Can someone tell me how I didn't know this one was coming and more importantly did anyone here know the Koran denied the crucifiction ever happened?!Gibson's 'The Passion' a Hit Among Arabs
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By NADIA ABOU EL-MAGD, Associated Press Writer
CAIRO, Egypt - Hanan Nsour, a veiled, 21-year-old Muslim in Jordan, came out of "The Passion of the Christ" in tears and pronounced her verdict: Mel Gibson (news)'s crucifixion epic "unmasked the Jews' lies and I hope that everybody, everywhere, turns against the Jews."
The Quran, though, says Jesus's crucifixion never happened.
Such are the contradictions that are welling up as the Arab world deals with "The Passion," even as the film draws large audiences in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and other Arab countries that have approved it for screening.
In the Arab world, openly voiced anti-Semitism — and by extension the warm reception for "The Passion" — is bound up in the Arab conflict with Israel. Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat (news - web sites), after watching the film at his compound in the West Bank, was quoted by an aide as likening Jesus' suffering to the Palestinians'.
When the 1998 animated movie "Prince of Egypt" reached Cairo, censors banned it. One reason given: Islam reveres Moses as a prophet, and many Muslims recoil at seeing their prophets portrayed as flesh-and-blood characters.
Jesus is also a prophet to the Muslims, yet "The Passion" was OK'd by Egypt's censors with no changes. They have not explained why "The Passion" was allowed.
Governments and Islamic clerics are also sending mixed signals.
Kuwait bans any movies depicting any of the prophets recognized by Islam, but one of its top Shiite clerics, Ayatollah Mohammed Baqer al-Mehri, has urged an exception for "The Passion" because it "reveals crimes committed by Jews against Christ." The government has not yet made a decision on his call.
The dean of Kuwait University's Islamic Law College, Mohammed al-Tabtabai, has ordered Muslims to shun "The Passion" on the grounds that Jesus is a prophet.
In Jordan, a leader of the hard-line Islamic Action Front says Muslims should read the Quran or pray instead of watching movies, but he doesn't mind "The Passion" being screened in his country.
"The Jews are the most upset with the movie because it reveals their crimes against the prophets, the reformers and whoever contradicts their opinions," Hamza Mansoor said.
And in Egypt, the head of a department at Al-Azhar University that often advises the censors on these matters also is taking a hands-off approach.
"My understanding is that it is about the last 12 hours in the life of the Christ, which involve Christians and Jews. Muslims have nothing to do with that," said Sheik Abdel Zaher Mohammed Abdel-Razeq.
The Quran, Islam's holy book, is unequivocal in sura (chapter) 4, verse 157: "They said 'We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah' — but they killed him not, nor crucified him. But so it was made to appear to them. And those who differ therein are full of doubts with no knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not."
Muslims believe another man was crucified in Jesus's place.
Many in the West accuse director Gibson of reviving the Jews-killed-Christ claim that has stoked anti-Semitism through the ages.
"The Passion" is also being welcomed by the Middle East's Christian communities. Some Egyptian churches and Christian bookshops were selling pirated versions of "The Passion" for less than a dollar even before the film opened here.
In the United Arab Emirates, a Gulf News editorial extolled the film for being "so close to the human condition in its depiction of betrayal, greed, falsehood, forgiveness and love. As Pope John Paul (news - web sites) II has put it, `It is as it was!'"
The Vatican (news - web sites) denies the pope ever endorsed the movie with those words, and kept out of the controversy. But Cardinal Nasrallah Sfeir, head of the Maronite church in Lebanon, waded right in.
"It is not exaggerated and portrays reality as it is. It is a very sad film and we did not feel there was any anti-Semitism there," Sfeir told reporters after watching the film at a private screening.
Part of the film is spoken in Aramaic, an ancient language still spoken by a small minority in Syria.
Salim Abraham, 37, a Christian journalist who speaks fluent Aramaic, said: "I was so very happy to see my language, for the first time ever, being spoken on the big screen and in such a powerful movie."
"I think there is nothing anti-Semitic in it," Abraham added. "It gives the facts as they are, though they may be slightly exaggerated in some instances."
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I haven't seen this movie and hadn't planned to, but now I'm thinking about it to see if all these claims of anti-Semitism are really genuine.
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Here's my take on that: If you consider Schindler's List to be anti-Aryan, then you MUST maintain logical consistency and believe that "Passion..." is anti-Semitic. However, if you don't feel Schindler's List was anti-Aryan, then I am hard-pressed to think of an argument that would allow for "Passion..." to be anti-Semitic. The fact of the matter is that "Passion..." follows the gospels very closely, and Schindler's List follows history fairly well. I hardly find it fair to blame a movie for racial or class issues that significantly influenced the work that it portrays.Joe wrote:[Cartman]Mel Gibson was right, Kyle. Mel Gibson was right.[/Cartman]
I haven't seen this movie and hadn't planned to, but now I'm thinking about it to see if all these claims of anti-Semitism are really genuine.
