Bomb Found On Rail Line In Spain

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2004-04-02 12:11pm

theski wrote:Hell, That I agree with.... The leaders are smart, well funded...(Fucking Saudis) but the biggest motovating factor is Religous hatred.... They hate the western world and what we are.... How can you compromise with that??

Drivel.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-04-02 12:13pm

The Kernel wrote:
theski wrote: Hell, That I agree with.... The leaders are smart, well funded...(Fucking Saudis) but the biggest motovating factor is Religous hatred.... They hate the western world and what we are.... How can you compromise with that??
They would have to be terminally stupid to try an jeprodize that by attacking Spain again.

which is precisely what they guys at the low end of the totem pole are. Would you argue that someone who would kill themselves to make a political or religious point is anything other than stupid? Their condition is most definately terminal....

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-04-02 12:14pm

BoredShirtless wrote:
theski wrote:Hell, That I agree with.... The leaders are smart, well funded...(Fucking Saudis) but the biggest motovating factor is Religous hatred.... They hate the western world and what we are.... How can you compromise with that??
Drivel.

Mein Kampf was also drivel.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-04-02 12:17pm

BoredShirtless wrote:

whatever

You really do earn that title of yours...

Do you have anything of value to add to your little comment?? Or just more trolling

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-04-02 12:19pm

Col. Crackpot wrote: which is precisely what they guys at the low end of the totem pole are. Would you argue that someone who would kill themselves to make a political or religious point is anything other than stupid? Their condition is most definately terminal....

Considering the level of coordination we have seen from AQ thusfar, do you really think that the people on the low end of the organization are making these kinds of decisions by themselves? Hammas yes, but AQ has always seemed far more controlled and deliberate with their attacks.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2004-04-02 12:21pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:
BoredShirtless wrote:
theski wrote:Hell, That I agree with.... The leaders are smart, well funded...(Fucking Saudis) but the biggest motovating factor is Religous hatred.... They hate the western world and what we are.... How can you compromise with that??
Drivel.

Mein Kampf was also drivel.

An analogy between Hitler and Al Queda fails on so many levels, please don't try and even hint it.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-04-02 12:22pm

Here is a nice little snipet,

In the eyes of the Islamist movements and ideologists, there is already a state of war between the Muslim world and the Crusaders’ political culture. From their viewpoint, members of Islamist groups are not terrorists, but permanent soldiers in the service of Allah. As the enemy is everywhere, not only in its own countries but also deep inside the Arab and Muslim world in the form of corrupt governments and diseased cultures, the soldiers of Allah must wage a constant war on many fronts. And as the conspiracy is against Islam and the Muslims, their war is actually one of self-defense. Just as the infidels fight using contemptible and foul methods, the Islamic answer should use all possible means of defense--including indiscriminate terrorism.

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articled ... ticleid=46

Its tough to talk your way through that minefield..

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-04-02 12:23pm

BoredShirtless wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:
BoredShirtless wrote: Drivel.

Mein Kampf was also drivel.
An analogy between Hitler and Al Queda fails on so many levels, please don't try and even hint it.

the analogy is that people often believe drivel regardless of how stupid it is. Mein Kampf being the ultimate form of drivel.... look how many people swallowed that shit hook, line and sinker.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2004-04-02 12:25pm

theski wrote:BoredShirtless wrote:
whatever
You really do earn that title of yours...

Do you have anything of value to add to your little comment?? Or just more trolling

Fine. Since Crackpot's busy, rebutt this:

BoredShirtless wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:oh spare me your psudo-intelectual bullshit. Religious fundies kill people because god tells them to.
No ding-a-ling. God offers them a place in heaven; he doesn't tell them what to do, nor does he give them motive.

