!
With their drums and guns and guns and drums
The enemy nearly slew ye
Johnny me dear, Ye look so queer
Johnny I hardly knew ye.
Where are your legs that used to run, hurroo, hurroo
Where are your legs that used to run, hurroo, hurroo
Where are your legs that used to run
When first you went to carry a gun
Indeed your dancing days are done
Oh Johnny, I hardly knew ye!
With their drums and guns and guns and drums
The enemy nearly slew ye
Oh darlin' dear, Ye look so queer
Johnny I hardly knew ye.
Ye haven't an arm, ye haven't a leg, hurroo, hurroo
Ye haven't an arm, ye haven't a leg, hurroo, hurroo
Ye haven't an arm, ye haven't a leg
Ye're an armless, boneless, chickenless egg
Ye'll have to put with a bowl out to beg
Oh Johnny I hardly knew ye!
With their drums and guns and guns and drums
The enemy nearly slew ye
Johnny me dear, Ye look so queer
Johnny I hardly knew ye.
"I have never had anything to do with duels since. I consider them unwise and I know they are dangerous. Also, sinful. If a man should challenge me now I would go to that man and take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet spot and kill him" -Mark Twain
Actually, not really... The version of the song I've linked you guys to is a melancholy rendition of the song intended to set the backdrop for when your army gets defeated in the game (hence why its in-game filename is "JOHNNYSAD.wav"). Certainly a cheery version of that song wouldn't work (except, possibly, for irony value), but change the tempo and the instruments and the tone of the piece changes completely...
ANTIcarrot wrote:
The reactor may still be going, but the engines won't be. But ion drives work by accelerating ions up to very high speed using a voltage differtial between two metal grids. The downstream grid is continually bombarded by high energy atomic nuclei, and wears out eventually. Making the grids last as long as possible or devloping alternatives (HALL thrusters, Arc-Jets, etc) is an active area of research for both NASA and ESA.
I was assuming that issue would be overcome by R&D prior to building any ship, and you could bring a few spares along anyway. Ion engines that we have now are not the product of any really large spending plan. You'd need a pretty huge R&D phase to make Orion actually work too. The shock absorbers and flight control system could not be much like anything we have now, and you have a rather glaring issue of how do you test any of it full up? We blew up dozens and dozens and dozens of rockets to make space boosters work, but how do you do test shots for 10,000 ton nuclear blast propelled spacecraft? Running the engine on a test stand sure would be fun...
"This cult of special forces is as sensible as to form a Royal Corps of Tree Climbers and say that no soldier who does not wear its green hat with a bunch of oak leaves stuck in it should be expected to climb a tree"
— Field Marshal William Slim 1956
Atlan wrote:
Except if you want to go places relatively quickly. Remember that Orion drives were concieved in a time when complex robot missions were still very much a pipe dream. Orion was manned. And you don't want your crew to suffer microgravity for any longer than needed, nor do you want them to spend a decade in space.
Well it would really depend on what you want to do. Since you need as much thrust as you use to speed up to slow down, and you can only haul so many nuclear weapons, an Orion craft has a very limited mission profile. Its great for going from one point to another, and that's it. If you want to come back, or stop at many planets it wont work so well. An Ion drive is much slower to speed up and down, but its nuclear reactor core could last for decades, and you could find more propellent as you go. So on a long range mission the ion drive ship might end up being faster because the engine is always running.
Engineers forgive me.
Isn't there an advantage in having a double engine system? Use the Pusher Plate on one end to de/accelerate the craft and then reorient the vehicle and turn on the ion drive for the duration?
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• Only the dead have seen the end of war.
• "The only really bright side to come out of all this has to be Dino-rides in Hell." ~ Ilya Muromets
"How are you feeling Maion?" Lieutenant Grace Zachariah looked at her patient with professional concern. A concern that felt slightly ridiculous given that the size differential between them was so marked. According to the medical records, Maion-Lan-Lemuel was about 20 feet tall standing up. Fortunately, she wasn't doing that right now. She was laying while Lemuel was sitting cross-legged on the ground beside her. The other thing that made concern seem unnecessary was Maion's beauty. Now the bruising had faded from her face and body, she was radiant.
