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US Deports Juvenelles to Mexico

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Valley juveniles upset after deportation to Mexico
Daniel González of The Arizona Republic wrote:Valley juveniles upset after deportation to Mexico

The Arizona Republic
Apr. 3, 2004 12:00 AM

Federal immigration officials rounded up at least eight Phoenix juveniles, some as young as 12, and sent them back to Mexico on Sunday because they could not prove they were living in the United States legally.

The children were separated from their families in Phoenix and dropped at the border in Nogales and sent across to Mexico.

"They just opened a door and said, 'Go,' " one of the juveniles said Friday, three days after he returned to Phoenix using his school ID to cross the border.

The youth, who declined to give his name during a news conference at Ocotillo High School on Friday, said at least six of the juveniles sent back to Mexico remain there and had sought out friends and family to stay with.

Police and immigration officials portrayed the juveniles as gang members who were found congregating outside a house party on Kings Avenue in northeast Phoenix last Saturday night.

Russell Ahr, a spokesman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Phoenix, said federal immigration officials detained 16 juveniles last Saturday night after an enforcement agent on patrol with a member of a violent-gang task force encountered a large group of juveniles outside a house party in the Palomino neighborhood of northeast Phoenix. The area is home to a large Mexican immigrant community.

Ahr said eight or nine of the youths were held overnight in a detention center in Tucson and then sent back to Mexico on Sunday afternoon because they could not prove they were in the United States legally.

Federal authorities declined to identify the juveniles, and the two students sent back to Mexico who attended Friday's news conference said they would not give their names for fear they would be sent back again.

The juveniles said they were asked to provide their names and telephone numbers and then transported in an immigration van to a detention center on Central Avenue in Phoenix. They said immigration officials at the center allowed them to call their parents, then they were transferred to the Border Patrol station in Tucson.

Ahr said the agency sends back to Mexico undocumented minors who refuse to identify their parents, but he did not know if immigration authorities contacted their parents.

The two 13-year-old youths sent back to Mexico said their parents arranged for friends in Nogales to meet them at the border. But they said some of the juveniles knew no one there.

Parents of two juveniles sent back to Mexico declined to discuss the incident Friday.

Ahr said officials from the Mexican Consulate in Phoenix interviewed the juveniles while they were in detention.

He defended immigration officials' decision to send the youths to Mexico, saying they "asked for voluntary return to Mexico."

He said an official from the Mexican consular office in Nogales met the juveniles at the border and escorted them to Mexico.

Four or five other youths - Ahr could not provide the exact number - were given notices to appear in federal Immigration Court to face deportation proceedings. Ahr did not know why some of the youths were ordered to appear in court rather than being sent to Mexico like the others.

Three of the 16 juveniles were released that night after their parents brought documents proving they were U.S. citizens, Ahr said.

A parent and a school counselor expressed outrage Friday that the juveniles were separated from their parents and sent to Mexico.

"What would have happened if these kids had been killed (in Mexico)? These kids are not responsible for their parents to bring them here. They are not adults," said Jose Luis Rodriguez, a counselor at Greenway Middle School in the Paradise Valley School District. At least three of the students attended his school. Four more attended Paradise Valley High School. Two others attended North Canyon High School and Ocotillo Charter High School, he said.

Rodriguez said he believes the youths were targeted because they are Latinos. He plans to ask the League of United Latin American Citizens, a national civil rights organization, to demand an investigation into the incident.

"This is just racial profiling and harassment. That's what it is," he said.

Esteban Fierro, 13, a seventh-grader at Greenway Middle School, said immigration officials detained him even though he is a U.S. citizen.

Fierro said immigration officials released him about 3 a.m. Sunday after a cousin brought his birth certificate to the detention center on Central Avenue in Phoenix.

The boy's mother said her son's rights were violated.

"He's an American citizen. There is no reason he should have been detained," said Maria, who asked that her last name not be published.

Ahr said officials took pictures of the youths "flashing their gang signs."