Sure there are often political motives and machinatins at the highest levels, but you are giving them far too much credit. Most of these fuckwits are uneducated god-freaks who do what they think their vengeful god wants them to do.
But the lower levels of these organisations wouldn't act without direction from the higher levels, right? And what drives the higher levels? The feeling of being wronged in some way; motive. So no, it isn't pseudo intellectual wanking to analyse the motive if you want to tackle the issue in an effective way.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2004-04-02 12:28pm

theski wrote:Here is a nice little snipet,

In the eyes of the Islamist movements and ideologists, there is already a state of war between the Muslim world and the Crusaders’ political culture. From their viewpoint, members of Islamist groups are not terrorists, but permanent soldiers in the service of Allah. As the enemy is everywhere, not only in its own countries but also deep inside the Arab and Muslim world in the form of corrupt governments and diseased cultures, the soldiers of Allah must wage a constant war on many fronts. And as the conspiracy is against Islam and the Muslims, their war is actually one of self-defense. Just as the infidels fight using contemptible and foul methods, the Islamic answer should use all possible means of defense--including indiscriminate terrorism.
http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articled ... ticleid=46

Its tough to talk your way through that minefield..

Talk my way out of what? It's just an opinion piece with no accompanying facts. Hosted on a website based in Israel, no less. What's your point? Or do you want me to create one for you?

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-04-02 12:29pm

BoredShirtless wrote

But the lower levels of these organisations wouldn't act without direction from the higher levels, right? And what drives the higher levels? The feeling of being wronged in some way; motive. So no, it isn't pseudo intellectual wanking to analyse the motive if you want to tackle the issue in an effective way.

Check out my above quote...

again...

Quote:
In the eyes of the Islamist movements and ideologists, there is already a state of war between the Muslim world and the Crusaders’ political culture. From their viewpoint, members of Islamist groups are not terrorists, but permanent soldiers in the service of Allah. As the enemy is everywhere, not only in its own countries but also deep inside the Arab and Muslim world in the form of corrupt governments and diseased cultures, the soldiers of Allah must wage a constant war on many fronts. And as the conspiracy is against Islam and the Muslims, their war is actually one of self-defense. Just as the infidels fight using contemptible and foul methods, the Islamic answer should use all possible means of defense--including indiscriminate terrorism.

Its not being wronged... its all about Religon and culture....

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2004-04-02 12:33pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:the analogy is that people often believe drivel regardless of how stupid it is. Mein Kampf being the ultimate form of drivel.... look how many people swallowed that shit hook, line and sinker.

Since the drivel I was refering to was theskis post, I've got no idea what you're on about. Oh, and in case it hasn't clicked: theski's thoughts on this are incomplete and worthless. Utter shit from the deepest parts Bill O'Reilly's bowels.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-04-02 12:48pm

BoredShirtless wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:the analogy is that people often believe drivel regardless of how stupid it is. Mein Kampf being the ultimate form of drivel.... look how many people swallowed that shit hook, line and sinker.
Since the drivel I was refering to was theskis post, I've got no idea what you're on about. Oh, and in case it hasn't clicked: theski's thoughts on this are incomplete and worthless. Utter shit from the deepest parts Bill O'Reilly's bowels.

an area of the human anatomy you quite obviously have intimate knowlege of.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2004-04-02 12:48pm

BoredShirtless wrote:
theski wrote:Hell, That I agree with.... The leaders are smart, well funded...(Fucking Saudis) but the biggest motovating factor is Religous hatred.... They hate the western world and what we are.... How can you compromise with that??
Drivel.

*ding ding* You're an idiot!

The Islamo-fascists hate anything western, including YOU. Yes, they hate YOU. You're not their certain sect of Islam? Then you're fair game in their eyes, buddy. They hate anything and everything to do with western civilization. It goes against everything they would like to think (accepting of other beliefs, for one thing, and basic individual freedoms like those that allow you to say what you wish without fear of retribution by the powers that be). There is no way to rationalize with a completely irrational group of people like them

I just love how you keep on earning that VI.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-04-02 12:52pm

BoredShirtless wrote

Since the drivel I was refering to was theskis post, I've got no idea what you're on about. Oh, and in case it hasn't clicked: theski's thoughts on this are incomplete and worthless. Utter shit from the deepest parts Bill O'Reilly's

Why don't you tell me why they attack the western world then... ???

