Why do you want to vote for Bush?

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-04-07 06:56pm

In response to some of the conservatives on this board making it clear that they still intend to vote for Bush despite all the recent events, I am honestly curious as to what about the Bush administration makes you want to see another four years of it. I'm not looking for a flame fest here, I just want an honest look at what you think Bush has done right since his election to office.

What I am NOT looking for is a comparison to other Presidents (Clinton) or other hopefuls (Kerry). In other words, I'm not asking for comments like "Well Bush has his problems, but Kerry would be far worse" kind of statements. For the sake of argument, lets assume that the Democratic party doesn't exist in this discussion and that all we are concerned with is Bush's positive traits/feats.

Also a note to overzealous liberals, this WILL NOT turn into a partisan flamefest. I am looking for honesty and that isn't going to happen if you start picking apart their arguments and trying to convert them to your way of thinking. There are plenty of other threads to do that in, so don't start any of that shit here.

So why do you guys want to vote for Bush?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-04-07 07:49pm

I'm pretty sure I'm not going to vote for him, but if I were, these would be the reasons; tax cuts, good job after 9/11, good idea on Iraq despite the awful execution, pulling out of Saudi Arabia, has hinted that we may pull out of Germany and possibly South Korea in the future (unambigious thumbs up to that), his honest, direct treatment of Kyoto was quite refreshing after Clinton's utterly pointless signing of it, I recall he suggested something about privatizing Social Security recently, and that's about it.

KrauserKrauser · Post by **KrauserKrauser** » 2004-04-07 07:53pm

What Joe said plus I know it will really piss off you liberal whacko's.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-04-07 08:10pm

KrauserKrauser wrote:What Joe said plus I know it will really piss off you liberal whacko's.

Did you recall the part where I asked this NOT to turn into a partisan flamefest?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-04-07 08:13pm

The Kernel wrote:
KrauserKrauser wrote:What Joe said plus I know it will really piss off you liberal whacko's.
Did you recall the part where I asked this NOT to turn into a partisan flamefest?

Hey, you asked for reasons why.

Anyway, I can kind of sympathize with this, because the prospect of four more years of batshit insanity over Kyoto and tax cuts is certainly an appealing one (not enough to get me to vote for Bush, though).

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-04-07 09:57pm

Because he's willing to hit the button and order our enemies killed, that's why. None of this lawyering bullshit, our enemies end up D-E-A-D.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-04-07 10:02pm

MKSheppard wrote:Because he's willing to hit the button and order our enemies killed, that's why. None of this lawyering bullshit, our enemies end up D-E-A-D.

Too bad he's incompetant, and the means by which we have to make our enemies D-E-A-D is being squandered and stretched out in Iraq.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-04-07 10:08pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
MKSheppard wrote:Because he's willing to hit the button and order our enemies killed, that's why. None of this lawyering bullshit, our enemies end up D-E-A-D.
Too bad he's incompetant, and the means by which we have to make our enemies D-E-A-D is being squandered and stretched out in Iraq.

Actually, I believe it's being squandered and stretched out defending our rich, mostly ungrateful allies (excluding maybe Japan).

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2004-04-07 10:08pm

As the good Doctor used to say when he was on the campaign trail, this Texas president's all hat and no cattle when it comes to domestic security.

Cornelius · Post by **Cornelius** » 2004-04-07 10:16pm

I used to like what Bush was doing, but now I am less so. I don't really like him all that much, especially some of the socio-politcal plans. But then again...i'm worried what the others will do worse or not at all.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-04-07 10:20pm

I wouldn't vote for him if the Democrats were putting forth a serious candidate. The fact that they haven't been able to do so makes me lean in favor of voting for him, or not voting at all for president.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-04-07 10:22pm

MKSheppard wrote:Because he's willing to hit the button and order our enemies killed, that's why. None of this lawyering bullshit, our enemies end up D-E-A-D.

You forget that he also has this knack for greatly multiplying the quantity of your enemies.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2004-04-07 10:24pm

Darth Wong wrote:
MKSheppard wrote:Because he's willing to hit the button and order our enemies killed, that's why. None of this lawyering bullshit, our enemies end up D-E-A-D.
You forget that he also has this knack for greatly multiplying the quantity of your enemies.

Everybody knows that there is only a fixed number of people who hate America in the world. Like France. You just have to kill all the people who hate America and everybody else will stumble all over themselves to kiss our ass! The USA is number one! USA! USA! USA!

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-04-07 10:35pm

Joe wrote:Hey, you asked for reasons why.

I don't believe he was asking for total jerkoff reasons.

If I was voting for Bush, I would probably do it because his tax cuts have been of significant benefits to some relatives of mine--and not nearly as much for most of you. pwned.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-04-07 10:37pm

Here is why for me...

1. Tax cuts.... everthing else being equal My share came to$800.00 more in my pocket. Our house hold picked up a total of $1700.00 extra. I wil vote for a tax cut over a non- or a increase anyday..

2. Resolve... Took a course... It has been horribly flawed but has not waviered from his vison. I will take that over a waffeler anyday

3. Leadership.. Willing to go it alone... (this is not about if its right or not) but I respect him for it...

4. Not bowing to Un pressure... Kyoto... World Court..

That is why for me...

and if someone could actully give me areason to vote for kerry and not just "I hate Bush" I would like to hear it... I don't see to many Pro Kerry threads..

