Kim Campbell One of Fifty Greatest World Leaders

The Aliens · Post by **The Aliens** » 2004-04-11 07:08pm

At least according to this, which ranks Canada's first female Prime Minister among the fifty greatest world leaders in history, for her grand total of 132 days in office.

The Aliens · Post by **The Aliens** » 2004-04-11 07:09pm

Crap- would someone change 'fiftiest' to fifty, please?

Done and cleaned ~GR

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-04-11 07:18pm

She never done anything worthy for this kind of honor,i think someone is trivialising what greatness means.

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2004-04-11 07:43pm

Kim Campbell basically served as a fucking placeholder for the PM position until they got around to holding an election. The only reason she's on that list is because she's female.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-04-11 07:48pm

I'm with aerius...especially since the article is about the fifty most important leaders.

Unless someone wishes to enlighten me otherwise...all she did was be female...yay, guess if US geta female Prez...she'll be up there too.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2004-04-11 07:52pm

Ghost Rider wrote:
Unless someone wishes to enlighten me otherwise...all she did was be female...

And very unpopular it would seem. What a stupid listing.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-04-11 07:56pm

Has anyone seen the complete listing? The article doesn't list it. Would be interesting to see the other 50 places...

The Aliens · Post by **The Aliens** » 2004-04-11 08:09pm

She got murdered in the next election, as well- if she had a penis she'd be up there in the annals of history with the guys that no-one cares about.

J · Post by J » 2004-04-11 09:49pm

Kim who? Now I was out of the country when she was PM, but really now, Kim Campbell? OK so she was our first female PM which I guess is kinda special but it's not like she did anything other than keep the PM's seat warm until the general elections were held a few months later.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-04-11 11:21pm

They're giving her the spot because she occupies a place in Canadian history. The first American female president will no doubt be similarly honoured, even if she does a horrible job.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2004-04-12 10:21am

All, it should be pointed out she wasn't elected by the people of Canada, but rather her political party.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-04-12 10:24am

Solauren wrote:All, it should be pointed out she wasn't elected by the people of Canada, but rather her political party.

Just like Paul Martin, and no one appears to be calling Paul Martin a fake Prime Minister. That's just the way our system works.

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2004-04-12 10:51am

I wouldn't call Paul Martin a fake PM, just like I didn't say Kim Campbell was one either. Rather, both of them are seatwarmers, they both serve as placeholders or interim PMs until we can get around to an election. The difference of course is that Kim Campbell just sat on her ass for the 5 months while Paul Martin is actually doing something.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-04-12 11:11am

Solauren wrote:All, it should be pointed out she wasn't elected by the people of Canada, but rather her political party.

ummmm... isn't every Canadian PM elected by their political party and not by the people?

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2004-04-12 11:30am

Yes and no.

Kim Campbell (and Paul Martin) was not head of her polictial party when it was elected.

And I'm not calling Kim Campbell a fake PM. Just any claim to 'greatness' is weakened by her not having been put into power by a federal election.

Now, if she had been re-elected by a federal election, that's different.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2004-04-12 03:05pm

aerius wrote:I wouldn't call Paul Martin a fake PM, just like I didn't say Kim Campbell was one either. Rather, both of them are seatwarmers, they both serve as placeholders or interim PMs until we can get around to an election. The difference of course is that Kim Campbell just sat on her ass for the 5 months while Paul Martin is actually doing something.

What exactly is Paul Martin doing? All he seems to be doing is dodging flak from the sponsership scandal.

The Aliens · Post by **The Aliens** » 2004-04-12 04:38pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:
Solauren wrote:All, it should be pointed out she wasn't elected by the people of Canada, but rather her political party.
ummmm... isn't every Canadian PM elected by their political party and not by the people?

Technically, but most of the times the Leader of the party determines which one they vote for, more so than their MP. What they mean by saying she wasn't elected is that she wasn't the leader of the Political Party when they were elected in.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-04-12 04:41pm

The Aliens wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:
Solauren wrote:All, it should be pointed out she wasn't elected by the people of Canada, but rather her political party.
ummmm... isn't every Canadian PM elected by their political party and not by the people?
Technically, but most of the times the Leader of the party determines which one they vote for, more so than their MP. What they mean by saying she wasn't elected is that she wasn't the leader of the Political Party when they were elected in.

So it's like the electoral college, but with even more loopholes for parties to just 'elect' whoever the hell they want. And you think the American political system is a joke.....

The Aliens · Post by **The Aliens** » 2004-04-12 05:23pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:
The Aliens wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote: ummmm... isn't every Canadian PM elected by their political party and not by the people?
Technically, but most of the times the Leader of the party determines which one they vote for, more so than their MP. What they mean by saying she wasn't elected is that she wasn't the leader of the Political Party when they were elected in.
So it's like the electoral college, but with even more loopholes for parties to just 'elect' whoever the hell they want. And you think the American political system is a joke.....

Not true at all- the leader of a party is voted on by all members of that party- regular people, not just MPs. And since the PM is always the Leader of the ruling party, they don't jus elect whoever the hell they want.