Come on ... Oh thats right .... Just a troll

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2004-04-02 12:57pm

Nathan F wrote:
BoredShirtless wrote:
theski wrote:Hell, That I agree with.... The leaders are smart, well funded...(Fucking Saudis) but the biggest motovating factor is Religous hatred.... They hate the western world and what we are.... How can you compromise with that??
Drivel.
*ding ding* You're an idiot!

The Islamo-fascists hate anything western, including YOU. Yes, they hate YOU.

Why?

You're not their certain sect of Islam? Then you're fair game in their eyes, buddy. They hate anything and everything to do with western civilization.

Why?

It goes against everything they would like to think (accepting of other beliefs, for one thing, and basic individual freedoms like those that allow you to say what you wish without fear of retribution by the powers that be).

Why?

There is no way to rationalize with a completely irrational group of people like them

Does "vicious cycle" mean anything to you?

I just love how you keep on earning that VI.

And I just love the way you idiots boil down a mammothly complex issue down to "just kill them".

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-04-02 01:01pm

why?

for the same reason fundie christians hate homosexuals. GOD SAYS IT'S BAD!

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2004-04-02 01:03pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:why?

for the same reason fundie christians hate homosexuals. GOD SAYS IT'S BAD!

More drivel, what a surprise.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-04-02 01:09pm

BoredShirtless wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:why?

for the same reason fundie christians hate homosexuals. GOD SAYS IT'S BAD!
More drivel, what a surprise.

drivel? how is that drivel? Are you unable to comprehend the concept of religious or ethnic hatred? I would imagine in Germany of all places there would be quite an effort to educate the people on the dangers of ethnic and religios hatred.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-04-02 01:10pm

BoredShirtless wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:why?

for the same reason fundie christians hate homosexuals. GOD SAYS IT'S BAD!
More drivel, what a surprise.

are you actually expecting there to be a rational explanation as to why fundie terrorists commit acts of terrorism?

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2004-04-02 01:21pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:
BoredShirtless wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:why?

for the same reason fundie christians hate homosexuals. GOD SAYS IT'S BAD!
More drivel, what a surprise.
drivel? how is that drivel? Are you unable to comprehend the concept of religious or ethnic hatred?

I comprehend those concepts fine. You on the other hand don't because you keep ignoring the motives which drive them. It is NOT because God tells them too, I already blasted that on page 1. You are right in saying that their hatred is based on religion; but that doesn't tell us WHY they hate us. They didn't just wake up one morning and go:
WIFE: What will you do today, my love?
MAN: Hate the West?
FUNDDIE BITCH: Yes, if God's willing!
FUNDIE BASTARD: Strap me up honey!

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-04-02 01:40pm

BoredShirtless wrote: I comprehend those concepts fine. You on the other hand don't because you keep ignoring the motives which drive them. It is NOT because God tells them too, I already blasted that on page 1. You are right in saying that their hatred is based on religion; but that doesn't tell us WHY they hate us. They didn't just wake up one morning and go:
WIFE: What will you do today, my love?
MAN: Hate the West?
FUNDDIE BITCH: Yes, if God's willing!
FUNDIE BASTARD: Strap me up honey!

first, you blasted nothing.
second, authoritarian theocratic cultures have little tolerance for loose western values.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2004-04-02 01:46pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:
BoredShirtless wrote: I comprehend those concepts fine. You on the other hand don't because you keep ignoring the motives which drive them. It is NOT because God tells them too, I already blasted that on page 1. You are right in saying that their hatred is based on religion; but that doesn't tell us WHY they hate us. They didn't just wake up one morning and go:
WIFE: What will you do today, my love?
MAN: Hate the West?
FUNDDIE BITCH: Yes, if God's willing!
FUNDIE BASTARD: Strap me up honey!
first, you blasted nothing.

