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Thanks. The All-Systems University has some semi-canon fluff that might be useful as well. As for story ideas, try avoiding all that Abyss/Trace=Star God thing nonsense that didn't make a lick of sense. There were a few episodes that relied on Trance's god-powers that would need to be rewritten, like the season 1 episode where the Andromeda kept getting blown up by some unknown alien ship (which they never followed up on IIRC).The Romulan Republic wrote:Thanks. I was wondering if anyone would respond. The Andromeda wiki has some good stuff, even if its episode sumaries are incomplete. Better than wikipedia anyway.
Oh, and welcome to SDN, I guess.
Commander of the MFS Darwinian Selection Method (sexual) Interesting. File that under "possible plot ideas".Vehrec wrote:After the end of the first or second season, the original guy who created the series from some of Rodenberry's disused plots was kicked from the show, as well as any overarching plot line. Instead, it was damn Kevin Sorbo who pushed the show's new direction towards a self-contained eposodic format. So there was a reason for that inanity.
Here's some little-known Trivia, Harper was supposed to wind up fully mechanical by the end of the series and unite a bunch of machines who had rebelled against their creators to help fight the Abyss.
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and then into a Harper-wannabe. One could use that for comedy relief and everyone would know that she did something with her powers... but not what. Same here. Again, I'm unsure weather this idea is even worth it, but this is similar to my thinking. The premise has potential, we just have to ditch 95 percent of the previous attempt.tezunegari wrote:I never really became a fan of Andromeda but I admit the premise of it was (and still is) good. What I never got arround were the many continuation errors and "the-stupidity-that-is-Dylan-Hunt".
That's a good idea. Mind if I borrow it?In the pilot Harper creates Romy. A humanoid and physical Avatar for the Andromeda AI. (She's even anatomically correct
How did Harper built her when he only arrived a few hours ago? He is a genius engineer i give him that, but why not state that the physical Avater was to be installed but the Nietzschean attack prevented that and Harper completed her. That alone would be an accomplishment.
Don't think I ever saw that. Fortunately. That's Voyager levels of suckage by the sound of it.Then it was said Romy was the first of her kind and that Andromeda had to rely on holographic avatars and monitors. But then they find the Pax Magellanic (I think), the gold collector's Edition of the same class as Andromeda and that ship was full of humanoid avatars with the ships AI posing as the acting Captain... and humping Dylan Hunt... with candle light diner... sure...
Well its a highly automated ship. I'd perhaps try to rationalize it as most of the crew being marines/fighter pilots, not actually critical to running the ship. Or hell, just change the numbers.And of course the Andromeda could be crewed by six people. A ship that originally had a crew of over 4000... yes of course it's possible in SciFi. If they had at least given a statement that Andromeda is operating at a severely lower efficiency than normal...
Didn't that return take like a year or two of blind jumps? Regardless, its an interesting tactical limitation, so I may keep it.The slipstream-engine is another nitpick for me. I agree that the idea of the drive is good but the fact that you need a biological pilot because they can feel the route within the slipstream?! Even that was countered with that one episode where Andromeda returned from a black-ops with her crew concerning the World-ship before Kevin Sorbo became her Captain.
It actually is reminiscent of the Doctor, come to think of it. And the changing personalities idea is interesting as well. Something that couldn't really be done on a TV show maybe, but easy to pull off in a written fanfic. Another one to file under possible ideas to use.About the Trance/sun-god... if that aspect of the show is to be kept, apply rules when she can go nova on the enemy. Or make it like the regeneration of the Doctor. If she does use her powers it will change her. It doesn't have to be her appearance, a change in personality would be a good challenge for the writers... imagine good little Trance turn into FemTyr
All good suggestions. Though Hunt declining Triumvir could be seen as entirely in-character for someone who is both stubbornly idealistic (at least early on), and not experienced in politics.Another bad thing in the original was the fact that once Hunt was able to recreate the Commonwealth A) he declined the position as Triumvir (spelling?) and B) they had nearly instantanious the ability to built High Guard ships. So if the reboot-Andromeda ever gets a new Commonwealth... please make them salvage and repair old High guard ships with new ships being built at a very slow pace as the technology had been lost for nearly 300 years. Including the limitation of Nova-Bombs to the Andromeda and a few salvaged ships. And even then those old High Guard ships should be very low in numbers, maybe even only on per fleet as a command ship. And some of them being used for reverse engineering.
Well Sorbo has no say in my writing, so its no problem.And it would be a good idea to remove the Kevin-Sorbo-centric writing of the later seasons. I always disliked how Sorbo/Hunt was always right and never screwed up. And when he screwed up it was just part of his plan...
You must be kidding me.JCady wrote:In Robert Hewitt Wolfe's "Coda", Trance reveals that she's the devil.
I think I've lost any interest in this project just from hearing that.
