Rwanda - 10 years later

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2004-04-07 03:53am

Today 10 years ago marks the start of the Rwanda genocide, where nearly a MILLION people were killed. Most of them were clubbed and hacked to death. The rate of the genocide was around 5 times faster then the Nazi's. Where was the UN? Disgusting.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-04-07 03:57am

Somalia left people with a bad taste in their mouths about humanitarian peacekeeping missions.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2004-04-07 04:12am

IIRC, corpses flowing downriver into Burundi were the first news people there had of what was going on.

CJvR · Post by **CJvR** » 2004-04-07 04:18am

Frank Hipper wrote:IIRC, corpses flowing downriver into Burundi were the first news people there had of what was going on.

Not quite - it was the first news that couldn't be ignored.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-04-07 04:24am

Lets hope that a genocide like Rwanda will not occur again.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2004-04-07 04:57am

CJvR wrote:
Frank Hipper wrote:IIRC, corpses flowing downriver into Burundi were the first news people there had of what was going on.
Not quite - it was the first news that couldn't be ignored.

Well, I certainly couldn't ignore it, nor can I forget seeing the video footage of it; a bloated corpse coming over a muddy waterfall at the rate of about one per every minute or so...

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2004-04-07 05:34am

I believe the Rwandan president has already blamed the international community for not stopping them from killing each other.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-04-07 08:50am

Gosh.. No one has turned this into a Clinton bash yet...

*Thinks about it.....* nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-04-07 08:58am

there exists no better example of the uselessness of the United Nations. The very things it was created to prevent, War and Genocide, continue unhindered. But fear not! With Libya chairing the commitee on Human rights abuses there is hope.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-04-07 09:53am

10 years after i'm still wondering what was the point in sending soldiers there if you tell them not to intervene,and let retards kill unarmed babies.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-04-07 09:57am

Montcalm wrote:10 years after i'm still wondering what was the point in sending soldiers there if you tell them not to intervene,and let retards kill unarmed babies.

yeah, the UN would have had peacekeepers standing around scratching their asses while the genocide raged.

[Pantload UN Diplomat] Negotiate with the govenment allegedly commiting the supposed acts which might involve violence firse. If the alleged proscribed activity continues, we'll send some diplomats on a fact finding mission and we'll discuss the matter at the next meeting of the security council [Pantload UN Diplomat]

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-04-07 10:26am

So much for "never again," eh?

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2004-04-07 10:36am

All hail the infallible UN!

Honestly, I know that I'm stating the obvious, but why didn't the world take some initiative without the UN? Are we so afraid to step into something without UN approval that we won't do it to stop a genocide, or does the world just not give a hoot?

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-04-07 10:51am

Nathan F wrote:All hail the infallible UN!

Honestly, I know that I'm stating the obvious, but why didn't the world take some initiative without the UN? Are we so afraid to step into something without UN approval that we won't do it to stop a genocide, or does the world just not give a hoot?

I don't think it had as much to do with being afraid to get involved without UN support as much as it was frankly not many nations truly gave a shit. Sure there was a lot of hand wringing and the media's special reports from Rwanda but no one lifted a finger. It was one of the more blatant displays of national self interest being the driving force for many nations.

It was sickening and cold but there must also be something to be said for the Rwandan president to say that no one stepped in to stop us from killing each other. I didn't realize Rwandans were children that needed a parent to step in and stop them from quareeling. Instead of casting blame to outside poiwers look within yourselves and say "What the FUCK is inside of us that made us do this to each other?!" This is like the serial killer lamenting the cops from not stopping him in time.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2004-04-07 11:09am

Stravo wrote:
Nathan F wrote:All hail the infallible UN!

Honestly, I know that I'm stating the obvious, but why didn't the world take some initiative without the UN? Are we so afraid to step into something without UN approval that we won't do it to stop a genocide, or does the world just not give a hoot?
I don't think it had as much to do with being afraid to get involved without UN support as much as it was frankly not many nations truly gave a shit. Sure there was a lot of hand wringing and the media's special reports from Rwanda but no one lifted a finger. It was one of the more blatant displays of national self interest being the driving force for many nations.

It was sickening and cold but there must also be something to be said for the Rwandan president to say that no one stepped in to stop us from killing each other. I didn't realize Rwandans were children that needed a parent to step in and stop them from quareeling.

You fucking dumbass, using your logic the Jews in Nazi Germany should have fended for themselves. Do you even know what the fuck you're commenting on?

Instead of casting blame to outside poiwers look within yourselves and say "What the FUCK is inside of us that made us do this to each other?!"

Do it to each other? You're suggesting it was a two way street; it wasn't it was a one way genocide.