"I am much better thank you. But I feel sick and my skin crawls. As if there were insects underneath it."
"That's you getting free of your drug addiction. Didn't anybody in Heaven tell you to just say no to drugs? I'll get you some methadone, you're about due for a new shot anyway." Lemuel's expression was one of resentment at the prolonged treatment and Grace didn’t like that. "Not a word from you Lemuel. We're detoxing you as well, remember?"
"How long is this going to last?" There was a hint of petulance in Maion's voice, one that reminded Grace of car trips and her little sister asking 'are we there yet?'
She hesitated before answering, partly because of a nurse's instinctive caution in telling patients anything and partly because any answer she gave would be a guess. When the Salvation War had started, the last thing anybody had expected was the problems inherent in treating drug-addicted angels. "If you were human, it would take between three and six months to get you cleaned up. Angels, we just don’t know. We're only just beginning to get a handle on how daemonic and angelic body chemistry differs from ours and without knowing that, our best predictions are guesswork."
"How is our patient Nurse?" Doctor Zinder had arrived and was reading the patient's clipboard.
"Suffering from mild drug withdrawal problems. I'm getting her daily methadone dose to deal with that. Otherwise, much recovered."
"Very good. Memnon is waiting outside, would you ask him to step in please?" Zinder turned to Maion. "You are looking much better. But, you must have realized by now that something is seriously wrong with your wings."
"They won't move." Zinder also noted the petulant intonation.
"Let me show you why. These are called X-rays, they're a sort of photograph that shows the inside of your body. These white things are the bones of your wings, these very bright white bits are the screws we put in to hold the long bones together while they healed. Now, these are pictures of a healthy wing, they're of Lemuel's actually. Compare them with yours, you can see the difference in the wing joint here. Lemuel's is a marvel, five bones coming together in a joint that has three axes of movement. Your joint, on the other hand, is just a fused mass of bone. Left to itself, it will never heal to anything more than that."
Maion started to cry, causing Lemuel to grip her hand and wrap his wing over her head. Zinder paused for a second, then carried on. "There is another option. There's somebody I would like you to meet."
Lemuel looked around, then his eyes opened with shock. "A Fallen One. What is he doing here?" The question was directed at Zinder and had a degree of anger in it.
"This is Memnon, a senior member in the government of President Abigor. Memnon lost his wings in a battle with our forces. As you can see, he got them back. I'll let him tell you the story."
Zinder sat back while Memnon told the story of his adventures in Iraq and Hell to the two Angels. While he did so, Zinder watched him carefully, trying to learn as much as he could from what, he had no doubt, was the most unusual meeting ever held in Earth Hospital. When Memnon finished, Zinder took over the conversation. "We can't be sure that angels regenerate the same way daemons do. So you have a choice Maion. You can stay with wings that are present, but paralysed and useless or we can amputate them and hope that they regrow. If they do, you should have fully functional wings again, if they do not, you'll be wingless. Up to you. Something I have to add, you're the most advanced patient we have here. What happens with you will determine how the other Angels are treated. Some of them are in much worse condition than you are. Their wings were broken and re-broken while some have had their legs injured the same way as well. If this amputation and regrowth doesn’t work, they won’t be able to walk, let alone fly."
Maion started crying again. "That's horrible."
"How do we know he's telling the truth?" Lemuel spoke belligerently. "The Fallen Ones are our enemies, they always have been. They have plotted against us for millennia."
"As you have against us never-born. Your arrogance wearies me as it has done for centuries." Memnon was equally belligerent and Zinder got the same sort of feeling he did when dealing with his children squabbling over who had the largest apple.