Why would you eliminate the canon crew? I mean, Dylan, yeah, I hate the hell out of him, but Tyr, Harper, Trance, they're all quite entertaining characters. I'm kinda ambivalent about Valentine, though.Setesh wrote:This reminds me, I have an Andromeda fic stored somewhere I should dust off where I eliminated Dyan and most of the canon crew entirely. I kept Rommy, and Rev Bem. Rommy was cool for most of the first season and Rev Bem because the concept of a buddist predator amuses me.
It's not quite as simplistic as that.In Robert Hewitt Wolfe's "Coda", Trance reveals that she's the devil.
If my memory serves me, basically before the big bang, there was "heaven", which was the singularity. Everything was ordered and together and dull. Trance was part of a group of extraplanar entities or somesuch that opposed "heaven", and caused the big bang to occur, and she became a solar avatar. She described the bad evil things that are trying to suck the world back together again as "love" (because the black holes are trying to pull everything back together again, towards "heaven"), basically, I think and that she was essentially, yeah, a devil. It was all kinda silly, but I still liked the sound of it more than the shit that followed after Wolfe left the show. Super-advanced godly "aliens" are a fairly common trope in sci-fi, and while not particularly original, Wolfe was good enough at writing plot-driven stories that I have no doubt it would have turned out well. http://www.cyberspace5.net/agentrichard ... start.htm"The Romulan Republic wrote:You must be kidding me.JCady wrote:In Robert Hewitt Wolfe's "Coda", Trance reveals that she's the devil.
No, you just have to ditch everything after "Bunker Hill".The Romulan Republic wrote:Same here. Again, I'm unsure weather this idea is even worth it, but this is similar to my thinking. The premise has potential, we just have to ditch 95 percent of the previous attempt.tezunegari wrote:I never really became a fan of Andromeda but I admit the premise of it was (and still is) good. What I never got arround were the many continuation errors and "the-stupidity-that-is-Dylan-Hunt".
In the pilot Harper creates Romy. A humanoid and physical Avatar for the Andromeda AI. (She's even anatomically correct
How did Harper built her when he only arrived a few hours ago? He is a genius engineer i give him that, but why not state that the physical Avater was to be installed but the Nietzschean attack prevented that and Harper completed her. That alone would be an accomplishment.
Wrong, that was never said in the show. Or at least not in the canon run. Avatars are a lost technology in many places after the fall, maybe you mean that.Then it was said Romy was the first of her kind and that Andromeda had to rely on holographic avatars and monitors.
It was actually one of the better episodes and a very scary example of what happens when an AI gets crazy. And it was nowhere near the case of what the quote makes it out to be. Actually, what happened was that the AI had engaged in an affair with her captain, went schizophrenic and tried to replace that captain with Hunt. In the end she committed suicide by cop.Don't think I ever saw that. Fortunately. That's Voyager levels of suckage by the sound of it.But then they find the Pax Magellanic (I think), the gold collector's Edition of the same class as Andromeda and that ship was full of humanoid avatars with the ships AI posing as the acting Captain... and humping Dylan Hunt... with candle light diner... sure...
But it is always shown. Example - a mere destroyer sized ship gets them into a lot of trouble in "D minus zero", Tyr has to pilot the slipfighters by hand - causing the ship to almost been blown up by a less-capable opponent in Banks of the Lethe etc. Plus, Harper has to run maintenance all the time.And of course the Andromeda could be crewed by six people. A ship that originally had a crew of over 4000... yes of course it's possible in SciFi. If they had at least given a statement that Andromeda is operating at a severely lower efficiency than normal...
No, the numbers make sense. Anyway, here is what Andromeda herself had to say about the matter:Well its a highly automated ship. I'd perhaps try to rationalize it as most of the crew being marines/fighter pilots, not actually critical to running the ship. Or hell, just change the numbers.
Due to the fighter numbers, I wager at least half of the crew complement were actually involved in carrier operations, intelligence, lancers, scientists etc. The XMC class is a command ship first and foremost, warship second.I am accustomed to traveling with a complement of 4,132 crew members, including officers and enlisted.
Due to the current unusual circumstances, most of the posts and assignments are being handled by my own droids and bots. It's not the most comfortable way of functioning, but it's perfectly adequate.
No, it took her one blind jump and then over a year she drifted until she was found.The slipstream-engine is another nitpick for me. I agree that the idea of the drive is good but the fact that you need a biological pilot because they can feel the route within the slipstream?! Even that was countered with that one episode where Andromeda returned from a black-ops with her crew concerning the World-ship before Kevin Sorbo became her Captain.
Oh God no. You don't get the character at all. First, using S1 and S2, Trance can not go nova on anyone. She is an avatar, the best she can do is manipulate time. Not go Nova on anyone.About the Trance/sun-god... if that aspect of the show is to be kept, apply rules when she can go nova on the enemy. Or make it like the regeneration of the Doctor. If she does use her powers it will change her. It doesn't have to be her appearance, a change in personality would be a good challenge for the writers... imagine good little Trance turn into FemTyr
Do it, but please don't call it Andromeda fanfic then, because it is so far removed from the original idea it isn't Trance anymore.It actually is reminiscent of the Doctor, come to think of it. And the changing personalities idea is interesting as well. Something that couldn't really be done on a TV show maybe, but easy to pull off in a written fanfic. Another one to file under possible ideas to use.
