Paul Martin of the Washington Times wrote:LONDON — Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, al Qaeda's purported operations chief, has told U.S. interrogators that the group had been planning attacks on the Library Tower in Los Angeles and the Sears Tower in Chicago on the heels of the September 11, 2001, terror strikes.
Those plans were aborted mainly because of the decisive U.S. response to the New York and Washington attacks, which disrupted the terrorist organization's plans so thoroughly that it could not proceed, according to transcripts of his conversations with interrogators.
Mohammed told interrogators that he and Ramzi Yousuf, his nephew who was behind an earlier attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, had leafed through almanacs of American skyscrapers when planning the first operation.
"We were looking for symbols of economic might," he told his captors.
He specifically mentioned as potential targets the Library Tower in Los Angeles, which was "blown up" in the film "Independence Day," and the Sears Tower in Chicago.
A British newspaper over the weekend published a detailed account that it said was taken from transcripts of the interrogation of Mohammed, who was captured last year in Pakistan.
The transcripts are prefaced with a warning that Mohammed, the most senior al Qaeda member yet to be caught, "has been known to withhold information or deliberately mislead."
According to the transcript, Mohammed has maintained that Zacarias Moussaoui, the French-Moroccan facing trial in the United States as the "20th hijacker," had been sent to a flight school in Minnesota to train for a West Coast attack.
That would buttress Moussaoui's contention that he is improperly charged with participation in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, because he was preparing for a different al Qaeda operation.
The new transcripts confirm an earlier report by the Associated Press that al Qaeda originally had planned to crash hijacked airliners into targets on both coasts.
The London Sunday Times said the transcripts covered interrogations conducted during a period of four months after a bleary-eyed Mohammed was captured in a pre-dawn raid a little more than a year ago.
The confessions reveal that planning for the September 11 attacks started much earlier and was more elaborate than previously thought.
"The original plan was for a two-pronged attack with five targets on the East Coast of America and five on the West Coast," he told interrogators, according to the transcript.
"We talked about hitting California as it was America's richest state, and [al Qaeda leader Osama] bin Laden had talked about economic targets."
He is reported to have said that bin Laden, who like Mohammed had studied engineering, vetoed simultaneous coast-to-coast attacks, arguing that "it would be too difficult to synchronize."
Mohammed then decided to conduct two waves of attacks, hitting the East Coast first and following up with a second series of attacks.
"Osama had said the second wave should focus on the West Coast," he reportedly said.
But the terrorists seem to have been surprised by the strength of the American reaction to the September 11 attacks.
"Afterwards, we never got time to catch our breath, we were immediately on the run," Mohammed is quoted as saying.
Al Qaeda's communications network was severely disrupted, he said. Operatives could no longer use satellite phones and had to rely on couriers, although they continued to use Internet chat rooms.
"Before September 11, we could dispatch operatives with the expectation of follow-up contact, but after October 7 [when U.S. bombing started in Afghanistan], that changed 180 degrees. There was no longer a war room ... and operatives had more autonomy."
Mohammed told interrogators that he remained in Pakistan for 10 days after September 11, 2001, then went to Afghanistan to find bin Laden.
When he was captured in March last year in the home of a microbiologist in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, the 37-year-old was unshaven and wearing a baggy vest.
The interrogation reports also indicate that Mohammed had introduced bin Laden to Hambali, the Indonesian militant accused in the terror attack that killed more than 200 people in Bali, Indonesia, in October 2002.
Mohammed was running a hostel filtering al Qaeda recruits in Peshawar, Pakistan, when he scouted Hambali, whose real name is Riduan Ismuddin and who ran the Islamist group Jemaah Islamiyah in Asia.
Later, Mohammed moved to Karachi, Pakistan. There, posing as a businessman importing holy water from Mecca, Saudi Arabia, he acted as a fund-raiser and intermediary between militants and sponsors in the Gulf.
His first planned anti-American attack was Operation Bojinka (Serbo-Croatian for "big bang") — a plot to blow up 12 U.S. airliners over the Pacific.
Yousuf and Hambali were involved in the scheme, which failed when the conspirators' Manila bomb factory caught fire. The men fled to Pakistan, where Yousuf was arrested.
