Bin Ladin claims Madrid bombings; offers truce to Europe

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-04-15 03:18am

But not to the US, sorry guys (I was being facetious there). The BBC Reports;

The BBC wrote:'Bin Laden' offers Europe truce
An Arab television network has aired an audiotape said to be from Osama Bin Laden in which he offers Europe a truce if it "stops attacking Muslims".

However in the tape, aired by the al-Arabiya satellite channel on Thursday, the voice said the truce would not be extended to the US, Reuters reported.

The person on the tape also vowed to avenge Israel's killing of Hamas' spiritual leader Ahmed Sheikh Yassin.

The authenticity of the tape could not be immediately verified.

The tape also refers to the 11 March bombings in Madrid, Spain and the events of 11 September 2001.

It said the attacks were payment for US and Spanish actions in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Palestinian territories.

"What happened on September 11 and March 11 are your goods returned to you, so that you know security is a necessity for all," the voice said.

Earlier tapes

The tape also reportedly criticises US policy for ignoring the "real problem" which is "the occupation of all of Palestine", the Associated Press reported.

And it condemns the recent US-led conflict in Iraq as a money-making scheme for companies making weapons or aiding reconstruction efforts - specifically naming the American firm Halliburton, AP said.

Several tapes purporting to be by Osama Bin Laden have surfaced since the 11 September attacks - which the US has blamed on his al-Qaeda network.

The most recent, broadcast in January by the Arab satellite television channel al-Jazeera, condemned the occupation in Iraq and attacked Arab nations which supported the war.

The US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) later said that analysis indicated the voice on the January tape was that of Osama Bin Laden.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2004-04-15 03:39am

Well, here's something. Bin Laden never talked about the occupation of "Palestine", only about American Soldiers on the land of Meccah and Medina. Why has he switched? Or is it someone else?

Shadow WarChief · Post by **Shadow WarChief** » 2004-04-15 03:51am

Simply to get the whole of the Middle East to support him. Support creating a Palestinian state, and people will do all kinds of things for you.

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » 2004-04-15 04:34am

This is good, people who are winning don't offer truces...

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-04-15 04:37am

Bin Laden is the biggest embarrasment to Islam since the Karbala incident. I wish he is captured and brought to justice.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2004-04-15 06:02am

evilcat4000 wrote:Bin Laden is the biggest embarrasment to Islam since the Karbala incident. I wish he is captured and brought to justice.

Expect then a vast swarms of terrorist hostage takings with demands for his release. Its better that he dies, the terrorists already have plenty of martyrs and one more isn't going to make any difference.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-04-15 07:07am

Hitler signed a non agression pact with Russia. It was about as legitimate as this.

KrauserKrauser · Post by **KrauserKrauser** » 2004-04-15 10:28am

Crackpot, you took the words right out of my mouth.

Europe would have to be crazy to accept anything like this.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2004-04-15 11:11am

I'm jumping on the Conservative Me-Too Train. Europe best be wary, I'd trust bin Laden about as well as...well, there is no analogy, I wouldn't trust him to hold it up at all, especially after he saw how easy it was to get Spain to cave in.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2004-04-15 12:17pm

And what makes you so sure that this isn't a legitimate offer? He has no reason to have a grudge against Europe, and the comparision of Hitler to Russia is completely false- unlike Hitler he has no chance to attack and steal huge swaths of territory from his non-agression pact partner. I'm inclined to think that if he's making this offer he genuinely means it.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-15 12:21pm

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:And what makes you so sure that this isn't a legitimate offer? He has no reason to have a grudge against Europe, and the comparision of Hitler to Russia is completely false- unlike Hitler he has no chance to attack and steal huge swaths of territory from his non-agression pact partner. I'm inclined to think that if he's making this offer he genuinely means it.

Try the Crusades. Many, many Islamic fundamentalists still hold that against Europe. I don't recall whether he's among them or not or if we know either way.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2004-04-15 12:42pm

Also, they want Spain back.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-04-15 12:48pm

OHH Please. He offers the EU a truce after slaughtering 200 of it citizens. So the EU, a democratic body that honors the rule of law, honors the truce. So does Bin Laden, until it's no longer convienient.... and he strikes again. How many times throughout history has that old trick been used?

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-04-15 01:11pm

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:And what makes you so sure that this isn't a legitimate offer? He has no reason to have a grudge against Europe, and the comparision of Hitler to Russia is completely false- unlike Hitler he has no chance to attack and steal huge swaths of territory from his non-agression pact partner. I'm inclined to think that if he's making this offer he genuinely means it.

Um, how about the massive amounts of US interests there. Even if he gives Europe as a whole a pass its still a target rich enviroment of US interests that covievably durring a 'truce' would become easy targets.

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2004-04-15 01:28pm

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:And what makes you so sure that this isn't a legitimate offer?