Fierro and two 13-year-olds who were sent to Mexico and are back in Phoenix admitted Friday that they flashed gang signs but said they did so only after police and immigration officials directed them to.
This seems pretty messed up to me. Parts of it seem like Born In East L.A. but then I've also got to wonder at how bright some of these kids are. It sounds like all they had to do was prove that they were legally in the US. If they couldn't call their parents because their parents were here illegally, oh well. If they were just being obstinant with the authorities about not calling then maybe the trip to Mexico and back will get them cooperate a little better next time.

I like the complaints about profiling though. Yes it would be irritating if it were me and I was here legally but damn. When a certain group of people fitting a certain problematic profile, racial or otherwise, you have to expect that if you fit that profile the authorities are going to be looking at you more closely than someone who doesn't fit that profile.
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In all fairness, if I had to prove my citizenship right this instant, it would be a bit of a hassle. I have my birth certificate, but it's stuck away somewhere, and I'm sure that lots of families don't keep copies of their kids birth certificates. Of course, I could pull out my Social Security card, but most kids don't carry SS cards on them, and again, I bet a lot of families don't keep their children's SS cards. It really isn't much of a stretch to imagine that a bunch of kids might not be able to prove their citizenship right away. Set a court date, sure that's fine, but to give take them back right away because they couldn't produce papers on demand, that's a little frightening to me.
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Johonebesus wrote:but to give take them back right away because they couldn't produce papers on demand, that's a little frightening to me.
They were allowed to contact their parents after being asked, so presumably they would have asked them for anything they needed and been deported if they couldn't provide them.

There's still a good bit unlear about the specifics of this.
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The article seemed to indicate that the kids were picked up, given a chance to call home, and that same night hauled back to Mexico. Even in a few hours it could be difficult to prove you are a citizen, especially native. Like I said, a lot of parents probably don't keep copies of birth certificates or SS cards, so it might not be possible to come up with proof even in a couple of hours.
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Sharp-kun, you really are on a roll tonight, aren't you? Why don't you try and fucking find out something about the principles the Western legal and justice systems are built on before you open your mouth about them? Because you obviously don't know jack shit about them, or about a certain thing called due process.

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Edi wrote:Sharp-kun, you really are on a roll tonight, aren't you? Why don't you try and fucking find out something about the principles the Western legal and justice systems are built on before you open your mouth about them? Because you obviously don't know jack shit about them, or about a certain thing called due process.

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Where have I said anything that what has happened was acceptable?

The answer is that I haven't, so I'll just ask you to kindly shut the fuck up. :)
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Johonebesus wrote:In all fairness, if I had to prove my citizenship right this instant, it would be a bit of a hassle. I have my birth certificate, but it's stuck away somewhere, and I'm sure that lots of families don't keep copies of their kids birth certificates. Of course, I could pull out my Social Security card, but most kids don't carry SS cards on them, and again, I bet a lot of families don't keep their children's SS cards. It really isn't much of a stretch to imagine that a bunch of kids might not be able to prove their citizenship right away. Set a court date, sure that's fine, but to give take them back right away because they couldn't produce papers on demand, that's a little frightening to me.
You make some good points. I think that Arizona requires birth certificates when children initially register for school, but that doesn't mean the parents would be able to find them on short notice.

I got the impression that the kids who got deported wouldn't or couldn't call their parents, or in some cases the parents really wouldn't come down to get them because they were afraid of being deported as well. I hope nabbing the parents wasn't part of the reason behind this excercise.

For whatever reason it's still messed up that they deported them so quickly. Phoenix isn't exactly right on the Mexican border. They had to send them hundreds of miles to do this. I would have thought that in the case of minors they would have erred a bit more on the side of caution instead of just dumping a bunch of kids in Mexico.

I am kind of surprised that the kid who had a school ID was deported. I would have thought they would have given him the benefit of the doubt with that, but then I really have a sneaking suspicion that the kids who were deported were either uncooperative or belligerant. Either that or the agents involved were reall assholes. Maybe it's a bit of both.
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