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I think this speaks of just how stupid these people really are. What did they expect would happen after they rammed four planes into the World Trade Center, Pentagon and White House? That the US would just sit on its ass? Did the thought of having America's full military might bearing down on them immediately afterward even occur?
For people who managed to do what they did, I'm surprised at how remarkably short-sighted they are.
For people who managed to do what they did, I'm surprised at how remarkably short-sighted they are.
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Just imagine if they had been able to do all they planned on doing.Durandal wrote:I think this speaks of just how stupid these people really are. What did they expect would happen after they rammed four planes into the World Trade Center, Pentagon and White House? That the US would just sit on its ass? Did the thought of having America's full military might bearing down on them immediately afterward even occur?
For people who managed to do what they did, I'm surprised at how remarkably short-sighted they are.
If they think we reacted more strongly than they expected now it could have been a whole lot worse if thousands of people got killed in multiple cities.
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Durandal wrote:I think this speaks of just how stupid these people really are. What did they expect would happen after they rammed four planes into the World Trade Center, Pentagon and White House? That the US would just sit on its ass? Did the thought of having America's full military might bearing down on them immediately afterward even occur?
For people who managed to do what they did, I'm surprised at how remarkably short-sighted they are.
This could well just be deliberate misinformation to make the US think it's efforts where more effective then they actually where. In fact that's a high possibility likely since Al Qaeda is known to train its personal in such tactics. Or it could just be this guy attempting to make himself seem more important in hopes that he can cut a deal or something. Plus the article's indicated that he's trying to make himself look to not be a part of the September 11th attacks. So basically, don't be very trusting of the word of a terrorist with little chance of a future.
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I was thinking something along the same lines. That he might be blowing smoke in hopes of scaring more people or scaring people again. He is a "terrorist" after all.Sea Skimmer wrote: This could well just be deliberate misinformation to make the US think it's efforts where more effective then they actually where. In fact that's a high possibility likely since Al Qaeda is known to train its personal in such tactics. Or it could just be this guy attempting to make himself seem more important in hopes that he can cut a deal or something. Plus the article's indicated that he's trying to make himself look to not be a part of the September 11th attacks. So basically, don't be very trusting of the word of a terrorist with little chance of a future.
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Then if there were other Al-Quaeda member in other planes when the aircrafts landed,they may have gone away under the nose of airports securityphongn wrote:They may have planned more attacks later in the day -- or even had some hijackers already on some other aircraft just taking off or so -- but when the FAA grounded all non-military air traffic they wouldn't have been able to do much.Montcalm wrote:Lucky they didn`t highjacked more airplanes.
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I'll have to second SeaSkimmer and Tysroc here. No matter how stupid Bin Laden was, there's no way he could have assumed that a west coast tower attack plan would work after the Sept 11 attack had presumably succeeded. Even the most idiotic person would assume that airport security would be vastly tighter if such an operation were successful, and plan to hit some other kind of target in a followup operation rather than performing a clone operation and expecting it to succeed.
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Not to mention that the plans of that morning were begining to fall apart. After the first three strikes the people in flight 93 fought back because they knew they were going to die anyway.Darth Wong wrote:I'll have to second SeaSkimmer and Tysroc here. No matter how stupid Bin Laden was, there's no way he could have assumed that a west coast tower attack plan would work after the Sept 11 attack had presumably succeeded. Even the most idiotic person would assume that airport security would be vastly tighter if such an operation were successful, and plan to hit some other kind of target in a followup operation rather than performing a clone operation and expecting it to succeed.
Follow up attacks a day later or a week later would see simular failure in that I can't really see a plan load of people sitting still while crazy fuckers armed with box cutters kill them all.
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But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
I think you're probably right...but still. How could 9/11 have succeeded in advancing any rational goal Al Queda had? When people believe that they have God on their side, they often do pretty stupid things, and Al Queda might have been counting on Divine Intervention after they had proven their courage with the first set of attacks. These are fundies after all. Again, though, we have absolutly no reason to take this guy at his word.Darth Wong wrote:I'll have to second SeaSkimmer and Tysroc here. No matter how stupid Bin Laden was, there's no way he could have assumed that a west coast tower attack plan would work after the Sept 11 attack had presumably succeeded. Even the most idiotic person would assume that airport security would be vastly tighter if such an operation were successful, and plan to hit some other kind of target in a followup operation rather than performing a clone operation and expecting it to succeed.
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