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Hi guys!

I've been wondering about writing a fan-fic with a very different take on the whole Star Trek v.s. Star Wars stuff.
The Star Trek perpsective in most fan-fics are almost always from the Federation's side or characters.
I don't think I've ever came across a fan-fic that focuses on Romuluans, Klingons, or Borg exclusively aganist the Galatic Empire or New Republic.


If I was to write a fan-fic, it'd be set about 2 to 3 years after Star Trek: Nemesis. I have a few ideas floating around in my mind about the "empires" involved.

Here goes....

Basic plot:

The Romulans decide to expand and conquer. They manage to overcome the Federation and the Klingons after some sabotage and bloody battles with the new Valdore warbirds, along with a couple of newly built Scimitars.

Then some time later, the "Grand Romulan Empire" encounters a wormhole and et cetera, bringing it in contact with the Galatic Empire or Yuzan Vong. Then begins the "conflict" with a completely different perpsective instead of Starfleet or Federation in almost everyone and their uncle's ST vs SW fan fic.


My second idea.... do it from the Borg perpsective. A Borg with brains for a change. Perhaps I could have the Borg assilimate a new AI or something with intutiton, grasp of strategy, and common sense. Then have the Borg encounter either Galatic Empire or Yuzan Vong.

Imagine, a battle of pure machinery aganist pure organics. The conflict will occur without the cheesy Voyager stuff. The Borg will be the original tough version, from TNG's mid-season.... the BoBW Borg, not the weak arse Voyager Borg.



Which premise would be more interesting and ambitious? Let me know, guys!

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Every single one is hopelessly onesided in favor of the Empire. To have a worth while fic, you need to do somthing smaller with more balaned, like a lost Imperial carrier wandering through Borg space.

True, Sea Skimmer.

But that's what happens to the Federation.

The Romulans, Klingons, Dominion, etc. don't follow the Federation's rules.

If I do indeed create a fan-fic, I'm not sure whether I'll set it a few years after the Nemesis movie, or a century. I could take the Star Trek universe in a completely new and different direction.

I do have some surprises that I've thought up for the Romulans that just might even out the odds a bit aganist the Empire.

Then again, I might do a New Republic like Mark S... or an alternate universe where the Vong took over the whole Star Wars universe.


I'm open to ideas.

Eaglewood wrote:True, Sea Skimmer.

But that's what happens to the Federation.

The Romulans, Klingons, Dominion, etc. don't follow the Federation's rules.

Then they get their asses whooped while playing to different rules. It's just different flavors of an overly one-sided battle.

Are you sure, Utsan?

If I indeed do write for the Romulans, I'm seriously considering setting it 10 to 100 years after the TNG era.

I'll start the "split" from conventional Star Trek universe based on the last few scenes in the movie "Nemesis". The new "timeline" willl branch out somewhat like one of Worf's quantum realities or a semi-parallel universe.

In 100 years, my Romulans will probably go on to conquer Federation and their "Prime Directive" bickering. Develop better technologies, and include some new technologies like HappyTarget's slipstream or Romulan's own version of Transwarp.

With some of these technologies, it'll be the first steps in closing the huge gap between the Galatic Empire and the Romulan Star Empire. The Empire will still have big bad-ass ships and plenty of power, but Romulans won't die in 1 shot or be a joke like the Federation in most ST vs SW fics due to 25th century tech, not 24th century.

Basically, it'd be somewhat like 1 in 50 odds instead of 1 in 100,000 odds in most other fan-fics.



Prime premise for my fic: 2 different mindsets for 2 different empires.

Galatic Empire = brute force and terror

Romulan Star Empire = covert ops, manipulation, and devilish plotting


This can apply the age old question; "Brute force to win, or does subvertion win in the long run?"

Eaglewood wrote: With some of these technologies, it'll be the first steps in closing the huge gap between the Galatic Empire and the Romulan Star Empire. The Empire will still have big bad-ass ships and plenty of power, but Romulans won't die in 1 shot or be a joke like the Federation in most ST vs SW fics due to 25th century tech, not 24th century.

Basically, it'd be somewhat like 1 in 50 odds instead of 1 in 100,000 odds in most other fan-fics.

You have a nice idea, EW, but it just won't work. Discounting massive, and I truly mean MASSIVE advances in tech, not even a century is enough to being closing the gap between SW and ST tech. Yes, it's that huge.

Prime premise for my fic: 2 different mindsets for 2 different empires.

Galatic Empire = brute force and terror

Romulan Star Empire = covert ops, manipulation, and devilish plotting

This can apply the age old question; "Brute force to win, or does subvertion win in the long run?"

I like this too, but again, it's a strained premise. The Romulan Empire, upon meeting the GE, and entering a war sometime later, will not have much of a spybase in the Empire. Unless decades pass between the meeting and the war, Romulans will have little knowledge of the Empire besides what they choose to tell them.

IG-88E wrote:

Eaglewood wrote: With some of these technologies, it'll be the first steps in closing the huge gap between the Galatic Empire and the Romulan Star Empire. The Empire will still have big bad-ass ships and plenty of power, but Romulans won't die in 1 shot or be a joke like the Federation in most ST vs SW fics due to 25th century tech, not 24th century.

Basically, it'd be somewhat like 1 in 50 odds instead of 1 in 100,000 odds in most other fan-fics.

You have a nice idea, EW, but it just won't work. Discounting massive, and I truly mean MASSIVE advances in tech, not even a century is enough to being closing the gap between SW and ST tech. Yes, it's that huge.

