Bush Opinion Poll

[Iceberg]

I can't think of any presidential administration with this much naked contempt for the intelligence of the American voting public. It's in no way hidden or masked - it's very much out there in the open. You can see it every time they open their mouth with a new story that doesn't match what they said before but that they think we won't know enough or care enough about the truth to contradict them.

[Nathan F]

Fair to middlin'.

Could be a heckuva lot better, but there aren't many positive alternatives in my opinion.

[HemlockGrey]

So who's voting for "excellant job"?

[Hamel]

So who's voting for "excellant job"?

I can imagine Rev Prez voting in such a way, but none other~

[Stravo]

So who's voting for "excellant job"?

Comical Axi?

[The Kernel]

So who's voting for "excellant job"?

Comical Axi?

More likely theski and KrauserKrauser.

[Pu-239]

So who's voting for "excellant job"?

Comical Axi?

More likely theski and KrauserKrauser.

I can see KrauserKrauser for "excellent", but theski appears to be only "well". Axi would likely the other "excellent".

[Darth Wong]

I can see KrauserKrauser for "excellent", but theski appears to be only "well". Axi would likely the other "excellent".

No, not "excellent". They voted for "excellant". Perhaps the poll was cleverly written to imply that Bush supporters can't spell

[Durandal]

"Excellant" is the phonetic spelling for the French pronunciation. Ooooh, the irony.

[The Kernel]

BTW, theski, no offense intended on thinking you might have voted excellent. You're a decent guy, just seriously misguided in your political opinions.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Problem is, Bush PRETENDS to be a fiscal conservative. YES he did a good job by cutting taxes(I dont mind how it was slanted toward the rich. Supply side economics WORKS) But he didnt folow it up with spending cuts like he should have done.

He cut tacxes, then spent MORE. I know every politician does this, but they are morons.

We all know my stance on civil liberties, and we know that I would claim he is the anti-christ of democracy(and he is)

You all know my stance on gay rights

You all know my stance on human cloning and stem cell research.

I wanted saddam gone, but wanted UN support...

Terrible

[Glocksman]

I started out with high hopes for GWB, but the lies that accompanied the Iraq war pulled the rose colored glasses right off of my head.

From the blatant constitutional violations to the lies told about Iraq, from the utter lack of fiscal discipline to the blatant pandering to corporations who want cheap labor, GWB has been one massive disappointment.

The problem is that Kerry wouldn't be much better. Other than Iraq, Kerry would probably have done many of the same things except for the tax cuts.

Kerry would undoubtedly favor amnesty for illegals.
Kerry voted for the USA PATRIOT act.
Kerry supports larger Federal involvement in education.


A Kerry administration wouldn't have the right wing whackos like Ashcroft chasing porno producers, they'd have a left wing wacko like Catherine MacKinnon in there doing the same thing.


At this point, asking me to choose between Bush and Kerry is like asking me if I'd rather be shot or hanged.

[Darth Wong]

In business, even if you don't know for sure that the next manager will be any better, you sack the manager when he's doing poorly if for no other reason than to not set a precedent for rewarding incompetence. If the manager is bad enough, you have the assurance that the next guy can't be any worse.

[HemlockGrey]

No, not "excellent". They voted for "excellant". Perhaps the poll was cleverly written to imply that Bush supporters can't spell

Yes...that's it. Just another helping of witty, subtle political commentary from me.

[Glocksman]

Well, my dislike of Bush is that he claims to be one thing but acts as something else.

Kerry doesn't make any bones about the fact that he's a Northeastern liberal Kennedy clone, and I'd sooner have all my teeth pulled without anasthesia than vote for a Kennedy or Kennedy clone.

Both candidates fail the 'Glocksman Test', as one's a proven liar of such magnitude that I'm surprised his nose doesn't bust through my TV screen and the other is such a whacko liberal that I wouldn't vote for him if he was running against Stalin.

It looks like either a 3rd party vote or a write in for Dean.

Not that it really matters though. The last time Indiana went Democrat in a Presidential race was in 1964, and that was an abberation.

On election night if Indiana goes for Kerry, stick a fork in GWB as he's done.

[Darth Wong]

Liberals tend to favour censorship of things that they feel will harm women. Conservatives tend to favour censorship of things that offend Christian religious beliefs. That may seem like a wash, but conservatives go one step further, and want to regulate what you can do in the privacy of your own bedroom. Even if the liberals pushed the censorship agenda just as hard as the conservatives (which I consider unlikely given their fevered opposition to just about everything Bush has done), it's still a better bet (from a social standpoint) to go for the liberals.

