i've been hearing alot about impeaching bush lately

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2004-04-07 08:38am

http://www.votetoimpeach.org/

and found this site....

http://www.votetoimpeach.org/articles_rc.htm

Containing those articles of impeachment.

Is there a movement I'm not aware of to impeach Bush? Are there grounds to actually impeach him? (Which would be moot since Kerry is going to stompify him)

It makes sense, I suppose. Clinton was impeached for FAR less than Bush's transgressions of the last 4 years...VLWC signing off.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-04-07 08:49am

Chardok wrote

(Which would be moot since Kerry is going to stompify him)

*Giggle* *Bursts out laughing*

RWAD signing off

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-04-07 08:53am

Chardok wrote:http://www.votetoimpeach.org/

and found this site....

http://www.votetoimpeach.org/articles_rc.htm

Containing those articles of impeachment.

Is there a movement I'm not aware of to impeach Bush? Are there grounds to actually impeach him? (Which would be moot since Kerry is going to stompify him)

It makes sense, I suppose. Clinton was impeached for FAR less than Bush's transgressions of the last 4 years...VLWC signing off.

tin foil nutters on both sides talk about impeaching every President. doesn't mean it will go anywhere. Besides, there is a Republican controlled Senate and House. Do you honestly think Henry Hyde (the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee) will allow the committe he chairs, the committe responsible for bringing articles of impeachment to the house floor, to issue articles of impeachment? i think not.

Bob McDob · Post by **Bob McDob** » 2004-04-07 09:02am

Besides, it wouldn't look good to impeach two presidents in a row.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-04-07 09:49am

Either Kerry will win the elections or GWB Rat Squad will rig it so he'll get a second term.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2004-04-07 09:56am

He may not get impeached, but what about getting slammed with a post-Office lawsuit filed by the Americans who had lost their loved ones in Iraq? Dragging him kicking and screaming to the International Court, while a sweet dream, would be a no hoper.

Vohu Manah · Post by **Vohu Manah** » 2004-04-07 11:39am

Even if you felt that anything Bush did was illegal, he'll never have to defend himself in any "court." The only two Presidents ever impeached were found not guilty on largely party-line votes. The one President who would likely have been found guilty resigned before the ink on the pages dried.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-04-07 11:43am

Vohu Manah wrote:Even if you felt that anything Bush did was illegal, he'll never have to defend himself in any "court." The only two Presidents ever impeached were found not guilty on largely party-line votes. The one President who would likely have been found guilty resigned before the ink on the pages dried.

and really, what Nixon did to get impeached wasn't very much in the grand scheme of things. 3,000,000 dead Vietnamese and 58,000 dead GI's: not an impeachable offense. Stealing some paperwork from a hotel: impeachable. go figure.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-04-07 12:03pm

1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law;
carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting
in the death and maiming of tens of thousands of Iraqis, and hundreds of U.S. G.I.s.

Meh, this one is subjective. The War Powers Act was signed in '73, way before Bush Jr. took office.

The act requires the president to inform Congress within forty-eight hours of military action in a hostile area. Forces must be removed within sixty to ninety days unless Congress approves of the action or declares war.

And Congress did sign off on it so....hell, even Kerry signed off on it.

2) Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war.

Well, even I am comming around to this side myself but there is still a question of what was a lie and what was just wrong information. Besides, do we really want to start impeaching every President that lies?

3) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and
locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable.

I'd like to see his proof on the 'ordering attacks on civilians'. As for 'civilian facilities' and 'locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable',

Welcome to war, killer.

4) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently changing its
government by force and assaulting Iraq in a war of aggression.

He's streching for shit to fill up his Impeachment aritcle, now.

4) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret
and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of
prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and
individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents
elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments
to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

Ahahahahahahahah. Oh, I can't go on. Its too funny.

