Bomb Found On Rail Line In Spain

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2004-04-02 02:24pm

Honestly, BS, are you really this incompetent and stupid?

It's not even *fun* debating with you.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-04-02 02:29pm

Wow, Bored Shitless lives up to his name....

I do wonder what the effect would be if we finally got tired of this shit
and launched Operation Judgement Day, and proceeded to drop a nuke on
every islamic city in the world

Seriously, you actually EXPECTED terrorists to keep their word?

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-04-02 02:39pm

MKSheppard wrote:Wow, Bored Shitless lives up to his name....

I do wonder what the effect would be if we finally got tired of this shit
and launched Operation Judgement Day, and proceeded to drop a nuke on
every islamic city in the world

Seriously, you actually EXPECTED terrorists to keep their word?

Hellburners and jellygas baby! Scramble the B-36's!

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2004-04-02 02:40pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:
MKSheppard wrote:Wow, Bored Shitless lives up to his name....

I do wonder what the effect would be if we finally got tired of this shit
and launched Operation Judgement Day, and proceeded to drop a nuke on
every islamic city in the world

Seriously, you actually EXPECTED terrorists to keep their word?
Hellburners and jellygas baby! Scramble the B-36's!

I see you've been reading everyone's favorite WW2 Alt History.

I got dibs on the Texas Lady. :-p

The Third Man · Post by **The Third Man** » 2004-04-02 02:40pm

MKSheppard wrote: drop a nuke on every islamic city in the world

For the purposes of your little operation, how would you define an Islamic city? Just curious.

BoredShirtless, cut to the chase! If you're trying to say that you find Islamic fundamentalism to be insufficient as a sole cause of Islamic hatred for the West, then I am at least partly in agreement. It may be a symptom of the hatred, or a contributing factor, but I don't see it as being the sole cause.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-04-02 02:47pm

The Third Man wrote: For the purposes of your little operation, how would you define an Islamic city? Just curious.

Mecca and Medina, and anything outside Iraq with a majority Islamic population

Now, I must be off to cruise serenely above the
enemy defenses at 52,500 feet.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2004-04-02 02:50pm

If you are going to nuke every Muslim city, then eventually you are going to be forced to execute every practitioner of Islam anyway, so why wait?

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2004-04-02 02:52pm

I think some sarcasm detectors are broken.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-04-02 02:57pm

Well, apparently a lot of muslims want a Holy war to destroy the 'infidels',
blah blah blah...hey to paraphrase Joseph Stalin?: "If they want a holy war, they've got one!"

The Third Man · Post by **The Third Man** » 2004-04-02 03:08pm

MKSheppard wrote: and anything outside Iraq with a majority Islamic population

Just to be absolutely clear here. Are your calculations for majority population based on the whole metropolitan area of a city, or just on the inner city, or what? What if a city has a large Muslim population (say a million) but that isn't enough to represent a majority?

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-04-02 03:32pm

The Third Man wrote: Just to be absolutely clear here. Are your calculations for majority population based on the whole metropolitan area of a city, or just on the inner city, or what? What if a city has a large Muslim population (say a million) but that isn't enough to represent a majority?

That's for the targeteers to decide

I just drop the devices

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-04-02 03:46pm

Where did "The Village Idiot" GO????/

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-04-02 03:47pm

the villagers must have finally put him out of his misery.

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » 2004-04-02 03:52pm

Back on topic, from reading the news in other places it seems that the bombs were very similar to the ones that detonated in the trains, except for the long cable leading from it (the train bombs were connected to cell phones which set them off). Test results are pending.

It would seem that Al Qaida did it if the bombs are the same, but we don't know this yet, and they may only bear a coincidental resemblance. It could still be Basque separatists.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-04-02 03:52pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:the villagers must have finally put him out of his misery.

With a Model 1561, I guess

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-04-02 03:52pm

BS, we are talking about people who view the Koran to be just as holy and infallible as Christian fundies view the Bible. The Koran specifically instructs it's followers to kill or convert at swordpoint all non-Muslims. Think! How does someone react to the statement "Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them" if they believe it is the infallible commandment of God himself?

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-04-02 03:55pm

Mayabird wrote:Back on topic, from reading the news in other places it seems that the bombs were very similar to the ones that detonated in the trains, except for the long cable leading from it (the train bombs were connected to cell phones which set them off). Test results are pending.

It would seem that Al Qaida did it if the bombs are the same, but we don't know this yet, and they may only bear a coincidental resemblance. It could still be Basque separatists.

the thing is thouh, i would imagine the Basques would be a little more logical than the Islamists. They seek secular political changes, not crazy religious ones. You'd think they'd lay off the bombs for a while and let things cool off.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2004-04-02 04:03pm

BoredShirtless wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:why?

for the same reason fundie christians hate homosexuals. GOD SAYS IT'S BAD!
More drivel, what a surprise.

BS, you are the most honest person I've ever met. Nobody else refered to his own posts as "drivel"

Oh wait, you were referring to Crackpot's posts. Nevermind then.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » 2004-04-02 04:06pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:
Mayabird wrote:Back on topic, from reading the news in other places it seems that the bombs were very similar to the ones that detonated in the trains, except for the long cable leading from it (the train bombs were connected to cell phones which set them off). Test results are pending.