Declining the position made no sense and was never the intention of the original writers. And why wouldn't they get the ability to built High Guard ships? The Perseid for example built massive fleets before the reunification, why wouldn't they be able to do that anymore? You seem to have a very minimalistic view of the Dromverse. This is an universe where fleets number in the thousands.Another bad thing in the original was the fact that once Hunt was able to recreate the Commonwealth A) he declined the position as Triumvir (spelling?) and B) they had nearly instantanious the ability to built High Guard ships. So if the reboot-Andromeda ever gets a new Commonwealth... please make them salvage and repair old High guard ships with new ships being built at a very slow pace as the technology had been lost for nearly 300 years. Including the limitation of Nova-Bombs to the Andromeda and a few salvaged ships. And even then those old High Guard ships should be very low in numbers, maybe even only on per fleet as a command ship. And some of them being used for reverse engineering.
Actually, he is both. Declining Triumvir makes no sense and if he wasn't experienced in politics, he would not have been the captain of the flagship of the Commonwealth in the first place, since it mainly is used to show the flag.All good suggestions. Though Hunt declining Triumvir could be seen as entirely in-character for someone who is both stubbornly idealistic (at least early on), and not experienced in politics.
Symptomatic of the latter seasons, in S1 and S2 he screwed up quite often. Do I have to list the many times Rommie or Tyr or Beka or Trance had to save his sorry ass? In Season 1, he got himself captured/nearly killed at least a dozen of times.Well Sorbo has no say in my writing, so its no problem.And it would be a good idea to remove the Kevin-Sorbo-centric writing of the later seasons. I always disliked how Sorbo/Hunt was always right and never screwed up. And when he screwed up it was just part of his plan...
Allsystem is fully canon, in fact it is the highest canon Andromeda ever had. In the Dromverse, written canon overrides everything seen in the show.bullethead wrote:Thanks. The All-Systems University has some semi-canon fluff that might be useful as well. As for story ideas, try avoiding all that Abyss/Trace=Star God thing nonsense that didn't make a lick of sense. There were a few episodes that relied on Trance's god-powers that would need to be rewritten, like the season 1 episode where the Andromeda kept getting blown up by some unknown alien ship (which they never followed up on IIRC).The Romulan Republic wrote:Thanks. I was wondering if anyone would respond. The Andromeda wiki has some good stuff, even if its episode sumaries are incomplete. Better than wikipedia anyway.
Oh, and welcome to SDN, I guess.
No,that was the original idea. None of that is invented. Trance was always going to be the devil. And don't think that really happened the way she described it - "Love" etc. are always just metaphors for when she speaks to humans because they probably would not understand the real things.Setesh wrote:http://www.cyberspace5.net/agentrichard ... start.htm"The Romulan Republic wrote:You must be kidding me.JCady wrote:In Robert Hewitt Wolfe's "Coda", Trance reveals that she's the devil.
There is a rather odd story behind this story. Wolfe wrote this after the series ended to try to reconcile the series he started with the bizarre shit storm they ended with, without throwing out any 'canon' events. The best he could come up with is the whole series from the second season on is just a possible future, all the really dumb ass shit is the result of Trance playing with probabilities in her head to find a better future.
Trance (and by extension all her kind) are the result of universal boredom before the big band. They fought a being called Love that stabilized the singularity and kept it together. They won causing the big bang, Trance and company becoming stars, Trances body is an avatar of a stellar consciousness. The star minds call themselves 'Lightbringers'. Love meanwhile became The Abyss, desiring a return to singularity, imprinted its rage at the 'Lightbringers' into the 'race memory' of most species. So Trance is 'the devil' only because the Abyss tried to wire everyone an instinctive distrust of the 'Lightbringer's avatar form.
It's still stupid, but its the only way he could make sense out of the series as a whole.
edit sorry about the link damn thing wouldn't dress proporly for some reason.
Not the way I heard it. All this crap was done during the rewrites they had to do when Rev Bem's actor had to quit for health reasons.Thanas wrote:No,that was the original idea. None of that is invented. Trance was always going to be the devil. And don't think that really happened the way she described it - "Love" etc. are always just metaphors for when she speaks to humans because they probably would not understand the real things.
Actually, that was described numerous times. Here goes:speaker-to-trolls wrote:something I've always wondered about Andromeda: Has anyone tried to come up with a decent explanation for how Nietzchean society works? All I've been able to find is that their society is supposedly based on the work of Nietzche, Rand and the application of Dawkins ideas about the Selfish Gene to morality, which sounds insane enough, and given the way most Nietzcheans on the show seemed to act I have to wonder how any society of more than 50 of them doesn't collapse under the weight of its own machiavellian nonsense.