[Howedar]

That, and Kerry's incredible waffling means he will not be likely to do things that bother the majority of Americans, IE the whole porn thing.

[SirNitram]

One thing mystifies me: After seeing what happens when a Congress exists that allows things to be easily passed, why do people think it's a bad thing that Congress will be gridlocked? The nature of political gridlock is such that only those things important enough to both parties(And thus, to the country at large) will get through, not bullshit stuff for one side.

[Glocksman]

Even if the liberals pushed the censorship agenda just as hard as the conservatives (which I consider unlikely given their fevered opposition to just about everything Bush has done), it's still a better bet (from a social standpoint) to go for the liberals.

I'm a little surprised that you haven't picked up on my one unstated reason for intensely disliking Kerry.

His hostility to the 2nd amendment and gun rights.
Dean may have favored the so-called 'Assault Weapons Ban', but that was about as far as he would go. I may not have liked that stance, but it wasn't any worse than GWB's stated support for the ban.

Kerry, on the other hand, is the darling of the Brady Campaign and other likeminded swine.

If it wasn't for the gun issue, I'd probably hold my nose and punch (yes, we use punch cards ) Kerry's number. As it is, I can't support either one of them.

[HemlockGrey]

The "waffling" bit doesn't bother me much (I've never actually seen anything that could be considered "hypocritical" rather than "changing one's mind"). I'd much rather have an indecisive, waffling President than one resolute, steadfast, and hellbent on dragging the country through the mud.

[Thirdfain]

Is anyone here planning on voting libertarian in the upcoming elections?

[Darth Wong]

Even if the liberals pushed the censorship agenda just as hard as the conservatives (which I consider unlikely given their fevered opposition to just about everything Bush has done), it's still a better bet (from a social standpoint) to go for the liberals.

I'm a little surprised that you haven't picked up on my one unstated reason for intensely disliking Kerry.

His hostility to the 2nd amendment and gun rights.

Sorry, I don't think about that issue too much. Don't you already have your guns? What difference does it make if there's a waiting period?

[Durandal]

If it wasn't for the gun issue, I'd probably hold my nose and punch (yes, we use punch cards ) Kerry's number. As it is, I can't support either one of them.

With a Republican Congress, I don't think you'll have to worry too much about that if Kerry gets elected.

[Glocksman]

It's not about a waiting period.

From JohnKerry.com

Will Work to Close the “Gun Show Loophole” – John Kerry opposes the loophole which allows violent criminals to purchase guns at gun shows. Under the current loophole, unlicensed gun sellers are not required to perform a criminal background check on potential buyers at gun shows--and this allows guns to fall into the hands of felons, stalkers and violent juveniles. Kerry has voted to close the gun show loophole and will continue to work to keep guns out of the hands of those who are not legally allowed to have them. Of closing the loophole, Kerry said, "These are modest and sensible measures that will keep guns out of the hands of children and criminals. Opposition to such reasonable proposals is explained more by politics than by sound policy considerations." [Senate Roll Call vote, 1999 # 134; Patriot Ledger, 5/21/99]

There is no 'gun show loophole'.

As I've pointed out in a previous topic, it's already illegal to deal in firearms without an FFL. The only thing this bill would criminalize is a person who makes an occasional sale. Something else I'd like to point out is that it's already illegal to knowlingly sell a gun to a prohibited person whether you are an FFL holder or an individual making an occasional sale.

Voted to Ban Military-Style Assault Weapons in the United States – John Kerry strongly supports the current ban on assault weapons and voted to restrict the manufacturing, transfer or possession of these weapons in the United States—including AK-47’s and similar weapons used by terrorists in Afghanistan. Kerry voted for the “Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act” which banned military-style assault weapons. Additionally, the ban on assault weapons was supported by virtually every national law enforcement organization in the United States. [Senate Roll Call vote, 1993 #375; BradyCampaign.org]

The only things a pre ban civilian legal AK and a 'terrorist weapon in Afganistan' have in common are looks. The civilian model is not fully automatic like the real thing is and the only difference between a preban semiauto AK and my legal posthan semiauto AK is that my gun doesn't have a flash deflector or a bayonet lug.

