the continuing wrath of KHAAAAAAAN!

[Col. Crackpot]

LINKY-POO

So it would seem that Kim Dong Small has at least 3 nukes as of a few years ago, thanks to everyone's favorite Pakastani nuclear scientist. Yay!

[BoredShirtless]

Big whoop. Before Bush's Axis of Evil speech, North Korea wasn't even in the papers. North Korea isn't dumb enough to use them.

[Montcalm]

Maybe North Korea will use the school bully tactics,"Give me money and i will not beat you" and i'm sure it will work.

[Col. Crackpot]

Big whoop. Before Bush's Axis of Evil speech, North Korea wasn't even in the papers. North Korea isn't dumb enough to use them.

oh really? perhaps you forget North Korea's previous temper tantrums in the 80's and 90's when it threatened the US, Japan, South Korea and Europe with a nuclear weapons program.... or perhaps the BIG FUCKING WAR back in the 50's? No, North Korea never did anything until George Bush and the Big Bad Evil Empire of America mentioned them in a speech. Harsh words are always justification the threaten a nuclear war after all.

[BoredShirtless]

Big whoop. Before Bush's Axis of Evil speech, North Korea wasn't even in the papers. North Korea isn't dumb enough to use them.

oh really? perhaps you forget North Korea's previous temper tantrums in the 80's and 90's when it threatened the US, Japan, South Korea and Europe with a nuclear weapons program....

Context? Source?

or perhaps the BIG FUCKING WAR back in the 50's?

Did they use Nukes? Exactly.

No, North Korea never did anything until George Bush and the Big Bad Evil Empire of America mentioned them in a speech. Harsh words are always justification the threaten a nuclear war after all.

Judging by the build quality of your strawmen, you must be bored at the moment. I didn't say nor imply North Korea is a sinless saint. I only said they aren't dumb enough to use their nukes. Now, I'll add to that; not dumb enough to preemptively use their nukes. If you guys go off on another military adventure, all bets are off.

[Col. Crackpot]

Big whoop. Before Bush's Axis of Evil speech, North Korea wasn't even in the papers. North Korea isn't dumb enough to use them.

oh really? perhaps you forget North Korea's previous temper tantrums in the 80's and 90's when it threatened the US, Japan, South Korea and Europe with a nuclear weapons program....

Context? Source?

http://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/dprkchron.asp

they have ben defying the will of the UN and the IAEA for quite a long time. My favorite part was how they agreed to not produce weapons grade fissionable material in excange for a reactor for power generating purposes. Then they immediately proceed to use said reactor to produce weapons grade plutonium.

[Glocksman]

North Korea has repeatedly tried to assassinate South Korean leaders and bombed at least one Korean airliner.

Source

After several meetings in 1972, the two sides announced an agreement to work toward reunification and an end to hostilities. The process broke down a year later, however, after South Korean Pres. Park Chung Hee announced the South would seek separate entry into the United Nations.

Tension between North and South Korea increased dramatically in 1983 after an assassination attempt on Pres. Chun Doo Hwan by North Korean agents in Burma, which killed four members of the Cabinet and 13 presidential aides. North-South relations deteriorated further after North Korean agents bombed a South Korean airliner in 1987, killing 115 people.

the Post article doesn't mention it, but there was a previous NK plot to kill the SK president back in 1974.

Friendly folks, those NK's are.

[Col. Crackpot]

sshhhhh! don't tell the village idiot! that will undermine his ability to make a conclusion before the fact, and then find selective data to support it!

[MKSheppard]

the Post article doesn't mention it, but there was a previous NK plot to kill the SK president back in 1974.

Or how they chopped a US Army LT to death with axes when we tried to
cut down a tree in the DMZ that was on our side, blocking our sightlines
from our outposts; and we were legally allowed to do that by the ceasefire
agreements.

[The Kernel]

sshhhhh! don't tell the village idiot! that will undermine his ability to make a conclusion before the fact, and then find selective data to support it!

If you want to attack BoredShirtless' argument, why don't you do that instead of pulling out stupid red herring attacks against the man?

[theski]

Update.....4:15 est....

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribun ... ing_3.html

U.S. to pull out most forces from Korean DMZ this year



Special to World Tribune.com
EAST-ASIA-INTEL.COM
Tuesday, April 13, 2004
The U.S. military will withdraw most if its forces from the Demilitarized Zone separating North and South Korea this year, an official announced today.