"Shut up both of you." Zinder looked at them both with exasperation. "Lemuel, I got the medical records from the hospital that treated Memnon. It took a little time because it is an Army facility and this is a Navy installation but I've got them. I've even got the X-rays of his wings before and after the amputation and regrowth treatment. They confirm everything he has just told you. I wouldn't have let him even mention this without checking out his story. Listen, both of you, it's time to let old hatreds die. Isn't it obvious by now that both Yahweh and Satan played you all for suckers? Us too, only now we're doing something about it. Memnon, coming here to help was a generous and kindly gesture and you should appreciate it Lemuel. But this is a hospital and I'll have no squabbling here. Either of you causes trouble and out you both go. The only person who really matters here is Maion and all that matters is what's best for her. Get it?"
Memnon and Lemuel looked at each other, their mouths hanging open with shock.
"Err, yes." Lemuel was speaking for them both. "My apologies, you too Memnon. We'd better forget what happened in the past or the humans might get angry with us."
"Doctor, the wings I have will never work again. I do not need your pictures to know that." She paused took her breath. "Lemuel, with your permission, please let them cut off these wings. They just get in the way now. I do not want to spend the rest of my life walking through doors sideways. Even if they don’t grow back properly, I'll be better off."
Lemuel nodded while Zinder made a cellphone call organizing an operating theater, as much white angelic blood as they had in stock and a couple of lumberjack-grade chainsaws. Then, he left the ward to get his surgical team ready. Memnon fell in beside him. Walking beside the daemon, Zinder couldn't help but ask a question that had been bothering him.
"Memnon, all we have learned about the Great Celestial War says that you daemons rebelled against Yahweh. Before that you were all part of the same host. Now, your superficial appearance is utterly different. What happened?"
Memnon thought carefully for a few seconds. "We were all similar once. But then, soon after we took over Hell and made our home there, the great volcano that is now the Hellpit erupted. The old stories say it was terrible with a poisoned gas that smelled of bad eggs spewing over the land. Slowly, we became changed, loosing our white coats and feathers and becoming as you see us now. Our offspring also changed, a little bit at first, then more and more until we had split into all the groups you see today. It was always said that Yahweh caused the great eruption to try and destroy us but he only partly succeeded. Satan himself made things worse by experimenting with breeding one group with another. And there was . . . . ."
Suddenly the voice he had first heard in the deserts of Iraq whispered in his ear. That is enough. They need know no more. The end of your story is still far away. With those words in his mind, Memnon fell silent.
Headquarters, Human Expeditionary Army, Heaven.
"Are the latest damage assessment pictures in?"
The officer from the National Reconnaissance Office nodded. "They are, although I suggest we do not release them for publication. Or put them on the military intranet, we've got a problem with leakage there. Somebody doesn’t know where their final loyalties lay. We've had videos of some actions leaking out already."
"I know." Petraeus was annoyed by the development. "We've got the Criminal Investigative Services looking into it. What's the situation?"
"Pretty grim. What's left of the Army on which we dropped the hammer is wandering away from Ground Zero. I wouldn't call it a retreat or a rout, it's more like they're stunned and just getting away from the scene. They're dying like flies as they go. We can track the various groups of survivors by the trail of bodies they're leaving behind them. Our estimate of the force subject to the laydown was around 450,000 human levies and around 50,000 angels. By counting up survivors and the dead outside the blast zone, we think the number of dead has reached 349,000 humans and 45,000 angels. It's still climbing."
"Not for much longer." The Targeteer spoke from one corner of the room. "It should level off at roughly that level now as the last of the critically-exposed die off. We'll see another surge in six to eight weeks when the longer-term exposure cases begin to expire. From what I've seen of the pictures, radiation poisoning is pretty much endemic to the survivors. Some of the close-ups already show humans loosing their hair while the surviving angels are shedding feathers. None of them seem able to fly any more by the way. They're all walking."
"The Trail of Tears." Petraeus was thoughtful. "What's the radiation count like?"
"Declining quickly. We have a small plume trailing south but it's way sub-critical. We were lucky." The NRO Officer had pictures showing the intensity of the contamination from the initiation. A great circle around Ground Zero with what looked like the tail on a comma pointing south.