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-04-07 10:42pm

theski wrote:Here is why for me...

1. Tax cuts.... everthing else being equal My share came to$800.00 more in my pocket. Our house hold picked up a total of $1700.00 extra. I wil vote for a tax cut over a non- or a increase anyday..

2. Resolve... Took a course... It has been horribly flawed but has not waviered from his vison. I will take that over a waffeler anyday

3. Leadership.. Willing to go it alone... (this is not about if its right or not) but I respect him for it...

4. Not bowing to Un pressure... Kyoto... World Court..

So the biggest reasons to vote for Bush are his shortsighted economic thinking, his refusal to admit error or adapt to new data, his inability to work with others, and his insular arrogance?

Those characteristics would make a lousy manager of a Pizza Hut, never mind a whole fucking country.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-04-07 10:43pm

theski wrote:and if someone could actully give me areason to vote for kerry and not just "I hate Bush" I would like to hear it... I don't see to many Pro Kerry threads..

Because I agree with his policies, I believe he is intelligent and hard-working, has not made any blatant attempts to deceive me (so far as I am aware

) and he and I have the same vision of America. John Kerry, I, and most liberals love America while remaining aware that our nation is not an end and justification in itself.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2004-04-07 10:43pm

theski wrote:and if someone could actully give me areason to vote for kerry and not just "I hate Bush" I would like to hear it... I don't see to many Pro Kerry threads..

Sadly, other than "he's not Bush," I can't think of much. Kerry was the safe candidate. There's not really much to individually recommend him other than that he's more likely to "look presidential" in a TV debate than any of the others. I was pulling for Dr. Dean because I liked a lot of his programs (frex, does ANYBODY have as good an idea as he had for encouraging entrepeneurship?). Kerry was really... the minimally acceptable Democrat. I expect him to have a reasonably competent Administration (which itself will be an improvement over what we've had since 2000), but nothing special.

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2004-04-07 10:44pm

theski wrote:Here is why for me...

1. Tax cuts.... everthing else being equal My share came to$800.00 more in my pocket. Our house hold picked up a total of $1700.00 extra. I wil vote for a tax cut over a non- or a increase anyday..

Budget deficits. To fix his mess you will lose half again or more as much as that when a president with cajones grabs the budget deficit by the balls and finally says "NO MORE"

2. Resolve... Took a course... It has been horribly flawed but has not waviered from his vison. I will take that over a waffeler anyday

Fuck the "Choose Hitler, lose a debate rule" Hitler had vision, too.

3. Leadership.. Willing to go it alone... (this is not about if its right or not) but I respect him for it...

Not leadership, cowboyism.

4. Not bowing to Un pressure... Kyoto... World Court..

In other words, Fuck you world, America RULZORZ!

That is why for me...

Okay.

and if someone could actully give me areason to vote for kerry and not just "I hate Bush" I would like to hear it... I don't see to many Pro Kerry threads..

Hating Bush is enough in many (this one for instance) cases. Biggest fuckup to ever disgrace the whitehouse.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-04-07 10:48pm

Chardok wrote

Budget deficits. To fix his mess you will lose half again or more as much as that when a president with cajones grabs the budget deficit by the balls and finally says "NO MORE"

We disagree here... as the economy grows so does the tax base and tax revenues.. The deficits will shrink on their own.. as they did in the late 90's ... Also for the Record... way to much pork in the budget...

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-04-07 10:51pm

Iceberg wrote:Sadly, other than "he's not Bush," I can't think of much. Kerry was the safe candidate.

Well, we can expect a prospective President Kerry to push the standard Democratic party plank once he's in office, that'll be a welcome enough change. I think the things that make Kerry appealing to me would have applied to any of the Democratic candidates, it was really just a choice with minor variation. Dean had a take-no-prisoners attitude and a good agenda, Edwards had the charisma, etc.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-04-07 10:54pm

theski wrote:We disagree here... as the economy grows so does the tax base and tax revenues.. The deficits will shrink on their own.. as they did in the late 90's ... Also for the Record... way to much pork in the budget...

You really think you can spend like a drunken sailor forever? These things are cyclical, in part because sooner or later a president does have to pull in the reins and allow the economy to grow faster than the budget. The bigger the deficit, the more pain will be necessary down the road in order to regain control.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-04-07 10:54pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote

Well, we can expect a prospective President Kerry to push the standard Democratic party plank once he's in office

2 questions... First ... what is his plan for Fixing Iraq,

Second.. How will he get anything done with Congress controlled by the GOP

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-04-07 10:56pm

theski wrote:We disagree here... as the economy grows so does the tax base and tax revenues..

It's not happening now, and it didn't happen the first time we tried it, either.

The deficits will shrink on their own.. as they did in the late 90's ...

That can safely be accredited to technological improvement and the resulting general upswing in the economy.

Also for the Record... way to much pork in the budget...

No more than any other year, and probably much less. There's a certain amount of wastage that will never be gotten rid of and has to be planned for when charting revenues. Even the biggest proponents of less government put pork in the budget, even republican senators consider it a duty to kick money back to the home state... Phil Gramm wanted to build the Superconducting Supercollider in Texas.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2004-04-07 10:59pm

Under Bush, pork ballooned to proportions never before seen - and virtually all of it benefitted Republican-controlled districts, while the few projects cut were generally ones that benefitted Democrat-controlled districts.