The withdrawal means the United States will no longer have combat troops anywhere on the DMZ except at Panmunjom, where a U.S.-Korean battalion, commanded by a U.S. army lieutenant colonel, remains on guard in what is known as the Joint Security Area.

Therefore South Korea, which has a 600,000-member military, will face North Korea's armed forces, the world's fifth largest with 1.1 million soldiers, most of whom are concentrated near the DMZ.

The United States will turn over Observation Post Ouellette, which provides a view into North Korea, as part of a force reshuffle, the official said. U.S. forces will no longer guard the border, except except for the troops at the JSA in Panmunjom.

South Korean forces will take over Ouelette, just as they have replaced U.S. forces everywhere else along the DMZ since the Korean War ended in 1953. South Korea officials, however, want the U.S. to keep its troops in the Joint Security Area as symbols of America's commitment to defend the South

[BoredShirtless]

sshhhhh! don't tell the village idiot! that will undermine his ability to make a conclusion before the fact, and then find selective data to support it!

You're such a dumbshit. Glockmans post had nothing to do with any of my posts. Man, your straw men are so outrageous sometimes I get the feeling this character:



Was based on a true story. You.

[Col. Crackpot]

sshhhhh! don't tell the village idiot! that will undermine his ability to make a conclusion before the fact, and then find selective data to support it!

You're such a dumbshit. Glockmans post had nothing to do with any of my posts. Man, your straw men are so outrageous sometimes I get the feeling this character:



Was based on a true story. You.

as usual you ignore the factual part of my arguement and zoom in on the added snide comment. why don't you try rebuffing the facts i presented first, cumstain.

[BoredShirtless]

as usual you ignore the factual part of my arguement and zoom in on the added snide comment. why don't you try rebuffing the facts i presented first, cumstain.

What are you doing, trying to outdo your own stupidity with each new post? Point to where I opposed the red herring facts you presented? That's right Gump, I never did. My argument is with your opinion that N. Korea having nukes is a big deal [assuming the United States doesn't force their hand].

[Col. Crackpot]

as usual you ignore the factual part of my arguement and zoom in on the added snide comment. why don't you try rebuffing the facts i presented first, cumstain.

What are you doing, trying to outdo your own stupidity with each new post? Point to where I opposed the red herring facts you presented? That's right Gump, I never did. My argument is with your opinion that N. Korea having nukes is a big deal [assuming the United States doesn't force their hand].

so you don't consider a Stalinist dictator who treats his populace as a means to procure weapons and who regularly tests missiles by shooting them over Japan and South Korea a threat now that he has nuclear warheads? This loon openly threatend the US, the EU, Japan, Russia and South Korea with nuclear war the last time the UN tried to sit him down and talk to him.

[Col. Crackpot]

oh, and BS... we are in the process now of withdrawing our forces from the Korean penninsula. ALL of them. How is that warmongering towards North Korea? Hmmmmm? Exactly.

[BoredShirtless]

oh, and BS... we are in the process now of withdrawing our forces from the Korean penninsula. ALL of them. How is that warmongering towards North Korea? Hmmmmm? Exactly.

Argh not another straw man! I did not say you are "warmongering towards North Korea". What the hell's the matter with you? Stop being a lazy ass, take the time to comprehend my posts....or don't bother replying.

[BoredShirtless]

as usual you ignore the factual part of my arguement and zoom in on the added snide comment. why don't you try rebuffing the facts i presented first, cumstain.

What are you doing, trying to outdo your own stupidity with each new post? Point to where I opposed the red herring facts you presented? That's right Gump, I never did. My argument is with your opinion that N. Korea having nukes is a big deal [assuming the United States doesn't force their hand].

so you don't consider a Stalinist dictator who treats his populace as a means to procure weapons and who regularly tests missiles by shooting them over Japan and South Korea a threat now that he has nuclear warheads?

If by "threat" you mean "would they preemptively use their nukes?", then yes, I don't think they would. BTW, missile tests and treatment of the populace isn't enough information to conclude they would use their nukes preemptively.

This loon openly threatend the US, the EU, Japan, Russia and South Korea with nuclear war the last time the UN tried to sit him down and talk to him.