It would seem that Al Qaida did it if the bombs are the same, but we don't know this yet, and they may only bear a coincidental resemblance. It could still be Basque separatists.
the thing is thouh, i would imagine the Basques would be a little more logical than the Islamists. They seek secular political changes, not crazy religious ones. You'd think they'd lay off the bombs for a while and let things cool off.

True, but you never know. There might be some crazies who think that faking an attack by Al Qaida might make the government look even worse, and hopefully in the resulting mess they could get their independence. A stretch, I admit, but I was just trying to point out that we're jumping to conclusions by blaming Islamic fundies for everything that happens and we could very well be wrong about it.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-04-02 04:10pm

there's only so many ways you can build a bomb. Maybe both groups used a similar technique to a basic concept and therefore they look alike. Doesn't necessarily mean there's any connection between the two.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-04-02 04:26pm

Look, BS has a point. Saying that the terrorists hate America "because they do" offers us no insight into their motives. Yes, religion is the prime motivating factor. But there are millions of Muslims who do NOT wake up every day and decide to destroy the Great Satan, so what makes these Muslims different? Yes, they are radicals, but why are they radicals? These are the questions which need to answered and simply saying that "they hate us because we're better than them" doesn't help anything.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-04-02 04:31pm

HemlockGrey wrote:

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 3:26 pm Post subject:

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Look, BS has a point. Saying that the terrorists hate America "because they do" offers us no insight into their motives. Yes, religion is the prime motivating factor. But there are millions of Muslims who do NOT wake up every day and decide to destroy the Great Satan, so what makes these Muslims different? Yes, they are radicals, but why are they radicals? These are the questions which need to answered and simply saying that "they hate us because we're better than them" doesn't help anything.

So read this and tell me if religion is not THE motovating factor...

There are no televisions, no newspapers, no music, no women, no education other than study of the Koran and Islam, and no electricity, except for purposes judged essential, such as the loudspeakers and antennas used by Sheik Muqbel. In the sheik's view, the most dangerous enemies of Islam, before the United States and Israel, are Western life and culture — democracy, pluralism, tolerance and any kind of voting.

In a rare interview five months ago with The Yemen Times, an English-language newspaper, he made the point bluntly. "In Islam," he said, "there is nothing such as appreciating the viewpoint of a person if it is against Islamic regulations."

Initially, nobody showed much interest in the strangers moving along narrow alleyways, looking over the high walls of the center at the large, open-air auditorium with a corrugated-iron roof. It is the place the sheik delivers fire-breathing sermons that heap scorn on Christians and Jews, calling them, among other things, "brothers of apes and pigs." Above the center's heavy steel gates, a lone sign proclaimed, "Convert, and God will show you the way."

Small boys on their way to school paused to chat. Ali, an 8-year-old orphan, spoke with passion about Sheik Muqbel, saying that the sheik had given homes to poor people. Older men followed, Libyans and Indonesians, Turks and Malaysians and Yemenis. But when a visitor became too adventurous, asking what the men thought of the United States, the mood changed to anger in a flash.

A Libyan dressed in white robes and a cylindrical black cap identifying him as a talib or religious student, who said his name was Omar and that he was 32 years old, shook his fist and said: "America can't do anything! It's God who commands everything, not America. America is nothing!"

http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/ ... uqbils.htm

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-04-02 04:32pm

HemlockGrey wrote:Look, BS has a point. Saying that the terrorists hate America "because they do" offers us no insight into their motives. Yes, religion is the prime motivating factor. But there are millions of Muslims who do NOT wake up every day and decide to destroy the Great Satan, so what makes these Muslims different? Yes, they are radicals, but why are they radicals? These are the questions which need to answered and simply saying that "they hate us because we're better than them" doesn't help anything.

we aren't saying that hate us because they do. READ THE THREAD.
What we are saying is they hate us because:

we are not muslim
we are not a theocracy
we have an open secular culture
we have 'looser' morals

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-04-02 04:36pm

HemlockGrey wrote:Look, BS has a point. Saying that the terrorists hate America "because they do" offers us no insight into their motives.

No one is saying they hate America "just because they do". The hate America because their holy book tells them to.

Yes, religion is the prime motivating factor. But there are millions of Muslims who do NOT wake up every day and decide to destroy the Great Satan, so what makes these Muslims different? Yes, they are radicals, but why are they radicals?

In every religion, there are fundies and moderates. In my experience, fundies (at least Christian ones) are a product of upbringing, "evangelism", or some profound experience in their lives they attribute to God.

These are the questions which need to answered and simply saying that "they hate us because we're better than them" doesn't help anything.

Did anyone ever suggest that? They hate us because we don't live according to their holy book. Any other excuses they give (ie US troops in Saudi Arabia, US support for Israel) for their actions is mere icing on the cake as far as AQ's ultimate goals are concerned.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-04-02 04:37pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:we aren't saying that hate us because they do. READ THE THREAD. What we are saying is they hate us because:

we are not muslim
we are not a theocracy
we have an open secular culture
we have 'looser' morals

Then why do they hate America most of all the western nations, since America is by far the least secular, most sexually repressive, most theocratic society among western nations?