STGOD 4 OOC Thread

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-04-10 12:49pm

A gate would, by defination, be a very large structure. and if any part of it breaks the whole thing dosn't work. It would be insantly expensive to defend the whole thing.

Marcao · Post by **Marcao** » 2004-04-10 12:58pm

lazerus wrote:A gate would, by defination, be a very large structure. and if any part of it breaks the whole thing dosn't work. It would be insantly expensive to defend the whole thing.

we can shield planets in this STGOD, shielding a gate would not be out of the question. If worse comes to worse, you can park it near one of your major worlds and have it gain protection from whatever orbital emplacements are there already. *shrug*

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-04-10 03:00pm

Instantaneous FTL travel between fixed gates confers a tremendous defensive advantage, such that I don't think it ought to be allowed. Being able to instantly shift your defending forces from planet to planet would allow you to concentrate and disperse your forces at will, and given the close equality of force counts in this game, it would require a multi-player coalition to make an impact on your defenses.

So, no instantaneous FTL gates will be allowed, at least not on any significant scale.

Jaded Masses · Post by **Jaded Masses** » 2004-04-10 03:05pm

God has spoken, the judgment passed down to mortal men.

Do you think it particularly matters if in the diplomacy thread references were made to gates? I just as soon pretend they didn't exist, rather then go back and change them....

PS did you get my PM?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-04-10 03:05pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:Instantaneous FTL travel between fixed gates confers a tremendous defensive advantage, such that I don't think it ought to be allowed. Being able to instantly shift your defending forces from planet to planet would allow you to concentrate and disperse your forces at will, and given the close equality of force counts in this game, it would require a multi-player coalition to make an impact on your defenses.

So, no instantaneous FTL gates will be allowed, at least not on any significant scale.

jawohl!

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2004-04-10 03:05pm

Has anyone decided what the cap is on orbital battle stations? (Anyone who has played against me in other STGODs knows that i'm quite fond of them.)

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-04-10 03:07pm

Pablo... PMs... check them please

We have a proposal for you.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-04-10 03:16pm

Darksider wrote:Has anyone decided what the cap is on orbital battle stations? (Anyone who has played against me in other STGODs knows that i'm quite fond of them.)

I think this will fall under the realm of "a reasonable level" of defense. It's a little difficult to define... planetary defenses that can, unassisted, hold their own against a major fleet assault are a little too much, I think. Defenses sufficient to repel raiding forces are perfectly fine, but if someone sends a major attack you should definitely be forced to reply with a fleet of your own.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2004-04-10 03:18pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Darksider wrote:Has anyone decided what the cap is on orbital battle stations? (Anyone who has played against me in other STGODs knows that i'm quite fond of them.)
I think this will fall under the realm of "a reasonable level" of defense. It's a little difficult to define... planetary defenses that can, unassisted, hold their own against a major fleet assault are a little too much, I think. Defenses sufficient to repel raiding forces are perfectly fine, but if someone sends a major attack you should definitely be forced to reply with a fleet of your own.

Ok, the stations in my OOB can't hold off entire fleets single handedly, but three of them working together could. How about I tone it down to three stations per major world, two on smaller colonies, and six one my homeworld?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-04-10 03:20pm

The idea of planetary defenses is that they make it so that planets are not soft, easy targets. I would make each station equivalent to a couple heavy warships in firepower, with enough shielding to last a while under heavy bombardment.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-04-10 03:55pm

Alyrium, you are threatening to kill an Ambassador of another power at a neutral conference. This is tantamount to the British ambassador to the UN standing up and shouting "Oh, you think you are so badass, eh, Germany? Well, look at what MY nation has!," and then pulling out an Enfield and pointing it at the German Ambassador's head while shouting threats to blow his brains out.

In any reasonable situation, you would be expelled from the proceedings.