This is like the serial killer lamenting the cops from not stopping him in time.

Wrong. A serial killer is 100% capable of stopping himself, the Tutsis obviously didn't have that power over the Hutus.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-04-07 11:25am

BS.... wha? Do you...

The Village Idiot wrote:You fucking dumbass, using your logic the Jews in Nazi Germany should have fended for themselves. Do you even know what the fuck you're commenting on?

where is that logic? 'cause i don't see it in stravo's post.

VI wrote:Do it to each other? You're suggesting it was a two way street; it wasn't it was a one way genocide.

Stravo didn't say that. The goddamned Rwandans did. pay attention!

VI wrote:Wrong. A serial killer is 100% capable of stopping himself, the Tutsis obviously didn't have that power over the Hutus.

Serial Killers cannot stop killing, that is why they are called serial killers...but it's moot because this has nothing to do with the post.

are you babelfish-ing this shit back and forth into english and german or are you just stupid?

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-04-07 12:16pm

Montcalm wrote:10 years after i'm still wondering what was the point in sending soldiers there if you tell them not to intervene,and let retards kill unarmed babies.

Of course, there were no soldiers there. Merely UN aid workers, which were pulled out immediately.While the Red Cross stayed behind.
Now, Bosnia, that's a valid accusation. UN peacekeepers did nothing more than stand around and count casualties, as they were forbidden, and certainly unable to engage the Serbs massacre.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-04-07 12:16pm

BoredShirtless wrote: Wrong. A serial killer is 100% capable of stopping himself, the Tutsis obviously didn't have that power over the Hutus.

A tutsi army drove out the Hutu.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2004-04-07 01:12pm

PainRack wrote:
BoredShirtless wrote: Wrong. A serial killer is 100% capable of stopping himself, the Tutsis obviously didn't have that power over the Hutus.
A tutsi army drove out the Hutu.

That was after the genocide.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2004-04-07 01:41pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:
Bored Shitless with crackpots cracked mind wrote:You fucking dumbass, using your logic the Jews in Nazi Germany should have fended for themselves. Do you even know what the fuck you're commenting on?

where is that logic? 'cause i don't see it in stravo's post.

The Jews couldn't stop their own getting killed in a systematic genocide, same thing with the Tutsis. Stravo's post advocated "sort your own shit out", but is that appropriate for victimcs who can't fight back? Comprende, you heartless clown?

Bored Shitless with idiots wrote:Do it to each other? You're suggesting it was a two way street; it wasn't it was a one way genocide.
Stravo didn't say that. The goddamned Rwandans did. pay attention!

Did you even read his post? "What the FUCK is inside of us that made us do this to each other?!" It wasn't "too each other" you moron, it was "to the Tutsis". Can you see the difference? The former suggests there was some sort of fight, when in reality it was A MASSACRE!

Crackpot wrote:
BoredShitless wrote:Wrong. A serial killer is 100% capable of stopping himself, the Tutsis obviously didn't have that power over the Hutus.
Serial Killers cannot stop killing, that is why they are called serial killers...but it's moot because this has nothing to do with the post.

Yes it does because it destroys Stravo's analogy. I've gotta go to the shops so you'll just have to look for yourself, try not to hurt yourself.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2004-04-07 01:50pm

Crackpot wrote:
BoredShitless wrote:Wrong. A serial killer is 100% capable of stopping himself, the Tutsis obviously didn't have that power over the Hutus.
Serial Killers cannot stop killing, that is why they are called serial killers...but it's moot because this has nothing to do with the post.

Yes it does because it destroys Stravo's analogy. I've gotta go to the shops so you'll just have to look for yourself, try not to hurt yourself.[/quote]

I'm a moron, your little tidbit about serial killers doesn't have anything to do with the post, I agree.

Korvan · Post by **Korvan** » 2004-04-07 01:59pm

This timeline gives a pretty clear picture as to what happened. The UN looks like it was unprepared for such an event and it seems everyone wanted to pretend that it wasn't as bad as it was (since declaring it a genocide would have meant that they had to intervene immediatly). No-one wanted to take responsibility or even foot the bill.

That being said, I'm not sure that even if we had acted right away, by the time enough troops could've been organized and deployed, most of the killing would've been done already. Maybe the UN needs its own dedicated forces on standby that can react to this kind of thing, but I know the US (and many others) would never allow the UN to have it's own army.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-04-07 06:19pm

But don't worry folks, because there's a new religion growing in Rwanda that will without a doubt usher in an era of unprecedented peace and prosperity for the country.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-04-07 09:10pm

Ah nuts.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-04-07 09:30pm

It seems that every country in Africa will be Islamised.