If we stick straight with the straight figure from the debates, yes. But, as long as Eaglewood is writting his story, then he adjust those number in his fanfic however he wants. Some people would enjoy a gripping tale, good characters and decent plotline rather an accurate vs. debate comparision; I'm one of them.

Depending on how he factors everything, this could make a good story even if it has a pro-ST flavor. Most of the trivial stuff can be easily worked around.

IG-88E wrote:

Eaglewood wrote: With some of these technologies, it'll be the first steps in closing the huge gap between the Galatic Empire and the Romulan Star Empire. The Empire will still have big bad-ass ships and plenty of power, but Romulans won't die in 1 shot or be a joke like the Federation in most ST vs SW fics due to 25th century tech, not 24th century.

Basically, it'd be somewhat like 1 in 50 odds instead of 1 in 100,000 odds in most other fan-fics.

You have a nice idea, EW, but it just won't work. Discounting massive, and I truly mean MASSIVE advances in tech, not even a century is enough to being closing the gap between SW and ST tech. Yes, it's that huge.

Prime premise for my fic: 2 different mindsets for 2 different empires.

Galatic Empire = brute force and terror

Romulan Star Empire = covert ops, manipulation, and devilish plotting

This can apply the age old question; "Brute force to win, or does subvertion win in the long run?"

I like this too, but again, it's a strained premise. The Romulan Empire, upon meeting the GE, and entering a war sometime later, will not have much of a spybase in the Empire. Unless decades pass between the meeting and the war, Romulans will have little knowledge of the Empire besides what they choose to tell them.

You bring up some valid points, IG. I'd like to point something out that might answer your question.

Take a step backwards and observe our real life history. We have approximately 6,000 years of recorded history from Ancient Egypt to Modern Times.

Yet, 90% of our advanced technology cropped up in the past 50 to 100 years. We had simple steam machinery 200 years ago, and now we have advanced super-computers and rudimentary research in nano-computers. Don't forget the medicinal and genetic stuff.

I forgot the name of the theory, but from what I remember of it, it states that technology "doubles" every 5 or 10 years. So in 2015, we will probably have "double" the technology that we have today, and in 2025 or 2030, we'd have "quadrupled" our modern tech.

In 1900, people dreamed about landing on the moon, thought lasers were fantasy / fictional, etc. then these things became reality. Don't forget the "cell phone" thing. In TOS, they had communicators like "cell phones" and now we have these "TOS" communictors, but more advanced! Probably soon, by 2015, we'll have TNG, DS9, and Voyager communicator "mini-cell phones". Oh, don't forget we might have flying cars. Heck, we have gyro-scooters that are somewhat remisicient of the hoverboard from Back to The Future Part 2 from 2015 with Marty.

Using this theory, at the end of the 25th century or mid 26th century, technology levels would be drastically better than the 24th century technology. If say, Picard or Janeway were brought into the 26th century, they'd think tech was uber-advanced or Q-like. Same could be said if Ancient Romans were brought to our modern times.

I can remember a couple of ideas to support this. In two TNG episodes, they had references to superior future technology. I think one was a time traveling ship from the 26th century, while the other was a device that was able to destroy stars. I think that "star-destroying" device might put 26th or 27th century Trek technology that much closer to Empire's technological levels than TNG or TOS levels.

Also, I remember the time thing in Voyager, with a dude from the 29th or 30th century with time-ships and portable holographic emitters. In addition, there was another example of advanced technology in Voyager, I think it was a Borg drone assilimating the Doctor's holographic emitter. That drone exhibited drastic improvements, even a personal teleporter, IIRC. If that feat is possible, think of the energy capabilities a ship in the 26th, 27th, 28th, 29th, and 30th centuries might generate.



Next issue... we know almost nothing about the Romulans. Granted, we know their basics, but we don't know the Romulans as well as, say, Klingons or Federation.

I'd like to explore the Romulans in more depth. I think the Romulans are much more interesting, believable, and fun than the Federation. I mean, come on, 5 Trek shows, all from the Federation's perpsective? That gets old and b-o-o-o-o-ring fast.

Where's a Romulan Trek Show? Klingon Trek Show? Or even a Ferengi Trek Show... now that'd be funny... To Make Where No Ferengi Has Ever Made Profit Before"! Hmm?



To clarify a point some of you might be asking in the back of your minds... I'm not advocating any form of favoritism, whether it be Trek or Wars in this fan-fic that I might write. Actually, I don't really have any love for the Federation in Star Trek. I prefer the more interesting races like Klingons or Romulans that has more depth to them than the cop-out of the "Prime Directive" and the cloying "Be Nice To Everyone And Their Uncle" mentality of the Federation.

I enjoy Wars as well. I think both universes are enjoyable in their own ways. It's like apples and oranges, ya know? Tasty, yet not exactly the same.



Anyways, I'm open to any suggestions you have in mind, IG and fellow authors out there.

I've decided that for my fan-fic that I won't base the Romulans in a 23rd or 24th century Trek universe. I'll base them in a futurstic universe probably 26th century or later, which opens up plenty of new ideas, twists, or plots to create or use. That frees me from canon Trek constraints, which sucks bad in some aspects. Voyager, anyone? Or B+B's crap?

How about the Romulans versus the Trade Federation?

How about "Romulans become nonhuman subjugates of the Empire within three days no matter what"

Romulans have this fixation on designing shitty warships that will fall apart quicker than the last turn in a game of jenga. 50-100 years isn't going to change that unless their entire fleet gets wiped out. Say by a pair of Carrack cruisers. Okay that night be a little extreme....


One Carrack >:v]X