"Luck had nothing to do with it. " The Targeteer's voice never deviated from its flat monotone. "We waited for still air and initiated high enough to reduce contamination to a minimum. What we can see now is what there's going to be. We've sent out a warning to the troops to watch out for any snow-like particles and to get under cover immediately if any are reported. What we don’t know is how the spatial geography of Heaven is going to change things. We've never performed an initiation in a self-contained space before. At least we know that nuclear physics is more or less the same thing as on Earth. All the parameters we measured track with our Earthside results. One thing we should worry about, a lot of the potential fall-out got blasted high. On Earth, it wouldn't come down for months and by the time it did, it would have decayed into insignificance. Here, who knows when it will come down."
"Safe for troop movements?"
The Targeteer thought for a second. "If we have to. Armored forces anyway. However, I would urge that we keep out troops away from the area around Ground Zero and that fallout plume. Just because we can, doesn’t mean we should."
Petraeus nodded vigorously "I agree. There's no reason to take chances with the long term health of our troops. There's enough good ground up here to give us plenty of other options. In fact, we've got nothing but options. There's no real bottlenecks we have to go through that I can see. Thank you gentlemen, I'll study your reports in detail later. Please be available if I have any questions to ask."
Survivors, 23 miles West of Ground Zero. Heaven
Uxhalar-Lan-Sarael stopped to vomit but his stomach was already empty and ached from the constant retching. He had suffered from diarrhea as well but now his intestines were cramping as they tried to drive non-existent waste from his body. Walking was becoming more and more tiring and he wasn't sure how much longer he could carry on. Members of the group he had joined were dropping out all the time, collapsing by the side of the path they had been following. One of them had been the angel he had first spoken with, Ursais-Lan-Anadiel. He had seemed to have survived except for his burns and the deep lacerations from his wounds, but the white blood from his veins had continued to flow despite all efforts to stop it. The wounds had been joined by bleeding from inside when Ursais had started to vomit blood and it had seeped from his ears, nose, eyes and back passage. The constant bleeding had weakened him fast and he had collapsed by the roadside. Uxhalar had wanted to stay with him but he had died almost immediately.
Overhead, a sharp, rolling clap of thunder caused the column of survivors to look up in fear. That fear faded when they saw it was not another flash-bang weapon but simply a pair of human aircraft flying overhead. The scream of their jets followed the boom of their passage and Uxhalar saw them disappear into the distance with dull disinterest. It was a measure of the times that the human aircraft were now less of a threat than the misery they now faced. As his stomach cramped again, he seriously started to regret that the passing aircraft hadn't turned around to bomb and strafe them. That would have been a quick release from this slow, lingering death.
"Exalted One, please do not give up. Come, we will help you." Uxhalar felt himself being lifted up. He didn’t remember having fallen or laying in the grass but he had. A group of four humans were struggling to get him to his feet again. They lacked the strength to really help, but their devotion and the effort they were making inspired him and he staggered to his feet again. It was unbecoming for a member of the Angelic Host to thank a mere human for efforts performed on his behalf so he left them behind and once again began the laborious effort of raising his feet and taking steps further away from the horror that had destroyed this army.
He didn't get that much further. A few hundred paces more and a fit of coughing racked his body. He made a great effort and raised his hand to his mouth, seeing on it the traces of white blood that he had coughed up. There was more splattered on the path beneath him and his mind flickered back to Ursais-Lan-Anadiel. He felt dizzy, the coughing fit had disturbed something in his mind and he tried to walk further. It was too late, his legs were no longer strong enough to support him and he collapsed again. By the time some humans tried to help him, he was dead.