So you dodged that post because?

second, authoritarian theocratic cultures have little tolerance for loose western values.

News flash: theocractic governments like Iran don't grow without food. What fed Iran? If you can answer that, maybe you'll gleen a little insight into Al Queda's conception and birth. My message here is simple and very clear; don't strip this problem off its parts to get to an easy solution ["just kill them"]; just doesn't work like that.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-04-02 01:50pm

BoredShirtless wrote: News flash: theocractic governments like Iran don't grow without food. What fed Iran? If you can answer that, maybe you'll gleen a little insight into Al Queda's conception and birth. My message here is simple and very clear; don't strip this problem off its parts to get to an easy solution ["just kill them"]; just doesn't work like that.

what feeds them? oh permissive, promiscuious cultures, the concept that there are goverbments that exist outside of islamic theocracy... shit like that.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-04-02 01:55pm

How about this for why......

AMMAJ, Yemen — In Dammaj, it can be dangerous to mention America. In this dusty village in northern Yemen, on the edge of the great Arabian desert called the Empty Quarter, it is enough to mention the United States, among the thousands of Islamic militants who teach and study here, to furrow brows, darken voices and set trigger fingers tightening.

Long after the fashion began to fade among the ayatollahs of Iran, the militants of Dammaj still call America "the Great Satan." Though a few American Muslims have come here as talibs, or seekers after Islamic truths, the best advice to other Americans would surely be: stay clear.

Sheik Muqbel says the center, known as Dar al-Hadith, or House of the Prophet's Sayings and Deeds, is strictly a theological school — albeit one that propagates a purist, militant, stridently anti-Western form of Islam known as Salafism, which Arab and Western scholars say is at the core of Mr. bin Laden's beliefs. In effect, Salafism is a still harder-line version of Wahabism, the puritanical form of Islam that Mr. bin Laden absorbed during his formative years in Saudi Arabia.

The essence of Salafism — from the Arab word salaf, meaning ancestor — is that Muslims should shun the corrupt ways of the modern world and return to the austerity and zeal of the Prophet Muhammad, who died nearly 1,400 years ago.

There are no televisions, no newspapers, no music, no women, no education other than study of the Koran and Islam, and no electricity, except for purposes judged essential, such as the loudspeakers and antennas used by Sheik Muqbel. In the sheik's view, the most dangerous enemies of Islam, before the United States and Israel, are Western life and culture — democracy, pluralism, tolerance and any kind of voting.

In a rare interview five months ago with The Yemen Times, an English-language newspaper, he made the point bluntly. "In Islam," he said, "there is nothing such as appreciating the viewpoint of a person if it is against Islamic regulations."

Initially, nobody showed much interest in the strangers moving along narrow alleyways, looking over the high walls of the center at the large, open-air auditorium with a corrugated-iron roof. It is the place the sheik delivers fire-breathing sermons that heap scorn on Christians and Jews, calling them, among other things, "brothers of apes and pigs." Above the center's heavy steel gates, a lone sign proclaimed, "Convert, and God will show you the way."

Small boys on their way to school paused to chat. Ali, an 8-year-old orphan, spoke with passion about Sheik Muqbel, saying that the sheik had given homes to poor people. Older men followed, Libyans and Indonesians, Turks and Malaysians and Yemenis. But when a visitor became too adventurous, asking what the men thought of the United States, the mood changed to anger in a flash.

A Libyan dressed in white robes and a cylindrical black cap identifying him as a talib or religious student, who said his name was Omar and that he was 32 years old, shook his fist and said: "America can't do anything! It's God who commands everything, not America. America is nothing!"

http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/ ... uqbils.htm

Its because they are taught to hate anything that is not Islamic

So Troll, are you going to teach us the reason they hate us if it isn't this??