New study: P2P does not significantly affect CD sales

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-03-31 01:33pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:Rogue, sorry to point this out to you, and it's a concept that seems harder and harder to get across to people....

COPYRIGHT INFRINGMENT IS NOT THEFT.

It is a very very different thing. You are infringing up thier right to COPY the material, rather than STEALING the material. In the case of theft you are taking thier item and depriving them of it, in copyright infringment you are COPYING it and they still have the original.

Copyright infringement is not a precise analogue to theft, but neither is currency counterfeiting. There are legitimate reasons to make copyright infringement illegal, but they must be balanced against the public good.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2004-03-31 01:42pm

Indeed, there are, however there is little more irritating in all this than the RIAA's constant bitching about folk "stealing"....

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-03-31 01:57pm

Durandal wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:What, you think they don't nail students for alcohol and tobacco, both legal for adults, as well? That has more to do with the fact that it involves children rather than a desire to go after all users in general, and if they ever did legalize drugs, they would still be illegal for school age children, unless Congress was smoking crack itself.
What the fuck are you rambling about? The purpose of lockdowns is to search for drugs, ergo, the users are getting nailed. No student hides alcohol in his locker, and smokers carry their cigarettes on them.

You think they still wouldn't nail students for drugs? I very much doubt it would be legal for underage students to have drugs any more than its legal for them to possess tobacco and alcohol.

No student hides alcohol in his locker

You obviously didn't attend my high school.

The cops bust parties for alcohol as well as drugs; you really think they'd not do so for drugs if they became legal above a certain age limit?

It's with great sadness that I say you're naive. Your Congressman doesn't give a shit.

Which is why I left other options. That's not the only thing I said.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-03-31 02:37pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Durandal wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:What, you think they don't nail students for alcohol and tobacco, both legal for adults, as well? That has more to do with the fact that it involves children rather than a desire to go after all users in general, and if they ever did legalize drugs, they would still be illegal for school age children, unless Congress was smoking crack itself.
What the fuck are you rambling about? The purpose of lockdowns is to search for drugs, ergo, the users are getting nailed. No student hides alcohol in his locker, and smokers carry their cigarettes on them.
You think they still wouldn't nail students for drugs? I very much doubt it would be legal for underage students to have drugs any more than its legal for them to possess tobacco and alcohol.

here's the question: outside of a shakedown, would cops honestly go out of their way to search every student just to bust someone for a trivial offense, or would they rather nail the ones that are stupid about it and actually smoke where they can get caught in the high school?

there simply isn't enough time to search every person every single day 24/7 to make sure that they aren't packing something that might be against policy. that's what the shakedowns are for, and why they normally don't happen on a regular basis. same thing with p2p. you're not going to catch every single user, but you can catch the ones that are being stupid about it and letting themselves be tracked.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-03-31 05:25pm

Rogue 9 wrote:You think they still wouldn't nail students for drugs? I very much doubt it would be legal for underage students to have drugs any more than its legal for them to possess tobacco and alcohol.

That may be true, but when have you ever heard of a lockdown called for when an anonymous tip gets phoned into the police saying that Tony Vincenzo is going to have cigarettes on him? Did you ever hear of a lockdown before the War on Drugs? I didn't think so.

You obviously didn't attend my high school. The cops bust parties for alcohol as well as drugs; you really think they'd not do so for drugs if they became legal above a certain age limit?

Ask cops if they're searching for alcohol or drugs when they go rifling through the lockers of students in high school. If they run across a flask, it's probably a surprise. They're looking for drugs, and that's my point. The government has declared a war on the dealers and the users. The dealers get much harsher penalties, but in many states, you are considered to be a dealer by simply possessing a certain minimum amount. It's called "possession with intent to distribute."

Which is why I left other options. That's not the only thing I said.

Oh yeah, you said, "... or bring charges, or something." Really specific there.