Presidential Palace, City of Dis, Hell
The problem with being a Lordly Daemon was that computer keyboards were simply not large enough or strong enough to survive his use. Abigor had destroyed six keyboards before he had learned to restrain his strength sufficiently to protect them. Then, he had managed to have some keyboards made that were actually large enough so that he didn’t press all the keys down at once with a single talon-stroke. Now, with a large monitor, his own keyboard and a small but growing knowledge of what computers could do, he was beginning to learn his way around cyber-space. He even had his own webpage, created for him by a friendly human, where he could post news about the daemonic community in Hell. He particularly enjoyed reading a page called "Ask Abigor" where humans could post questions to him about Hell and its inhabitants. He had a staff to find the answers of course but it was all part of his long-term plan to rebuild the image of daemons in human minds.
In his wanderings around the internet, Abigor had also discovered the vast variety of web communities where humans met with others of their kind. They had been confusing at first for what one group took as the undiluted and indisputable truth was viciously derided as imbecilic nonsense by the rest. Then, he had realized that disagreements were actually part of human strength for in the battle to prove "their" side right and "the other" side wrong their search to find the unanswerable argument had led to ever-deeper understanding of the world that surrounded them. On the other hands, some of the people on such sites were obviously completely nuts. Abigor had just finished reading a long dispute with somebody claiming that shooting people in the head wasn't an efficient way of killing them. Abigor would have liked to introduce the writer to Asmodeus who had been killed very effectively by repeated rifle shots to the head. Unfortunately, nobody knew where daemons, angels or second-life humans went when they died. If, indeed, they went anywhere when they died.
His break over, it was time to get back to work. Abigor closed the discussion site down, wondering briefly if humans really thought they could destroy stars, and went back to the news pages. Yahoo now had a separate section for news from Hell and from Heaven. He opened up the Hell section, and wondered, equally briefly, why it was that he got all the best information on what was happening in his own country from a computer website based on Earth. There was nothing really spectacular happening, the Orcs were rioting again, demanding to be restored to their ancestral lands and possessions. Abigor sighed at that, it meant another morning negotiating with them, the humans and the other surviving Lordly Daemons in an effort to find a solution to the Orc problem. In a way, things had been much simpler in Satan's day.
Out of curiosity, he opened up the heaven page to see what was happening in the human invasion of Heaven. Was Yahweh having as bad a time of it as Satan had? The first headline gave him all the information he needed on that. Yahweh had sent a force to attack the humans as they invaded Heaven. The humans had destroyed it, totally. That was no surprise, Abigor would have been more surprised if they hadn't. What did shock him, on reading the story, was that they had done it with a single weapon. His mind flashed back to an afternoon two years earlier where he had watched the human film on the making of the atomic bomb and had met with one of the humans who planned its use. He had gained the distinct impression that humans were very reluctant to use those weapons but they had dropped one on Yahweh's force with almost no hesitation.
Idly, Abigor wondered which of the Angelic forces had been destroyed. He was prepared to bet that it had been Yahweh's personal guard, the Incomparable Legion of Light. Abigor had fought them once, when they had been commanded by Michael-Lan in the great charge that had swept the daemonic armies out of Heaven. Now, they were gone, swept away by humans. Did that mean that Michael-Lan himself was dead? Every so often, Abigor had been kept awake at nights, wondering if his decision to surrender to the humans had been correct. Looking at the story on his screen and the pictures of the place where the humans had struck, Abigor knew he would never have to ask himself that question again.
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Nations do not survive by setting examples for others
Nations survive by making examples of others
Stuart wrote:Abigor had just finished reading a long dispute with somebody claiming that shooting people in the head wasn't an efficient way of killing him
YES!! Our boy made a cameo.
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Jesus is a dopped up hippy being played a fool {supposedly} by an angel.
Also, not only was Jesus not the god/man, but he was also likely descended from a demonic rape victim.
Stuart, I think you might have you very own special fan club amongst the JWs or Westboro Baptist people.
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• Only the dead have seen the end of war.
• "The only really bright side to come out of all this has to be Dino-rides in Hell." ~ Ilya Muromets
Breather chapter, I see. Still, the image of our protagonist from Armageddon, the ruler of all demonkind, daintily tapping keyboards with his massive talons so he can browse Yahoo! news and SDN made my afternoon.