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I swear, this has got to be one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. "Jesus is a prophet, so it's against the law to portray him in flesh and blood." And people wonder why I think religion is bullshit.
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Once again Durandal loves to create a huge sweeping generalization based on a single religion. Color me unsurprised.
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Yeah, like other religions don't have similarly absurd beliefs.Howedar wrote:Once again Durandal loves to create a huge sweeping generalization based on a single religion. Color me unsurprised.
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Care to back up your smart-ass implications by pointing out a major world religion whose beliefs are NOT absurd?Howedar wrote:The man's on a roll!
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I think it's well funny that the mideast muslims can't quite decide whether it's against the jews enough for them to like it, or against the qu'ran enough for them to shun it. What a divine comedy, all round.
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Its because they fear that they will start worshiping the images of the Prophets rather than following their example and worshiping only Allah. (Note that I don't give any justification or condemnation; I'm just telling you what I understand to be the reason for the law.)Durandal wrote:I swear, this has got to be one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. "Jesus is a prophet, so it's against the law to portray him in flesh and blood." And people wonder why I think religion is bullshit.
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No, because I don't know of any whose beliefs make logical sense. However, that has nothing to do with Durandal's original comment, that being the use of a single law in several Muslim countries in order to discredit all religion everywhere.Darth Wong wrote:Care to back up your smart-ass implications by pointing out a major world religion whose beliefs are NOT absurd?Howedar wrote:The man's on a roll!
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That's what we call an example, you fucking idiot. It's an example of the overall absurdity that is religion. After saying that "We know a lot of Muslims were happy about 9/11" because we saw Palestinians dancing in the streets, you've got a lot of balls to accuse me of hasty generalizations.Howedar wrote:No, because I don't know of any whose beliefs make logical sense. However, that has nothing to do with Durandal's original comment, that being the use of a single law in several Muslim countries in order to discredit all religion everywhere.
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I reiterate my previous statement in light of this "justification." No offense toward you intended.Rogue 9 wrote:Its because they fear that they will start worshiping the images of the Prophets rather than following their example and worshiping only Allah. (Note that I don't give any justification or condemnation; I'm just telling you what I understand to be the reason for the law.)Durandal wrote:I swear, this has got to be one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. "Jesus is a prophet, so it's against the law to portray him in flesh and blood." And people wonder why I think religion is bullshit.
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You've got a lot of missing brain cells to not understand how "a lot" is different from "all".Durandal wrote:That's what we call an example, you fucking idiot. It's an example of the overall absurdity that is religion. After saying that "We know a lot of Muslims were happy about 9/11" because we saw Palestinians dancing in the streets, you've got a lot of balls to accuse me of hasty generalizations.
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"A lot" implies a significant amount, you blithering idiot. You're making conclusions about a significant portion of the Muslim population based on footage you saw of a few dozen.Howedar wrote:You've got a lot of missing brain cells to not understand how "a lot" is different from "all".Durandal wrote:That's what we call an example, you fucking idiot. It's an example of the overall absurdity that is religion. After saying that "We know a lot of Muslims were happy about 9/11" because we saw Palestinians dancing in the streets, you've got a lot of balls to accuse me of hasty generalizations.
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This is boiling down to semantic silliness, but www.m-w.com has " a number of associated persons" as one of about eight definitions (some applying to casting lots and such).
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Try definition number 7: a considerable quantity or extent.Howedar wrote:This is boiling down to semantic silliness, but www.m-w.com has " a number of associated persons" as one of about eight definitions (some applying to casting lots and such).
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Well I was using a different definition
Honestly this is pretty silly. I am bothered by your continued generalizations about different religions based on one. If you want to say that these laws seem representative of different religious idiocy, say so.
Honestly this is pretty silly. I am bothered by your continued generalizations about different religions based on one. If you want to say that these laws seem representative of different religious idiocy, say so.
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Care to explain why saying that all religions are irrational bullshit and using this as an example is a "hasty generalization"? Maybe next, you'll attack me for using Santa Claus as an example of why I don't believe in childhood fairy tales.Howedar wrote:Well I was using a different definition
Honestly this is pretty silly. I am bothered by your continued generalizations about different religions based on one. If you want to say that these laws seem representative of different religious idiocy, say so.
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It is unislamic to create images of prophets. For this reason no images of Muhammed (SM) exists.Durandal wrote:I swear, this has got to be one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. "Jesus is a prophet, so it's against the law to portray him in flesh and blood." And people wonder why I think religion is bullshit.
According to the Koran Isa (arabic for Jeusus) was lifted by Allah and replaced by a decoy. The decoy was killed while Isa was safely in the heavensCan someone tell me how I didn't know this one was coming and more importantly did anyone here know the Koran denied the crucifiction ever happened?!
It is prophesised in the holy Koran that Isa would return one day and join with Imam Mehedi. Togather they would kill the Dazzal(sort of like an anti-christ).
I have to tell you something everything I wrote above is a lie.