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Darth_Zod wrote: it was never stated the former pilot died.
It never said he lived either. I figure "heart attack" can result in either life or death and its an assumption either way.

The "perform first aid" might be a red herring to make you think he did [survive]. That's what caught my attention. There is no need to mention the "first aid" in the question as it doesn't imply survival or death, it must be there as a trick.

I suppose it never said the co-pilot did anything special (it says the pilot used "great skill") either. How its worded most people are assuming the landing is deserving of a medal as well.


EDIT: added [survive]. I'm sorta assuming dying of natural causes would mean he's not a casualty. Since it doesn't necessarily say the heart attack was the result of the situation.
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Executor32 wrote:
If you're traveling at the speed of light across the Pacific Ocean on a Jet-Ski and you run out of gas, how many pancakes does it take to cover a doghouse?

If anyone can provide the correct answer to this, I will be pleasantly surprised. Either that, or I'll become very paranoid. :shock:
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Zoink wrote:
Darth_Zod wrote: it was never stated the former pilot died.
It never said he lived either. I figure "heart attack" can result in either life or death and its an assumption either way.

The "perform first aid" might be a red herring to make you think he did [survive]. That's what caught my attention. There is no need to mention the "first aid" in the question as it doesn't imply survival or death, it must be there as a trick.

I suppose it never said the co-pilot did anything special (it says the pilot used "great skill") either. How its worded most people are assuming the landing is deserving of a medal as well.


EDIT: added [survive]. I'm sorta assuming dying of natural causes would mean he's not a casualty. Since it doesn't necessarily say the heart attack was the result of the situation.
read it again: the co-pilot takes over and lands the craft safely with no casualties other then the pilot who survives to live many more years.

this suggests the original pilot was the only 'casualty', even though he survives. which of course indicates the heart attack did not kill him, so in this context we can assume casualty to mean any form of injury or harm.

they also use co-pilot and pilot distinctly separately, which should indicate that the co-pilot is not considered a full pilot for the purpose of the question.
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Col. Crackpot wrote:ummm.. the mechanic gets the medal for putting extra engines on the 737. How can two left engines fail when a 737 has only one engine per wing?


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Executor32 wrote:If you're traveling at the speed of light across the Pacific Ocean on a Jet-Ski and you run out of gas, how many pancakes does it take to cover a doghouse?
None, because jet skis can't travel at the speed of light.

On another stupid note...

If you are riding down a hill and your pedal falls off, how many frogs are in your ice cream?

If you can answer this, you probably had the same 7th grade math textbook that I did.
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My scenario:
the co-pilot takes over
The pilot is having a heart attack and receiving first aid, the co-pilot takes over. Before landing the pilot dies. The co-pilot is now the "pilot" because a single person flying a plane is the "pilot". A co-pilot flying by himself is no longer a co-pilot. A co-pilot is a fully trained pilot, co-pilot is just his status on that plane (dict: "The second or relief pilot of an aircraft", which he can't be if there is only one pilot ).

and lands the craft safely with no casualties other then the pilot who survives to live many more years
The pilot (former co-pilot) injures himself during the landing, becoming the casualty.

so in this context we can assume casualty to mean any form of injury or harm.
A casualty has to get harm/death from the incident.
(dictionary: "One that is harmed or eliminated as a result of an action or a circumstance"; "One injured or killed in an accident")

Someone dying of natural causes unrelated to the incident isn't a casualty. In this case it doesn't say the heart attack is caused by stress/injury, so its an assumption either way, I'm assuming its not related.
the co-pilot is not considered a full pilot for the purpose of the question.
But a co-pilot is a fully trained pilot by definition. He's only the co-pilot while someone else is in charge of the aircraft.


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There are different scenarios: The original pilot gets the medal for using great skill to bring the aircraft down to the airport, the co-pilot gets nothing. But that's counter-intuitive (besides being the most obvious) to the fact that neither pilot single-handedly saved the plane, it required the effort of both pilots, which implies both are deserving of merit, IMHO.

In my scenario, the biggest problem is assuming the pilot isn't the casualty even though he's dead, since it would be difficult to show that the heart attack was completely unrelated to the stress of the situation.
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Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:ummm.. the mechanic gets the medal for putting extra engines on the 737. How can two left engines fail when a 737 has only one engine per wing?
CORRECT!!!

Actually he'd probably be in jail for illegally installing extra engines on a commerical aircraft (an uncertified modification), which also could have been the cause of the engine failures ;)
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Zoink wrote:
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:ummm.. the mechanic gets the medal for putting extra engines on the 737. How can two left engines fail when a 737 has only one engine per wing?
CORRECT!!!

Actually he'd probably be in jail for illegally installing extra engines on a commerical aircraft (an uncertified modification), which also could have been the cause of the engine failures ;)
the extra thrust would have done so much structural damage to the plane that it would have never gotten very far anyway.
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Zoink wrote:But a co-pilot is a fully trained pilot by definition. He's only the co-pilot while someone else is in charge of the aircraft.
yesss. . .but if this were the case why would they distinctly refer to the pilot and co-pilot as being distinctly separate after the first pilot had a heart attack?
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Darth_Zod wrote:
Zoink wrote:But a co-pilot is a fully trained pilot by definition. He's only the co-pilot while someone else is in charge of the aircraft.
yesss. . .but if this were the case why would they distinctly refer to the pilot and co-pilot as being distinctly separate after the first pilot had a heart attack?
To confuse us, since the purpose of the question is to confuse and misdirect us? The monopoly question didn't say "replica car" , "toy car", or "game peice" either, even though the monopoly figure isn't really a "car". I was basing the "trick" in this case to be the changing state of the two people based on who was alive at any given point.

As I stated in my scenario: the co-pilot took over while the pilot was still alive and having a heart attack (he's still the co-pilot at that point). The original pilot was getting first aid, the co-pilot took over, the pilot dies making the co-pilot the new and only pilot, who lands the plane as "the pilot", who can also be the casualty and get the medal.

Which makes my answer: The original co-pilot gets the medal because the original pilot dies before landing. IMHO, it was the only situation I could think of (doesn't mean its the best/only one) where two people seemingly deserving of medals only get one, and can be made to fit the wording of the question.
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The flight attendant gets the medal. A flight attendant performing first aid on a heart attack victim in the midst of an emergency is further beyond the call of duty than a pilot recovering control of the plane that lost an engine, or a co-pilot landing that plane. Admittedly, what the pilot and co-pilot did was heroic, and they saved the lives of everyone aboard, but there is only one medal to be had, and in the absence of information about what the criteria for winning it, I would give it to the person who did the most remarkable thing.
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SylasGaunt wrote: The answer is purple, because ice cream has no bones.
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Executor32 wrote:
SylasGaunt wrote: The answer is purple, because ice cream has no bones.
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

I'm afraid now.

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