There are some honest points in there but if they rise to the level of Impeachment? Hmmm, well........Guess it makes more sence with a tinfoil hat on.[/quote]

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2004-04-07 12:19pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:
Vohu Manah wrote:Even if you felt that anything Bush did was illegal, he'll never have to defend himself in any "court." The only two Presidents ever impeached were found not guilty on largely party-line votes. The one President who would likely have been found guilty resigned before the ink on the pages dried.
and really, what Nixon did to get impeached wasn't very much in the grand scheme of things. 3,000,000 dead Vietnamese and 58,000 dead GI's: not an impeachable offense. Stealing some paperwork from a hotel: impeachable. go figure.

That's sarcasm, right?

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-04-07 12:24pm

theski wrote:
theski wrote:(Which would be moot since Kerry is going to stompify him)
*Giggle* *Bursts out laughing*

RWAD signing off

Yeah, it's funny because we've got assholes like you who are going to vote to keep that piece of shit in office.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-07 12:32pm

BoredShirtless wrote:He may not get impeached, but what about getting slammed with a post-Office lawsuit filed by the Americans who had lost their loved ones in Iraq? Dragging him kicking and screaming to the International Court, while a sweet dream, would be a no hoper.

Tried for Iraq? The President is Commander in Chief of the armed forces of the United States. He had full authority to issue the orders he did; you can't impeach him for acts that he has every right to perform whether you like them or not.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-04-07 12:34pm

Durandal wrote

Yeah, it's funny because we've got assholes like you who are going to vote to keep that piece of shit in office

Yep and we have have Assholes like you, who will vote for Kerry... Guess that makes it even.. I'm so glad that your superior intelect will show the rest of us the error of our ways....

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-04-07 12:40pm

theski wrote:
Yep and we have have Assholes like you, who will vote for Kerry

And how does voting for Kerry make him an asshole?

... Guess that makes it even.. I'm so glad that your superior intelect will show the rest of us the error of our ways....

You hardly need that much of a superior intellect to vote against a fundamentalist religious idiot, but your Republican-zombie switch must be set to the "ON" position.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-04-07 12:46pm

Vympel wrote

And how does voting for Kerry make him an asshole

Just returning the favor... How does Voting for Bush make me an asshole... or is that your knee jerk defense of Durandal

You hardly need that much of a superior intellect to vote against a fundamentalist religious idiot, but your Republican-zombie switch must be set to the "ON" position.

Yep.. I guess it is.... I'll remind the other %50 of the population of that theirs is on to...

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-04-07 12:53pm

theski wrote:
Just returning the favor... How does Voting for Bush make me an asshole... or is that your knee jerk defense of Durandal

Go read a thread about a War on Porn, for fuck's sake. Or gay marriage. Or you approve of that shit? Do you really think that anyone who cares to can't come up with a laundry list of reasons why Bush is a complete fucking dumbass?

Yep.. I guess it is.... I'll remind the other %50 of the population of that theirs is on to...

You should, considering the insane amount of Americans who are ignorant about basic things like evolution and the creation of the universe, those same people WOULD be stupid enough to jerk their knees and vote for another four years of one of the most appalling presidencies in recent history. You walked RIGHT into that one, btw.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-04-07 12:58pm

Tried for Iraq? The President is Commander in Chief of the armed forces of the United States. He had full authority to issue the orders he did; you can't impeach him for acts that he has every right to perform whether you like them or not.

Lying, perhaps?

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-04-07 01:02pm

Alright, theski, if you're not a Republi-zombie, then defend Bush. Write a compelling case for voting for him, and write it for a disillusioned Republican like me or Joe or ColCrackpot (in other words, a 20 page essay on why Kerry sucks won't cover it--we're all already aware of Kerry's suckitude, and at least I'm no longer convinced he's the greater of two evils).

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-04-07 01:04pm

Durandal wrote: Yeah, it's funny because we've got assholes like you who are going to vote to keep that piece of shit in office.

Don't forget me! The first time I'm voting in my life it's to
re-elect W! I mean, seriously, I'd rather have anyone than
John F'ing Kerry in the white house.