Ah, but you're convinetly forgetting the threats by the United States in the infamous Axis of Evil speech. So how does it feel, to reap what you sow? Hard work, isn't it?

[Col. Crackpot]

If by "threat" you mean "would they preemptively use their nukes?", then yes, I don't think they would. BTW, missile tests and treatment of the populace isn't enough information to conclude they would use their nukes preemptively.

thats the thing, Kim Jong Il has repeatedly threatened to "preemtively use" his nukes against Japan, South Korea and the US. He even threatened Russia and the EU last year during the negotiations set by the UN to facilitate nuclear disarmament.

Ah, but you're convinetly forgetting the threats by the United States in the infamous Axis of Evil speech. So how does it feel, to reap what you sow? Hard work, isn't it?

when did the United States ever threaten to invade or use nuclear weapons against North Korea? When have we ever fired ballistic missiles, unannounced over our neighbors as an act of intimidation? cut the bullshit. The fact is you backed yourself into a corner by defending a mentaly disturbed sociopathic stalinist thug.

[BoredShirtless]

If by "threat" you mean "would they preemptively use their nukes?", then yes, I don't think they would. BTW, missile tests and treatment of the populace isn't enough information to conclude they would use their nukes preemptively.

thats the thing, Kim Jong Il has repeatedly threatened to "preemtively use" his nukes against Japan, South Korea and the US. He even threatened Russia and the EU last year during the negotiations set by the UN to facilitate nuclear disarmament.

What was the context? If it was something like "if the United States invades, we'll nuke her", then that falls under my condition "unless provoked", and is still frankly hot air. If not, then it's still just hot air as far as I'm concerned. Call me naive if you want; I just think the officials at N Korea don't have a death wish. Death to the government employees and many civilians would be granted if they tried using their nukes. Only as a last resort would any nation use nukes, and that includes N Korea. Stop frothing at the mouth about the evil communists, and join everyone else in the land of rationailty and common sense.

Ah, but you're convinetly forgetting the threats by the United States in the infamous Axis of Evil speech. So how does it feel, to reap what you sow? Hard work, isn't it?

when did the United States ever threaten to invade or use nuclear weapons against North Korea?

What's the context? I don't believe they would just blurt this out without some sort of provokation by the United States.

When have we ever fired ballistic missiles, unannounced over our neighbors as an act of intimidation?

This doesn't mean they would use nukes preemptively. Can you say Slippery Slope Fallacy?

cut the bullshit. The fact is you backed yourself into a corner by defending a mentaly disturbed sociopathic stalinist thug.

What bullshit should I cut exactly? The fact that the United States provoked N Korea in the latest mess? Fuck you. There are only two international thugs at the moment. And they're both at the moment in Texas.

[Col. Crackpot]

link

link

and

link


a little background on Kim Jong Il. The consensous is that he is either batshit insane, or very shrewd and walking a thin dangerous line. Read it BS!

[Ma Deuce]

oh really? perhaps you forget North Korea's previous temper tantrums in the 80's and 90's when it threatened the US, Japan, South Korea and Europe with a nuclear weapons program.... or perhaps the BIG FUCKING WAR back in the 50's? No, North Korea never did anything until George Bush and the Big Bad Evil Empire of America mentioned them in a speech. Harsh words are always justification the threaten a nuclear war after all.

I also recall that North Korean agents abducted dozens of Japanese citizens from Japan in the '70s for the purposes of "training" (that is, how to abduct people in foreign countries). The abductees were interned in North Korea until quite recentltly.

[SecondStorm]

BS are you defending Kim Jong Nutcase?

I dont think you are by what you are saying here but Crackpot apparently thinks you do. Somehow.

[Nathan F]

BS are you defending Kim Jong Nutcase?

I dont think you are by what you are saying here but Crackpot apparently thinks you do. Somehow.

Yes, BS is defending Kim Dong Small. BS is a moron, too, in case you haven't noticed.

[BoredShirtless]

BS are you defending Kim Jong Nutcase?

No. All I'm saying is N. Korea wouldn't preemptively use its nukes.

I dont think you are by what you are saying here but Crackpot apparently thinks you do. Somehow.

He probably thinks Kim Dong has a finger hovering over the Nuke button. Crackpot is crackers, too much Hollywood.