The fact that I believe one of his gials is an Islamic superstate, including Spain and other EU countries?

Its a trick. It'll cause problems for governements when they reject it, as the more idiotic of the anti-war crowd will denounce them for it. Plus the fact that its not open to the US reinforces the idea that some have that he's not interested in the EU.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-04-15 01:37pm

this sounds alot like Hitler's strategy for WWII. Conquer a bit of territory, declare a truce. conquer some more, declare a truce plant falsified reasons for doing so, repeat as needed.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-04-15 01:38pm

Darth_Zod wrote:this sounds alot like Hitler's strategy for WWII. Conquer a bit of territory, declare a truce. conquer some more, declare a truce plant falsified reasons for doing so, repeat as needed.

the sad thing is, morons still fall for it.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2004-04-15 02:00pm

And what exactly has Bin Laden conquered? These are horrible analogies, Bin Laden hasn't conquered anything; and no one has yet listed a realistic reason why Bin Laden would break the truce if one was agreed to. Allusions to him using this truce as a step towards the conquest of Europe is, at best, irrational fearmongering; espically in light of the fact that the Muslim nations of the Mid-East have, when combined, a GDP less then that of Spain.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2004-04-15 02:04pm

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:And what exactly has Bin Laden conquered? These are horrible analogies, Bin Laden hasn't conquered anything; and no one has yet listed a realistic reason why Bin Laden would break the truce if one was agreed to. Allusions to him using this truce as a step towards the conquest of Europe is, at best, irrational fearmongering; espically in light of the fact that the Muslim nations of the Mid-East have, when combined, a GDP less then that of Spain.

Want to know his reason? Because you're not his certain sect of islam and are an open society. Enough said.

What did those Buddah's in Afghanistan do? What did those people in Madrid do wrong? What did the people on those 2 airplanes 2 years ago do bad other than being non-Wahabbi?

Get your head out of your arse, blkbrry, you know good and well that bin Laden is an irrational killer.

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2004-04-15 02:13pm

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote: and no one has yet listed a realistic reason why Bin Laden would break the truce if one was agreed to.

We're infidels.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-04-15 02:21pm

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote: and no one has yet listed a realistic reason why Bin Laden would break the truce if one was agreed to.

So, you're saying that the various US interests in Europe are not a realistic reason?

Allusions to him using this truce as a step towards the conquest of Europe is, at best, irrational fearmongering; espically in light of the fact that the Muslim nations of the Mid-East have, when combined, a GDP less then that of Spain.

But the massive imigrant population of Europe happens to be part of a large GDP. But I really don't see how thats an issue due to he personally doesn't have to worry about $. What he wants is power.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-04-15 02:22pm

the EU has quickly rejected the idea.

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General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-04-15 02:22pm

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:And what exactly has Bin Laden conquered? These are horrible analogies, Bin Laden hasn't conquered anything; and no one has yet listed a realistic reason why Bin Laden would break the truce if one was agreed to. Allusions to him using this truce as a step towards the conquest of Europe is, at best, irrational fearmongering; espically in light of the fact that the Muslim nations of the Mid-East have, when combined, a GDP less then that of Spain.

Replace 'conquer' with 'terrorize' when used to my post describing his tacti cs it seems to be a very similar method, even if he hasn't actually tried conquering anything yet.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-15 02:25pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:the EU has quickly rejected the idea.

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Link doesn't work.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2004-04-15 02:26pm

Want to know his reason? Because you're not his certain sect of islam and are an open society.

Right... thats why he targeted a nation (and its ally) that haven't been ruthlessly meddling in the middle east of the last 5 decades... oh wait....

What did those Buddah's in Afghanistan do?

Well, first off that was the Taliban, and not Bin Laden. Secondly, I'm not denying that Islam is intolerant of religions that are not "of the book".

What did those people in Madrid do wrong? What did the people on those 2 airplanes 2 years ago do bad other than being non-Wahabbi?

They had the misfortune of living in a country that is "meddling" in the Mid-East. Sorry to dispel your illusion, but civilians have been considered fair bait in war since at least World War II and many times they end up getting the shitty end of the stick- as the citizens and refugees of Dresden can attest. Call them terrorists if you will, but from their perspective they're fighting a war in the only way they can and they consider their methods are perfectly legitmate given the descrepincy of power between the Islam and the US.

Get your head out of your arse, blkbrry, you know good and well that bin Laden is an irrational killer.

I'm not denying that his religous beliefs are irrational (as all religious beliefs are), nor that he is a murderer. I'm simply asking why he would violate a truce with Europe when having it would be so benefical to his cause; not only would it take a huge chuck of Bush's "colition" but it would also make Bush (and by extension the US) appear that much more aggressive and Imperialistic. That he is irrational in regards to religious belief does not mean that he is irrational in every respect, espically when it comes to achieving his goals. I state again, why would Bin Laden violate this truce when he has so much to gain from it?