As it is, Kerry's actions during vietnam and his subsequent senate
record have caused me to rethink a lot about Clinton.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-07 01:09pm

HemlockGrey wrote:
Tried for Iraq? The President is Commander in Chief of the armed forces of the United States. He had full authority to issue the orders he did; you can't impeach him for acts that he has every right to perform whether you like them or not.
Lying, perhaps?

Perhaps, but not sending the troops. He had every right to do that whether you care for the action or not, and "I don't like him" is not grounds for impeachment.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-04-07 01:14pm

Red wrote

Alright, theski, if you're not a Republi-zombie, then defend Bush. Write a compelling case for voting for him, and write it for a disillusioned Republican like me or Joe or ColCrackpot

Sorry guys... I can't do it for anyone other than myself.. We all have to make up our own minds... Vote for Kerry if you want...

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2004-04-07 01:16pm

theski wrote:Red wrote
Alright, theski, if you're not a Republi-zombie, then defend Bush. Write a compelling case for voting for him, and write it for a disillusioned Republican like me or Joe or ColCrackpot
Sorry guys... I can't do it for anyone other than myself.. We all have to make up our own minds... Vote for Kerry if you want...

Translation :-
"I really am a fucking zombie, I have no reason."

Good for you.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-04-07 01:22pm

theski wrote:Red wrote
Alright, theski, if you're not a Republi-zombie, then defend Bush. Write a compelling case for voting for him, and write it for a disillusioned Republican like me or Joe or ColCrackpot
Sorry guys... I can't do it for anyone other than myself.. We all have to make up our own minds... Vote for Kerry if you want...

You have officially ceded your right to complain the next time someone calls you a Bush zombie. You merrily defend Bush at every turn but you're incapable of making an actual case for voting for him--and you're going to vote for him anyway, despite the volume of criticism leveled at him which you're unable to address.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-04-07 01:24pm

Vympel wrote

Do you really think that anyone who cares to can't come up with a laundry list of reasons why Bush is a complete fucking dumbass?

Thats not what this is about... Its about Durandal calling me a asshole for voting for Bush.. I disagree with Bush on Porn, I am a Fallen away Catholic so no Fundie for me... and on the Perscription drug bill and the immigration bill... but saying all that I still would vote for W before Kerry

You should, considering the insane amount of Americans who are ignorant about basic things like evolution and the creation of the universe, those same people WOULD be stupid enough to jerk their knees and vote for another four years of one of the most appalling presidencies in recent history. You walked RIGHT into that one, btw.

You vote for whoever runs Downunder and I will vote the way I feel here....

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-04-07 01:26pm

theski wrote:Just returning the favor... How does Voting for Bush make me an asshole... or is that your knee jerk defense of Durandal

Go read the "War on Porn" thread. Do you actually like the idea of diverting resources away from fighting terrorism to ... busting perfectly legitimate pornography distributors? If that doesn't open your eyes, how about Bush's tirade against gay marriage? Or his reckless spending on nation building? Or the failure of the economy to rebound like he and his cronies have been promising? Any of this ringing a bell?

Failing that, look at Iraq. That place is rapidly turning into a far larger clusterfuck than I could've ever imagined, and I (unlike the Bush administration) wasn't naive enough to actually think we'd be "welcomed as liberators." Our soldiers are being used as police officers, and more are dying each day, and for what? To give these people freedom? They don't want us there.

Yep.. I guess it is.... I'll remind the other %50 of the population of that theirs is on to...

That figures, since Gallup polls show that about 50% of the population also believes in creationism.

MKSheppard wrote:Don't forget me! The first time I'm voting in my life it's to re-elect W! I mean, seriously, I'd rather have anyone than John F'ing Kerry in the white house.

What a surprise. The country definitely needs another 4 years of Christian fundamentalism shoved down its throat. I'm glad you're in full support of that.

As it is, Kerry's actions during vietnam and his subsequent senate record have caused me to rethink a lot about Clinton.

What does Clinton have to do with anything?

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i've been hearing alot about impeaching bush lately

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