Meanwhile, Alyrium, you are wrong about planetary defenses. The idea of planetary defenses in this STGOD are to give a defending fleet and advantage. If you want to sacrifice a number of your capital ships for stations "equivalent to a couple heavy warships in firepower, with enough shielding to last while under heavy bombardment," then feel free to do so.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-04-10 04:00pm

I neveer threatened to kill anyone. Just to show him a different plane of existence. Sure it is a dangerous one, but I never said it would kill him. wee got into a discusion of religion and souls, and I showed him the afterlife. He claimed it wasnt real and I said basically the equivalent of "Hehe, you think it isnt real.. then why dont you jump in, or I could give you a little push if you are afraid"

It wasnt a threat. It would be a threat if I had not opened up a one-way portal to said afterlife. But I could simply walk into that portal should I so choose, and still be alive.

In every other STGOD we have been in, we have had battlestations that put capitalships attacking them in danger. Going based on experience here.

Though, FYI, I dont have orbital stations.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-04-10 04:03pm

In every other STGOD, we had orbital defenses capable of protecting worlds against raids. Full fleet assaults were more than capable of breaking these fortifications (note the Battle of Desjardins, the Battle of Corneria, the Battle of Ulrich, the Battle of Jacob's Landing, the Commonwealth raids on the Cornerian naval shipyards....)

Oh, and saying you'll push someone into the realm of death is a threat.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-04-10 04:06pm

Thirdfain wrote:In every other STGOD, we had orbital defenses capable of protecting worlds against raids. Full fleet assaults were more than capable of breaking these fortifications (note the Battle of Desjardins, the Battle of Corneria, the Battle of Ulrich, the Battle of Jacob's Landing, the Commonwealth raids on the Cornerian naval shipyards....)

Oh, and saying you'll push someone into the realm of death is a threat.

Oh of course, they couldnt hold out agaisnt a full scale attack, but heavy bombardment froma few capships wouldnt break them like twigs either. And they have enough firepower to exert the force of a few capitalships as well.

Well he may consider it a threat all he likes, but the fact is, the dimension is just a transit point, harmless. Unless the Tanar'ri decide to make a raid for souls and Kelemnvor doesnt intercede.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-04-10 04:10pm

This is something to be argued in the diplomacy thread. I am merely pointing out that you ARE threatening these others with death.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-04-10 07:13pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:Instantaneous FTL travel between fixed gates confers a tremendous defensive advantage, such that I don't think it ought to be allowed. Being able to instantly shift your defending forces from planet to planet would allow you to concentrate and disperse your forces at will, and given the close equality of force counts in this game, it would require a multi-player coalition to make an impact on your defenses.

So, no instantaneous FTL gates will be allowed, at least not on any significant scale.

I always thought my Gates to be more like Farcatsers. Allowing persons and smaller things to travel instantaneous, but ships still have to make "normal" transit.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-04-10 07:16pm

I havent wrote down explicit numbers on planetary defense.
I just assume that, since I control less planets than the others, my defenses are a tad bit tougher than other nations, spending equal money on more worlds.

The actual orbital defenses are on a basis of mine fields and orbital battle stations.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-10 08:56pm

Thirdfain wrote:This is something to be argued in the diplomacy thread. I am merely pointing out that you ARE threatening these others with death.

And I'd like to point out that your ambassador packed up and left after making her declaration some time ago. What are you still doing there?

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-04-10 09:37pm

... I changed my mind. Sorry. Of course, such a thing would not be an option in the game proper.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-11 12:17am

Anybody know when the STGOD itself is going to start?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-11 12:40am

Erm... Greetings, Bugsby. My, I don't think I've ever seen a newbie have an OOB for an STGOD as his first post before...

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-04-11 03:12am

It's highly unlikely a Floater would sign up for citizenship with a national power- If they did, they wouldn't be Floaters anymore.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-04-11 03:15am

We have extended it. Much as we extend citizenship to all who stay in our territory for over 3 years. The mage academy is small, and if a floater chooses they can learn magic. though the fascilities are limited and they can only become the equivalent of 1st level mages at the academy.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2004-04-11 04:44am

Thirdfain, what was the name of the small floater colony you set up in the Krytosian Ort cloud?

Would it still be there?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-11 04:49am

Alyrium Denryle wrote:We have extended it. Much as we extend citizenship to all who stay in our territory for over 3 years. The mage academy is small, and if a floater chooses they can learn magic. though the fascilities are limited and they can only become the equivalent of 1st level mages at the academy.

Do you try to extend citizenship to diplomats?