I can imagine the trouble that Abigor must have with cell phones. I PERSONALLY have trouble with the size of modern cellphones and the buttons on them and I'm not a giant with talons on my fingers. He probably can't use a touch screen at all without putting little nubs on the end of his claws to prevent scratching. He can probably get a custom keyboard alot easier than a Demon Lord sized cellphone, which might amount to long earbuds connected to a cellphone where the input is removed in favor of a large key pad.
"Show me an angel and I will paint you one." - Gustav Courbet
"Quetzalcoatl, plumed serpent of the Aztecs... you are a pussy." - Stephen Colbert
"Really, I'm jealous of how much smarter than me he is. I'm not an expert on anything and he's an expert on things he knows nothing about." - Me, concerning a bullshitter
Jeremy wrote:Engineers forgive me.
Isn't there an advantage in having a double engine system? Use the Pusher Plate on one end to de/accelerate the craft and then reorient the vehicle and turn on the ion drive for the duration?
The problem here is that the pusher plate is so freaking heavy. If you don't absolutely have to have it, you're better off without it, replacing its mass with fuel tanks for the ion drive.
Stuart wrote:"...What we don’t know is how the spatial geography of Heaven is going to change things. We've never performed an initiation in a self-contained space before. At least we know that nuclear physics is more or less the same thing as on Earth. All the parameters we measured track with our Earthside results..."
Did we not know that when the first nuclear-powered ship went into Hell? I mean, you don't have to go critical to get observable results from a fission reaction.
Overhead, a sharp, rolling clap of thunder caused the column of survivors to look up in fear. That fear faded when they saw it was not another flash-bang weapon but simply a pair of human aircraft flying overhead.
Flash-bang seems... a bit of an understatement.
Jeremy wrote:EDIT
Jesus is a dopped up hippy being played a fool {supposedly} by an angel.
Also, not only was Jesus not the god/man, but he was also likely descended from a demonic rape victim.
Although, for all we know, he might well be descended from an angelic rape victim instead. Or, heck, an angelic consensual sex (victim? participant? Hard to say). Though since apparently the low angelic reproduction rate is due to the infertility of angelic males, maybe not.
UnderAGreySky wrote:Someone point me to this discussion, please!
The one where some fool asserted that shooting people in the head was a bad way to kill them? It's in Parting Shots, appropriately enough:
Stuart wrote:"...What we don’t know is how the spatial geography of Heaven is going to change things. We've never performed an initiation in a self-contained space before. At least we know that nuclear physics is more or less the same thing as on Earth. All the parameters we measured track with our Earthside results..."
Did we not know that when the first nuclear-powered ship went into Hell? I mean, you don't have to go critical to get observable results from a fission reaction.
For slow fission reactions in uranium, yes. There was always the possibility that some odd change in physics would cause fusion to work differently, or maybe prompt neutron reactions in weapon-grade fission material would be different or something. Unlikely, but it was still possible. Good to have it ruled out.
Jeremy wrote:Engineers forgive me.
Isn't there an advantage in having a double engine system? Use the Pusher Plate on one end to de/accelerate the craft and then reorient the vehicle and turn on the ion drive for the duration?
The problem here is that the pusher plate is so freaking heavy. If you don't absolutely have to have it, you're better off without it, replacing its mass with fuel tanks for the ion drive.
True. An Orion engine will enable a ground launch of a very massive payload though. So it could be a staged system and left in Earth orbit.
I suppose it is most useful for an emergency situation or an interplanetary warship.
• Only the dead have seen the end of war.
• "The only really bright side to come out of all this has to be Dino-rides in Hell." ~ Ilya Muromets
But ion drives work by accelerating ions up to very high speed using a voltage differtial between two metal grids. The downstream grid is continually bombarded by high energy atomic nuclei, and wears out eventually. Making the grids last as long as possible or devloping alternatives (HALL thrusters, Arc-Jets, etc) is an active area of research for both NASA and ESA.