But I guess we have to ban bayonet lugs 'for the children'

Voted to End Unlicensed Sale of Guns on the Internet – John Kerry voted to end the unlicensed sale of guns over the Internet. Kerry voted to force websites which are clearly designed to sell guns to be federally licensed and compliant with all related firearm laws. Often times, criminals and others not legally allowed to purchase guns will use the Internet and these websites to by-pass federal gun laws. [Senate Roll Call vote, #119]

Ummm....

I hate to tell him this, but it's already illegal for non licensed individuals to sell or purchase weapons over the internet. Sales between people do take place over the internet, but a licensed FFL holder must handle the transfer paperwork on each end of the transaction.

He's full of shit.

A Leader in Banning “Cop Killer Bullets” & Banning Large Capacity Clips – John Kerry is a national leader in promoting sensible oversight of ammunition sales and favors banning large-capacity ammunition clips which have no sporting value yet risk the lives of police officers and average people from the criminals that wish them harm. Kerry is the author of the “Ammunition Safety Act” which sought to allow for greater scrutiny of ammunition dealers and cracked down on armor-piecing, “Cop Killer” bullets. Kerry also voted to ban large capacity ammunition clips and voted to protect these military-style weapons which are only meant to kill people. [105th Congress, S. 533; 104th Congress, S. 433; Senate Roll Call vote 1998 #24; 1999, #116]

Umm..

AP pistol ammo was banned before Kerry was even in Congress.

What his proposed legislation would do would ban any ammunition that would pierce a kevlar vest. Doesn't sound so unreasonable until you consider that almost any centerfire rifle cartridge will turn body armor into a body bag. This legislation would overnight make criminals out of 60 year old geezers with their Dad's old Winchester .30-30.

And as far as magazines go, would you be any deader if I shot you 10 times with a postban magazine as opposed to the 12 times that a preban magazine in my Smith 6906 would let me do?

The magazine ban has accomplished nothing.

Denounces Those Who Think AK-47’s are for Hunting – “Kerry talked about how he was hunting at the age of 8 or 9, when he went to his cousins' Massachusetts farm to shoot woodchucks. While he supports background checks and a ban on assault weapons, he said, "I never contemplated hunting deer or anything else with an AK-47," Kerry said. [Hartford Courant, 7/9/03]

Looks like he doesn't know jack shit about deer hunting either. While using a civilian legal semiauto AK may be a little unorthodox, the 7.62x39mm cartridge it shoots it has roughly the same power level as Grandpa's old .30-30 deer gun. Slap in a 5 round magazine with softpoints, and you've got a nice handy deer gun to use in the brush, as AK's are compact weapons.




My 60 year old surplus bolt action rifles fire cartridges that are a lot more powerful than the round the AK fires.

Cracks Down on Unlicensed Ammunition Dealers & “Cop Killer” Bullets - John Kerry “has introduced a bill (S. 533) that would subject ammunition dealers to the same licensing requirements as firearms dealers. S. 533 would also apply the Brady bill's background check requirements to ammunition. Under the bill, the Secretary of the Treasury would be required to test and rate the destructive power of projectiles to clearly define and ban armor-piercing ammunition. [Security Management, 8/97]

In other words, let's raise the price of ammo to the point where it becomes prohibitive for many people, and as I mentioned earlier, this proposed law would ban almost all rifle ammunition as 'armor-piercing.

More than 200 people die from the accidental use of handguns every year. In 1992 alone, 233 accidental deaths occurred because of handguns. This included 6 babies, 36 kids under the age of 14, and 8 senior citizens, 2 of whom were over the age of 80…In light of these sad and disturbing facts, there is no good reason to have ever more dangerous bullets on the market. And there is every good reason to keep off our streets and out of our homes bullets that supply handguns with the destructive power of assault weapons…" Floor Statement, February 16, 1995

When you have a total handgun supply of over 60 million handguns, having only 200 or so accidental deaths a year isn't a pressing national health problem. Gun accidents aren't even on the CDC's top 10 causes of accidental death. Compare that 223 handgun deaths to the over 5000 people who suffocate or the 14,000 who accidentally poison themselves each year.

Kerry's for far more than just a waiting period.

[Darth Wong]

Is anyone here planning on voting libertarian in the upcoming elections?

Is anyone planning to dismantle the safety systems of a nuclear reactor in the near future?